drbrumley
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Kindly show from your link that being high on drugs caused him to do this? I dont see it referenced anywhere. It does say he might have had psychosis, schizophrenia and other disorders that have gone untreated.
The Good that Child Protective Services Does
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Kindly show from your link that being high on drugs caused him to do this? I dont see it referenced anywhere. It does say he might have had psychosis, schizophrenia and other disorders that have gone untreated.
drbrumley
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Child Abuse by Government
By Steven Greenhut
February 20, 2008
What kind of society rips a 17-year-old autistic boy from his loving home and places him in a state-run mental institution, where he is given heavy doses of drugs, kept physically restrained, kept away from his family, deprived of books and other mental stimulation and is left alone to rot?`
Certainly not a free or humane one.
Yet that’s exactly what has happened to Nate Tseglin, after a teacher called Child Protective Services, the county agency charged with protecting children from many forms of abuse and given power to remove children from their family homes in certain circumstances. The teacher reported seeing self-inflicted scratches on Nate’s body and complained about the doctor-approved arm restraints his parents used to keep Nate from hurting himself. Nate remains in Fairview Developmental Center (formerly Fairview State Hospital) in Costa Mesa, labeled a danger to himself and others, while his parents fight a lonely battle to bring their son back home.
Isn’t there anyone out there who can help them?
After the complaint, social workers intervened and decided that the judgment of a psychologist who examined Nate’s records but never even met the boy trumped a lifetime of treatment and experiences by his parents, Ilya and Riva Tseglin. Without prior notice, "the San Diego Health and Human Services agency social worker, with the aid of law enforcement, forcibly removed a struggling and terrified autistic boy … from his home, while his mother and father, who are Russian Jewish immigrants, and Nate’s younger brother stood by helplessly," according to the complaint the parents, who have since moved to Irvine to be near Nate, filed with the court.
The forced removal came after the Tseglins came to loggerheads with the government over Nate’s proper treatment. The parents are opposed to the use of psychotropic drugs and argue that Nate has had strong negative reactions to them. They point to success they’ve had with an alternative, holistic approach that focuses on diet and psychiatric counseling. The government disagreed, so it took the boy away from home and initially placed him in a group home — where he had the same negative reaction to the drugs that his parents predicted would happen.
Of course, once social workers are involved in a family, they are reluctant to relinquish their power — something I’ve found in every Child Protective Services case I’ve written about. And even though the court determined "the evidence is clear that the parents have always stood by and tried to help their son," the court sided with the government. That’s another common theme from these closed family-court proceedings — the social workers’ words are taken as gospel, and the parents are treated like enemies and given little chance to defend themselves.
The details are complicated and discouraging. But, essentially, the parents were cut out of any decision-making regarding their son. They were given only short visits with him. After he ran away from the group home, the government transferred Nate to a mental hospital. The Tseglins say the drugs the hospital gave Nate caused him to have a "grand mal" seizure, and his health has continued to deteriorate while he languishes in a government mental facility. When they visited him over the summer, they found his face swollen. He faded in and out of consciousness and was suffering from convulsions. They believe he has been beaten and are worried about sexual abuse, given that he is housed with the criminally insane.
The Tseglins claim Child Protective Services has told them they have the "wrong set of beliefs" and even threatened to force them to undergo court-ordered psychological evaluation. The agency at one point suspended the parents’ visitations as a way "to assist them in coming to grips regarding their son." The Tseglins, as former citizens of the Soviet Union, have good reason to be fearful of the authorities. But they tell me that they experienced nothing of this sort in the former communist nation. If their descriptions are correct, then the Soviets weren’t the only ones who know how to create a totalitarian bureaucracy.
The family’s legal argument is persuasive:
"Riva and her husband have cared for Nate, in their home, for his entire life, until he was dragged kicking and screaming away from his parents. … The court found that it was very impressive that the parents ‘were able to maintain Nate in the home for the better part of a decade when he was having some severe behavioral difficulties.’ … The court found further that when the parents put Nate on a ‘more holistic approach’ and ignored the professional opinions, that ‘for a period of time, Nate responded very well to that.’ Even though Nate subsequently deteriorated, the court found that he fared no differently using the more traditional medical approach.’ …
"In short, this case turns on value judgments, such as whether it is preferable for Nate to be maintained in his own home, subject to occasional physical restraint, surrounded by the love and devotion of his parents and brother, or whether Nate should be placed in a locked facility, subject to occasional physical restraint and constant chemical restraint, surrounded by strangers and a burden to the California taxpayer.
