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  • Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
    There was Legal forgiveness of the sins of the elect before the world began because of the Everlasting Covenant of Grace, when Christ was established as the Surety of the Elect or of the Sheep, and therefore no sin of theirs could be legally imputed to their Charge, but unto the charge of their Surety, so the Elect were forgiven of all Trespasses, before they actually Trespassed in Adam! When they Trespaased in Adam, God could not legally charge them with sin. David understood this Transaction and wrote Ps 32:1-2

    Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is cover
    Wow! By what you are saying, the "elect" must have already tasted of the heavenly gift and partaken of the Holy Spirit before ever being born?
    "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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    • Originally posted by Cross Reference View Post
      Wow! By what you are saying, the "elect" must have already tasted of the heavenly gift and partaken of the Holy Spirit before ever being born?
      No, but it is inevitable that they shall !
      "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
      preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
      called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
      a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

      Charles Spurgeon !

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      • Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
        No, but it is inevitable that they shall !
        O-Ok. Then this scripture must be for them:

        "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." Hebrews 6:4-6 (KJV)

        I mean, the possibility must be there, right?
        "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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        • Originally posted by Cross Reference View Post
          O-Ok. Then this scripture must be for them:

          "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." Hebrews 6:4-6 (KJV)

          I mean, the possibility must be there, right?
          No that scripture does not describe the elect of God, not the God i serve ! Maybe for the god you serve, which is a idol !
          "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
          preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
          called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
          a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

          Charles Spurgeon !

          Comment


          • By whom we received the Atonement !

            Rom 5:11

            11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom[Christ] we have now received the atonement.

            By whom we have now received the atonement or the reconciliation. What Paul means here is that all for whom Christ died, by Him also, they receive all the benefits of His Death, as God said in Rom 8:32

            32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give[Bestow upon] us all things?

            The word give here is the greek word charizomai and means:

            to do something pleasant or agreeable (to one), to do a favour to, gratify

            a) to show one's self gracious, kind, benevolent

            b) to grant forgiveness, to pardon

            c) to give graciously, give freely, bestow

            1) to forgive

            2) graciously to restore one to another

            3) to preserve for one a person in peril

            With Christ God gives forgiveness Eph 1:7, He gives restoration !

            By Him, they receive experimental Saving or Salvation by New Birth. This receiving of the atonement or reconciliation is the fulfillment of the promise in vs 10 Rom 5:10

            10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

            Yes, the receiving of the atonement experimentally is being saved by His Life and it brings about their experimental salvation, the application of it is by Him. All this is another way of saying being born again or from above, which is through the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead 1 Pet 1:3

            3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

            Peter here uses the same preposition dia here for by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, as Paul uses in Rom 5:11 " by whom we have received the Atonement !

            Folks as risen Saviour of the Church, Christ applies the Atonement that He achieved for each one He died for and rose again as their Saviour ! Not one for whom He died shall be Lost !
            "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
            preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
            called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
            a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

            Charles Spurgeon !

            Comment


            • By the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead !

              1 Pet 1:2-3

              2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

              3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

              Here we have by Divine inspiration that the resurrection of Christ, by way of His Redeeming Death, is being viewed as the meritorious cause of the New Birth performed by the Spirit of the Covenant, so it is feasible to call the Second Man Adam, who is Christ an Quickening Spirit 1 Cor 15:45

              45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

              That word quickening is the greek word zōopoieō and means:


              to produce alive, begat or bear living young

              2) to cause to live, make alive, give life

              a) by spiritual power to arouse and invigorate

              b) to restore to life
              to give increase of life: thus of physical life

              d) of the spirit, quickening as respects the spirit, endued with new and greater powers of life

              3) metaph., of seeds quickened into life, i.e. germinating, springing up, growing





              As the Risen Adam, having paid for the sins of all for whom He died, for all whom sins had been laid to His Charge Rom 4:25, and now having satisfied God's Law and Justice in their behalf, they have the right to live Spiritually before God, so He causes them to Live, He gives them Spiritual Life.

              He does this for His Seed Isa 53:10

              10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

              This is why as the Risen Lord He is a Life Giving Spirit, to give Spiritual Life to all for whom He died. Thats why He said of His Sheep Jn 10:10

              The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

              Life here is Spiritual Life, which His Death for them shall merit ! And so by His Resurrection He lives and shall save them by His Life Rom 5:10

              10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

              Thats what Paul means, shall be saved by His Life that of 1 Cor 15:45

              45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

              Christ must make Alive Spiritually, all for whom He died and rose again ! And He does by His Resurrection 1 Pet 1:3

              3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

              This being begotten again means:

              to produce again, be born again, born anew

              2) metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God
              "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
              preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
              called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
              a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

              Charles Spurgeon !

              Comment


              • Makes us alive through Jesus Christ !