… The real issue in this case is that the agency and some medical personnel believe their opinions regarding Nate’s treatment are better than the parents’ choices, and have sought the judicial intervention to override the parents’ decisions regarding their son."
In a free society, individuals and families get to make those judgments and decisions. As the Tseglins argue, "Riva has a right to raise her child, Nate, free from government interference, as long as he is not at risk of physical, sexual or emotional abuse, neglect or exploitation."
Sure, the state can and does intervene when parents are accused of abusing or neglecting their children. There are many problems and injustices even in those cases, but at least it’s understandable when the government intervenes to protect a potentially threatened child. But in this case, the state is simply saying that it knows best, that no matter how diligently a boy’s parents have worked to provide the best-possible care for him, that officials get the final say. And the government’s choice of mandatory incarceration seems harsh and cruel, which shouldn’t surprise anyone, given the basic nature of government.
At last check, autism is not a crime. It’s time to free Nate Tseglin and return him to the love and care of his parents.
Hmmm... So in your eyes the corporate mockingbird media is truthful, trustworthy and would never mislead anyone.... Alex Jones gets more news stories right than CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNBC, NYT, Washington Post, USA Today, and the AP combined. Those so-called news orgs have been completely compromised for many decades by the financial elite. They are nothing but agents of disinformation for their masters.
Anyway, this is my last post to you until you answer my question in the post you responded to.
You know, in a debate you answer the questions asked you. That's your words coming back to haunt you.
You just love to bait your opponents into debating themselves while you sit back and laugh. In fact you're so good at it you might consder yourself a master baiter.
What is the CPS position on allowing LGBTQ couples to adopt?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Now that was funny as we all know CPS allows lgbtq couples to adopt. Oh, the good that CPS does. Right, acw?
Whose defending CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNBC, NYT, Washington Post, USA Today, and the AP? You forgot Fox.
Regarding Alex Jones: Would that be the same Alex Jones that said the mass murders at Sandy Hook Elementary School was a hoax set up by the US Government and is being sued by the parents of the murdered children?
But not your last post in the thread I see.
Again: If CPS is corrupt as the Alex Jones movement says it is, what's the alternative?
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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
CPS gets bad publicity in a lot of cases, usually by those who have a personal bone to pick with government agencies such as CPS.
Excellent question. As I've shown in my 5 part thread on the dire need to recriminalize homosexuality, homosexuals do disproportionately molest children, especially little boys, so it would be interesting to look into cases where CPS responded to child rape allegations against homosexual couples that had children in their custody.
I do recall the case of two lesbians here in WA State that murdered their 6 adopted children were being investigated for child abuse.
I'll do some more research on that and get back to you.
Thanks for bringing that up!
CPS gets bad publicity in a lot of cases, usually by those who have a personal bone to pick with government agencies such as CPS.
Excellent question. As I've shown in my 5 part thread on the dire need to recriminalize homosexuality, homosexuals do disproportionately molest children, especially little boys, so it would be interesting to look into cases where CPS responded to child rape allegations against homosexual couples that had children in their custody.
I do recall the case of two lesbians here in WA State that murdered their 6 adopted children were being investigated for child abuse.
I'll do some more research on that and get back to you.
Thanks for bringing that up!
The American Homeless Problem could be used by the Left - the Socialists, Transformational Marxists and Communists - as a means of placing more people under the influence of the Leftist Welfare System, and as a means of advancing the goals of the Left. Child Protective Services would be the local agency which is there to provide services to help the homeless. But many of the homeless become so downtrodden, smelly and obnoxious to the middle class "educated" Child Protective Services social workers, that fewer of them are actually helped by CPS
But it is not that the American Left has not understood and tried to make use of the welfare system to achieve some of the goals of the Left.
See: https://www.zerohedge.com/…/cloward-piven-strategy-being-us…
"In the mid-sixties at the height of the “social revolution” the line between democratic benevolence and outright communism became rather blurry. The Democratic Party, which controlled the presidency and both houses of Congress, was used as the springboard by social engineers to introduce a new era of welfare initiatives enacted in the name of “defending the poor”, also known as the “Great Society Programs”. These initiatives, however, were driven by far more subversive and extreme motivations, and have been expanded on by every presidency since, Republican and Democrat alike.
At Columbia University, sociologist professors Richard Cloward and Francis Fox Piven introduced a political strategy in 1966 in an article entitled 'The Weight Of The Poor: A Strategy To End Poverty'. This article outlined a plan that they believed would eventually lead to the total transmutation of America into a full-fledged centralized welfare state (in other words, a collectivist enclave). The spearpoint of the Cloward-Piven strategy involved nothing less than economic sabotage against the U.S.
Theoretically, according to the doctrine, a condition of overwhelming tension and strain could be engineered through the overloading of American welfare rolls, thereby smothering the entitlement program structure at the state and local level. The implosion of welfare benefits would facilitate a massive spike in poverty and desperation, creating a financial crisis that would lead to an even greater cycle of demand for a fully socialized system. This desperation would then “force” the federal government to concentrate all welfare programs under one roof, nationalize and enforce a socialist ideology, and ultimately, compact an immense level of power into the hands of a select few.
Cloward and Piven claimed that this could be accomplished at a grassroots level through community activism."
I would not be surprised if the Cloward-Piven Strategy for getting more people into the Welfare System to achieve Leftist goals is not taught in the university classes for the training of social workers.
"In the past decade alone, the number of people dependent on food stamps and EBT for their survival in the U.S. has doubled from 25 million people to nearly 50 million people. Those who receive some kind of payment from the government, including those on social security, disability, and veterans benefits, are approximately 100 million. Americans on social security do not consider themselves welfare recipients because they paid into the system, however, the point remains that if the federal money tap shuts down due to overwhelming participation, the checks will stop whether you paid into the system or not."
The statement above is from: https://www.zerohedge.com/…/cloward-piven-strategy-being-us…
But it is not that the American Left has not understood and tried to make use of the welfare system to achieve some of the goals of the Left.
See: https://www.zerohedge.com/…/cloward-piven-strategy-being-us…
"In the mid-sixties at the height of the “social revolution” the line between democratic benevolence and outright communism became rather blurry. The Democratic Party, which controlled the presidency and both houses of Congress, was used as the springboard by social engineers to introduce a new era of welfare initiatives enacted in the name of “defending the poor”, also known as the “Great Society Programs”. These initiatives, however, were driven by far more subversive and extreme motivations, and have been expanded on by every presidency since, Republican and Democrat alike.
At Columbia University, sociologist professors Richard Cloward and Francis Fox Piven introduced a political strategy in 1966 in an article entitled 'The Weight Of The Poor: A Strategy To End Poverty'. This article outlined a plan that they believed would eventually lead to the total transmutation of America into a full-fledged centralized welfare state (in other words, a collectivist enclave). The spearpoint of the Cloward-Piven strategy involved nothing less than economic sabotage against the U.S.
Theoretically, according to the doctrine, a condition of overwhelming tension and strain could be engineered through the overloading of American welfare rolls, thereby smothering the entitlement program structure at the state and local level. The implosion of welfare benefits would facilitate a massive spike in poverty and desperation, creating a financial crisis that would lead to an even greater cycle of demand for a fully socialized system. This desperation would then “force” the federal government to concentrate all welfare programs under one roof, nationalize and enforce a socialist ideology, and ultimately, compact an immense level of power into the hands of a select few.
Cloward and Piven claimed that this could be accomplished at a grassroots level through community activism."
I would not be surprised if the Cloward-Piven Strategy for getting more people into the Welfare System to achieve Leftist goals is not taught in the university classes for the training of social workers.
"In the past decade alone, the number of people dependent on food stamps and EBT for their survival in the U.S. has doubled from 25 million people to nearly 50 million people. Those who receive some kind of payment from the government, including those on social security, disability, and veterans benefits, are approximately 100 million. Americans on social security do not consider themselves welfare recipients because they paid into the system, however, the point remains that if the federal money tap shuts down due to overwhelming participation, the checks will stop whether you paid into the system or not."
The statement above is from: https://www.zerohedge.com/…/cloward-piven-strategy-being-us…
As shown in previous posts, the CPS is a State run agency that investigates cases of reported child abuse. While many of "the homeless" do have children who are put in harms way because of their parent(s) lifestyle, CPS is called to investigate those cases, not to supply them with a welfare check.