                Rom 6:11

                Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

                The Primary Accomplishment or Effect of the Death of Christ for all those He died for, is that He makes them Alive unto God. That's what Paul taught here and what Peter taught 1 Pet 1:3. Now the word through here is the prep en which is :

                A primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively), i.e. a relation of rest (intermediate between εἰς (G1519) and ἐκ (G1537))

                All for whom Christ were in Him Legally when He died and when He was made Alive from the Dead, so much so, we are are said to have be quickened together with Him when He was made alive from the grave Eph 2:5-6

                5 Even when we were dead[experimentally] in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

                This quickened together is the greek word syzōopoieō and means:


                to make one alive together

                a) of Christians, with Christ


                Now this was True because we were in Him, Legally and representatively.

                So Paul says reckon yourselves alive unto God through, or in Christ Jesus. Also the word in means instrument of means, we are made alive experimentally through Christ as the means !

                Now Peter speaks to that in 1 Pet 1:3

                3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

                This being begotten again is by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, now remember Paul taught in Eph 2:6 that we were made alive together with Christ, that also speaks to the resurrection of Christ, that all for whom He died were in Him Legally and representatively ! Now the evidence of that, is that all who were in Him Legally when He rose, shall be experimentally begotten again. The words begotten again is the greek word anagennaō and means:


                to produce again, be born again, born anew

                2) metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God

                This New Life we shall begin to live for God is what Paul means when He says reckon yourselves alive to God through Jesus Christ !

                Yes, Christ's Death accomplished this New Life to God for everyone He died for, no exceptions. Now all those who are lost in their sins , means that Christ did not die for them !
                "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                Charles Spurgeon !

                Comment


                • Draws All Men unto Him !

                  Jn 12:32

                  32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

                  An effect or accomplishment of Christ's Death is that all for whom He died shall be saved by Him, shall believe in Him !

                  All the men that come to Him, just as it is written before in Jn 6:44

                  44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

                  Which drawing results in their coming to Him as in Matt 11:28 and Jn 12:32, and so all who come, and the promise to such who do, is that Christ shall raise him up in the last day. Now what does Christ mean that , He shall raise them up at the last ? I believe He is speaking about for them the resurrection of the Just Acts 24:15. So now, if one forces Jn 12:32 to mean, that Christ died for all men without exception and He will draw them all unto Him, then the reasonable conclusion is that all men without exception that have died before the Second Coming shall be raised up in the resurrection of the Just, which means Universalism is True, and Eternal Punishment and Damnation is False, and neither is their a Resurrection of the Unjust which Paul did Teach !
                  "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                  preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                  called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                  a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                  Charles Spurgeon !

                  Comment


                  • It is quite apparent that God's People, those whom Christ died for and accomplished for them the forgiveness of their sins Matt 26:28

                    28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission or forgiveness of sins.

                    And hence God shall remember their iniquties [in a way of Justice] no more Heb 8:12

                    12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

                    It is clear that they are not the same people whom shall remain in Mystery Babylon, the false religions of the world, whom God hath remembered [in judgment and justice] and condemnation their iniquties per Rev 18:4-5

                    4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

                    5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

                    All such people Christ did not die for them for the remission of their sins !
                    Last edited by beloved57; February 4th, 2013, 10:19 AM.
                    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                    Charles Spurgeon !

                    Comment


                    • The Purifying effects of the Blood of Christ !

                      Many in false religion sing the song:

                      There is pow’r, pow’r, wonder-working pow’r
                      In the blood of the Lamb;
                      There is pow’r, pow’r, wonder-working pow’r
                      In the precious blood of the Lamb.
                      Yet they do this merely in a form of godliness, and they deny the actual Power therein 2 Tim 3:5

                      Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

                      Yes they deny the power of Christ's blood, and exalts mans freewill in its stead, since many as they tell it that Christ died for, shed His Blood for do not experience its powerful effects, because they reject it with their freewill ! However scripture is quite clear that the offering of Christ [His Blood] had a sanctifying and purifying effect for all He offered Himself in behalf of, just as it's type, the offerings of bulls and goats had an external effect as stated here Heb 9:13

                      For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

                      BUT the Sacrifice of Himself, the Antitype, His Blood effects inner purification Heb 9:14

                      14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?



                      Christ's Blood by means of the Eternal Spirit, does actually purify the conscience, which is a inner faculty of man, it has to do with the inner soul of a man, but which the animal sacrifices lacked ability to accomplish Heb 9:9

                      9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

                      Now all who sin the song, Power in the Blood, and yet deny its purifying effects, they testimony is that of 2 Tim 3:5, you actually deny the power thereof ! You have only a form of Godliness, an empty profession, for you deny the power of True Religion which is in Christ's Blood ! You deny a True accomplishment of the Atonement that is in Christ's Blood !
                      "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                      preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                      called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                      a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                      Charles Spurgeon !

                      Comment


                      • It begins a Purifying process !