Regarding the rest of your post: The two links that you provided to the libertarian/alt-right leaning zerohedge group didn't connect, but if you would like to discuss why there are so many "homeless" out there, I'll gladly talk about the substance abuse problems that overwhelmingly afflict those that are called "homeless" and how contrary to what the libertarian movement says: Recreational drug use and alcoholism are not a "victimless crime".
genuineoriginal
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You are trolling.
Do your own research.
You can start here:
| Abuse in Foster Care: Research vs. the Child Welfare System’s Alternative Facts To help ensure that no one takes a close look at wrongful removal and how it endangers children, Rickman offers up her alternative facts. She didn’t make up the 99.7 percent figure out of whole cloth — not exactly. Rather these are the official results when DHS investigates allegations of abuse in foster care — in other words, when DHS investigates itself. Other states get similar results when their child welfare agencies investigate themselves — and their child welfare officials make similar claims. To see the extent to which DHS buries its head in the sand about abuse in foster and adoptive homes, consider the most recent case: There were 68 reports; an older sibling even posted video of the abuse on Facebook and gave it to authorities. But no one responded until the older sibling gave the videos to a newspaper. That might help explain the 99.7 percent figure. But compare those figures to studies done by independent researchers. In some cases, they went back and pored over case records. In other cases they really did ask former foster children what happened to them. Here’s what they found:
So is it any wonder that even Marcia Lowry, former executive director of the group that calls itself Children’s Rights and no friend of family preservation, says: “I’ve been doing this work for a long time and represented thousands and thousands of foster children, both in class-action lawsuits and individually, and I have almost never seen a child, boy or girl, who has been in foster care for any length of time who has not been sexually abused in some way, whether it is child-on-child or not.” This does not mean that all, or even many, foster parents are abusive. The majority do the best they can for the children in their care — like the overwhelming majority of parents, period. But the abusive minority is large enough to cause serious concern — or at least it should. When the Arizona Republic found that its own reporting was turning up far more abuse in foster care than the state was letting on, they took a closer look. They found: “Both in Arizona and nationally, there is a huge disconnect. In 2014, of 46 states that reported data to the federal Children’s Bureau, all claimed that fewer than 2 percent of children in foster care had been harmed in the prior year. Arizona said that barely a tenth of 1 percent of children in care were verifiably harmed. “But in surveys going back for decades, from 25 percent to as high as 40 percent of former foster children report having been abused or neglected in care.” |
genuineoriginal
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It won't do any good to rely upon the numbers CSP claims, since they always claim less than 2% of children in foster care are abused when it is really 33% or more children in foster care that are abused by foster care providers.
| Abuse in Foster Care: Research vs. the Child Welfare System’s Alternative Facts She didn’t make up the 99.7 percent figure out of whole cloth — not exactly. Rather these are the official results when DHS investigates allegations of abuse in foster care — in other words, when DHS investigates itself. Other states get similar results when their child welfare agencies investigate themselves — and their child welfare officials make similar claims. |
Thank you for showing that there is a problem with children being taken from an already physically and mentally abusive home environment and sometimes placed in the custody of people who do the same through the foster care programs. Again: I haven't seen any solutions to the problem by all that have posted in this thread. I say that society needs to squash out the libertarian thought process of being able to do with one's body as he or she pleases and embrace Christian values once again, thus building strong and healthy homes and once again making the traditional family the nucleus of society. |
genuineoriginal
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You seem to have misspelled "non" as "physically and mentally" somehow.
The problem is that children are being taken from non-abusive home environments on nothing more than an unsupported allegation and are being placed in the custody of people that abuse them under the cover of the foster care programs.
Since the problem is being caused by CPS taking children away from people based on nothing more than unsupported allegations, the solution is to use DUE PROCESS to determine the guilt of the parents BEFORE removing the children.
Also, there should be more effort taken in finding relatives of the parents and named god parents to take in the children if the parents are arrested than in putting the children in the care of strangers.
I have no problem with most of that, but your belief that taking children away from those same traditional families on the say-so of busybodies and gossips is more important than keeping the families together until due process has determined the innocence of the parents.
https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/is-the-cloward-piven-strategy-being-used-to-destroy-america
"Is The Cloward-Piven Strategy Being Used To Destroy America?"
"In 1966 Richard Cloward and Francis Fox Piven, Columbia university professors introduced a political strategy in in an article entitled ‘The Weight Of The Poor: A Strategy To End Poverty’.
The article outlined a strategy to overload the system and create so much poverty that the United States would become a social-welfare state with economic and political power concentrated at the top with far fewer freedoms than we enjoy today/
According to Brandon Smith, writing at Zero Hedge, the Cloward-Piven strategy involves nothing less than economic sabotage against the U.S."
"Theoretically, according to the doctrine, a condition of overwhelming tension and strain could be engineered through the overloading of American welfare rolls, thereby smothering the entitlement program structure at the state and local level. The implosion of welfare benefits would facilitate a massive spike in poverty and desperation, creating a financial crisis that would lead to an even greater cycle of demand for a fully socialized system. This desperation would then “force” the federal government to concentrate all welfare programs under one roof, nationalize and enforce a socialist ideology, and ultimately, compact an immense level of power into the hands of a select few.
Cloward and Piven claimed that this could be accomplished at a grassroots level through community activism"
"In the past decade alone, the number of people dependent on food stamps and EBT for their survival in the U.S. has doubled from 25 million people to nearly 50 million people. Those who receive some kind of payment from the government, including those on social security, disability, and veterans benefits, are approximately 100 million. Americans on social security do not consider themselves welfare recipients because they paid into the system, however, the point remains that if the federal money tap shuts down due to overwhelming participation, the checks will stop whether you paid into the system or not."
The same local agency - at the county level - in my state runs the Foster Care program and programs to assist adults whose income is below a poverty level, such as Food Stamps.
"Is The Cloward-Piven Strategy Being Used To Destroy America?"
"In 1966 Richard Cloward and Francis Fox Piven, Columbia university professors introduced a political strategy in in an article entitled ‘The Weight Of The Poor: A Strategy To End Poverty’.
The article outlined a strategy to overload the system and create so much poverty that the United States would become a social-welfare state with economic and political power concentrated at the top with far fewer freedoms than we enjoy today/
According to Brandon Smith, writing at Zero Hedge, the Cloward-Piven strategy involves nothing less than economic sabotage against the U.S."
"Theoretically, according to the doctrine, a condition of overwhelming tension and strain could be engineered through the overloading of American welfare rolls, thereby smothering the entitlement program structure at the state and local level. The implosion of welfare benefits would facilitate a massive spike in poverty and desperation, creating a financial crisis that would lead to an even greater cycle of demand for a fully socialized system. This desperation would then “force” the federal government to concentrate all welfare programs under one roof, nationalize and enforce a socialist ideology, and ultimately, compact an immense level of power into the hands of a select few.
Cloward and Piven claimed that this could be accomplished at a grassroots level through community activism"
"In the past decade alone, the number of people dependent on food stamps and EBT for their survival in the U.S. has doubled from 25 million people to nearly 50 million people. Those who receive some kind of payment from the government, including those on social security, disability, and veterans benefits, are approximately 100 million. Americans on social security do not consider themselves welfare recipients because they paid into the system, however, the point remains that if the federal money tap shuts down due to overwhelming participation, the checks will stop whether you paid into the system or not."
The same local agency - at the county level - in my state runs the Foster Care program and programs to assist adults whose income is below a poverty level, such as Food Stamps.
https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/is-the-cloward-piven-strategy-being-used-to-destroy-america
"Is The Cloward-Piven Strategy Being Used To Destroy America?"
"In 1966 Richard Cloward and Francis Fox Piven, Columbia university professors introduced a political strategy in in an article entitled ‘The Weight Of The Poor: A Strategy To End Poverty’.
The article outlined a strategy to overload the system and create so much poverty that the United States would become a social-welfare state with economic and political power concentrated at the top with far fewer freedoms than we enjoy today/
According to Brandon Smith, writing at Zero Hedge, the Cloward-Piven strategy involves nothing less than economic sabotage against the U.S."
"Theoretically, according to the doctrine, a condition of overwhelming tension and strain could be engineered through the overloading of American welfare rolls, thereby smothering the entitlement program structure at the state and local level. The implosion of welfare benefits would facilitate a massive spike in poverty and desperation, creating a financial crisis that would lead to an even greater cycle of demand for a fully socialized system. This desperation would then “force” the federal government to concentrate all welfare programs under one roof, nationalize and enforce a socialist ideology, and ultimately, compact an immense level of power into the hands of a select few.