                        Christ, His Blood, or His Offering begins for each person He died for a Purifying process which the Holy Spirit shall apply to them at an appointed hour in their life, which begins with their New Birth or what is called also the Sanctification of the Spirit 2 Thess 2:13

                        13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

                        So we have the writer of Hebrews writing these Heb 10:10;14-18

                        10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

                        14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

                        15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

                        16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

                        17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

                        18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

                        In other words, those who were being sanctified experientially , was the effect of the one Offering of Christ that Perfected them forever !

                        Those who are made perfect legally by the Offering of Christ, are those who have the Gospel and its Spiritual Message Communicated to them 1 Cor 2:6-7

                        6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

                        7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

                        The Perfect are those who can understand the Wisdom and Mystery of the Gospel they spoke among them ! For the Gospel is a Mystery Eph 6:19-20

                        And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

                        20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
                        "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                        preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                        called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                        a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                        Charles Spurgeon !

                        Comment


                        • Shall die to sin and shall live unto God !

                          One of the sure results of the purpose of Christ's Death for all for whom He died is this 1 Pet 2:24

                          24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

                          It is then, we know that Christ's stripes alone healed us spiritually !

                          Now who are the subjects of this great healing spiritually of Christ's stripes or His Death ? None but the Elect of God as Per 1 Pet 1:2

                          2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

                          Which are those who have been begotten again by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead 1 Pet 1:3

                          3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

                          This begetting again produced a New Life unto God, for the greek word here for begotten again is anagennaō and means:


                          to produce again, be born again, born anew

                          2) metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God

                          Now you see how one for whom Christ dies, how that results in a Life that lives unto God !

                          Now if this is not the effect produced for each and everyone Christ died for 1 Pet 2:24, then His Death for them failed God's Purpose !
                          "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                          preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                          called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                          a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                          Charles Spurgeon !

                          Comment


                          • The atonement was his greatest example.

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                            • Col 1:22 To present Holy and Unblamable !

                              Col 1:21-22

                              21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

                              22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

                              Another intended purpose for the death of Christ and accomplishment, for all that He died, is to present them Holy, unblameable and unreproveable in His Sight !

                              Notice it was to present #1 Unblameable ἄμωμος =

                              without blemish

                              a) as a sacrifice without spot or blemish

                              2) morally: without blemish, faultless, unblameable

                              But thats not all, its to present # 2 unreproveable anegklētos =

                              that cannot be called into to account, unreproveable, unaccused, blameless

                              Its the meaning that Paul has in mind here Rom 8:33

                              33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

                              Its the same word. You see God never laid any charge to the account of His Elect !

                              And Holy !

                              But all this is in His Sight, though it may not be True to experience here in the flesh, nevertheless for Him to see His People like that in His Sight is because of the Imputed Righteousness of Christ laid to their account.

                              Now if this does not occur for each one He reconciled to God by the Death of His Son Rom 5:10;Col 1:21, then His Death failed God's intended purpose !
                              Last edited by beloved57; February 12th, 2013, 07:14 AM.
                              "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                              preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                              called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                              a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                              Charles Spurgeon !

                              Comment


                              • Christ finished the Work God gave Him to do !

                                Jn 17:1-4

                                These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

                                2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

                                3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

                                4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

                                Christ came to do a work for His Father, and it is a work that He He would be rewarded for Heb 12:2

                                2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

                                His Reward was that Joy set before Him ! The phrase set before Him is the greek prokeimai which means :


                                to lie or be placed before (a person or a thing) or in front of

                                2) to set before

                                a) to be placed before the eyes, to lie in sight

                                1) to stand forth

                                b) to be appointed, destined

                                c) to be there, be present, be at hand

                                Its an appointed Joy. Remember Jesus said this Lk 22:29

                                And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;


                                This Kingdom is the Joy of the Lord Matt 25:21

                                His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

                                Also the Joy that is His Reward, is the Repentance of each of His Lost Sheep, the Sheep He seeks and finds and saved Lk 15:1-7

                                Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.

                                2 And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.

                                3 And he spake this parable unto them, saying,

                                4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

                                5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.

                                6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

                                7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

                                Thats Jesus Reward, for the sinner that repents is evidence of the success of His Work and the Reward of His Work. The Repenting sinners are the rewards that the Father Promised to the Son for the accomplishment of His Work Ps 2:8

                                Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

                                The word give here also means appoint as here Ezk 45:6

                                6 And ye shall [B]appoint the possession of the city [/B]five thousand broad, and five and twenty thousand long, over against the oblation of the holy portion: it shall be for the whole house of Israel.

                                Ps 2:8 is the Promised Kingdom appointed of Lk 22:29 and sinners brought into this Kingdom by the Work of Christ are Christ's Reward, His Joy set before Him. This is because He finished the Work the Father gave Him to do !
                                "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                                preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                                called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                                a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                                Charles Spurgeon !

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