Cloward and Piven claimed that this could be accomplished at a grassroots level through community activism"
"In the past decade alone, the number of people dependent on food stamps and EBT for their survival in the U.S. has doubled from 25 million people to nearly 50 million people. Those who receive some kind of payment from the government, including those on social security, disability, and veterans benefits, are approximately 100 million. Americans on social security do not consider themselves welfare recipients because they paid into the system, however, the point remains that if the federal money tap shuts down due to overwhelming participation, the checks will stop whether you paid into the system or not."
The same local agency - at the county level - in my state runs the Foster Care program and programs to assist adults whose income is below a poverty level, such as Food Stamps.
"Is The Cloward-Piven Strategy Being Used To Destroy America?"
"In 1966 Richard Cloward and Francis Fox Piven, Columbia university professors introduced a political strategy in in an article entitled ‘The Weight Of The Poor: A Strategy To End Poverty’.
The article outlined a strategy to overload the system and create so much poverty that the United States would become a social-welfare state with economic and political power concentrated at the top with far fewer freedoms than we enjoy today/
According to Brandon Smith, writing at Zero Hedge, the Cloward-Piven strategy involves nothing less than economic sabotage against the U.S."
"Theoretically, according to the doctrine, a condition of overwhelming tension and strain could be engineered through the overloading of American welfare rolls, thereby smothering the entitlement program structure at the state and local level. The implosion of welfare benefits would facilitate a massive spike in poverty and desperation, creating a financial crisis that would lead to an even greater cycle of demand for a fully socialized system. This desperation would then “force” the federal government to concentrate all welfare programs under one roof, nationalize and enforce a socialist ideology, and ultimately, compact an immense level of power into the hands of a select few.
Cloward and Piven claimed that this could be accomplished at a grassroots level through community activism"
"In the past decade alone, the number of people dependent on food stamps and EBT for their survival in the U.S. has doubled from 25 million people to nearly 50 million people. Those who receive some kind of payment from the government, including those on social security, disability, and veterans benefits, are approximately 100 million. Americans on social security do not consider themselves welfare recipients because they paid into the system, however, the point remains that if the federal money tap shuts down due to overwhelming participation, the checks will stop whether you paid into the system or not."
The same local agency - at the county level - in my state runs the Foster Care program and programs to assist adults whose income is below a poverty level, such as Food Stamps.
genuineoriginal
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And Obama was a well known "Community Activist"
| OBAMA, Barack Obama entered local politics through his work as a community activist in a blighted South Side Chicago neighborhood. |
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Thank you for showing that there is a problem with children being taken from an already physically and mentally abusive home environment and sometimes placed in the custody of people who do the same through the foster care programs.
Again, please supply documentation (police reports, etc.) on a case by case basis other than hearsay from various libertarian websites.
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Again: I haven't seen any solutions to the problem
Signs of physical abuse, testimonies of witnesses (family members, doctors, teachers, neighbors, etc) is pretty strong evidence.
As I'd shown in an earlier link to the WA State Child, Youth and Families website, due process is used.
https://www.dcyf.wa.gov/services/child-welfare-system/who-court
Now if you're saying that a child should be kept in the custody of his or her parent(s)/guardian until their court hearing in 3 or 4 weeks, that's putting the child in extreme danger by leaving them in the custody of abusive parent(s)/guardian.
Do you have documentation showing that the relatives of the abused child aren't looked at as temporary guardians? Also keep in mind that there very well could be a danger factor for the abused child if the relatives are not trustworthy and don't keep the child safe from the abusive parents.
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
I say that society needs to squash out the libertarian thought process of being able to do with one's body as he or she pleases and embrace Christian values once again, thus building strong and healthy homes and once again making the traditional family the nucleus of society.
With all of the cohabitation going on in the country (baby-daddies who aren't married to the mother of their child/ren and don't have any intention of marrying her, and thus flees the coup at the first sign of discord) the term "traditional family" isn't comprehended by most.
As far as busybodies and gossips being responsible for taking the child away from abusive parent(s) or guardian: Obviously you have no idea how thorough of an investigation CPS does before removing a child from a home.
Here's an example from the State of Michigan:
Children's Protective Services Investigation Process
Investigation
CPS has 30 days to complete an investigation unless extenuating circumstances require an extension. A CPS investigation must begin within 24 hours and usually includes:
Face-to-face interviews with the alleged child victim(s), the child's caretaker(s), the alleged perpetrator(s).
Viewing the family's home.
Reviewing any necessary documents, such as police reports, criminal history, medical reports, school reports, CPS case file, etc.
Interviewing neighbors, friends, relatives or professionals that have had contact with the family.
An assessment of the child's safety.
An assessment of the child's future risk of abuse and/or neglect.
An assessment of the family's needs and strengths.
CPS investigator considers the following factors during the investigation:
Are there alternative explanations to the allegations?
What are the family dynamics and family circumstances?
Who is making the complaint?
Is there corroborating evidence? (For example, witness statements, findings during a home visit, etc.)
Should there be a medical exam of the child?
Does the child have an injury? If so:
What is the explanation of the injury?
Is that explanation feasible?
Where is the injury located?
Is there more than one injury at different stages of healing?
What is the condition of the home? (For example, cleanliness, safety hazards, etc.)
What is the condition of the child? (For example, appropriately dressed, cleanliness, etc.)
Are the child's basic needs being met?
Is there adequate supervision?
Are the caretakers emotionally/mentally abusing the child?
Read more: https://www.michigan.gov/mdhhs/0,5885,7-339-73971_7119_50648_7194-159484--,00.html
Thank you for showing that there is a problem with children being taken from an already physically and mentally abusive home environment and sometimes placed in the custody of people who do the same through the foster care programs.
Again, please supply documentation (police reports, etc.) on a case by case basis other than hearsay from various libertarian websites.
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Again: I haven't seen any solutions to the problem
Signs of physical abuse, testimonies of witnesses (family members, doctors, teachers, neighbors, etc) is pretty strong evidence.
As I'd shown in an earlier link to the WA State Child, Youth and Families website, due process is used.
https://www.dcyf.wa.gov/services/child-welfare-system/who-court
Now if you're saying that a child should be kept in the custody of his or her parent(s)/guardian until their court hearing in 3 or 4 weeks, that's putting the child in extreme danger by leaving them in the custody of abusive parent(s)/guardian.
Do you have documentation showing that the relatives of the abused child aren't looked at as temporary guardians? Also keep in mind that there very well could be a danger factor for the abused child if the relatives are not trustworthy and don't keep the child safe from the abusive parents.
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
I say that society needs to squash out the libertarian thought process of being able to do with one's body as he or she pleases and embrace Christian values once again, thus building strong and healthy homes and once again making the traditional family the nucleus of society.
With all of the cohabitation going on in the country (baby-daddies who aren't married to the mother of their child/ren and don't have any intention of marrying her, and thus flees the coup at the first sign of discord) the term "traditional family" isn't comprehended by most.
As far as busybodies and gossips being responsible for taking the child away from abusive parent(s) or guardian: Obviously you have no idea how thorough of an investigation CPS does before removing a child from a home.
Here's an example from the State of Michigan:
Children's Protective Services Investigation Process
Investigation
CPS has 30 days to complete an investigation unless extenuating circumstances require an extension. A CPS investigation must begin within 24 hours and usually includes:
Face-to-face interviews with the alleged child victim(s), the child's caretaker(s), the alleged perpetrator(s).
Viewing the family's home.
Reviewing any necessary documents, such as police reports, criminal history, medical reports, school reports, CPS case file, etc.
Interviewing neighbors, friends, relatives or professionals that have had contact with the family.
An assessment of the child's safety.
An assessment of the child's future risk of abuse and/or neglect.
An assessment of the family's needs and strengths.
CPS investigator considers the following factors during the investigation:
Are there alternative explanations to the allegations?
What are the family dynamics and family circumstances?
Who is making the complaint?
Is there corroborating evidence? (For example, witness statements, findings during a home visit, etc.)
Should there be a medical exam of the child?
Does the child have an injury? If so:
What is the explanation of the injury?
Is that explanation feasible?
Where is the injury located?
Is there more than one injury at different stages of healing?
What is the condition of the home? (For example, cleanliness, safety hazards, etc.)
What is the condition of the child? (For example, appropriately dressed, cleanliness, etc.)
Are the child's basic needs being met?
Is there adequate supervision?
Are the caretakers emotionally/mentally abusing the child?
Read more: https://www.michigan.gov/mdhhs/0,5885,7-339-73971_7119_50648_7194-159484--,00.html
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