Socialism in action

[Gary K]

This video is a very interesting story of a woman who wanted to be a farmer since she was a little girl. It's her story of fighting back against an environmental group and corrupt county officials in an attempt to take her property, after she had spent years rebuilding it and investing in it. The story isn't her's alone though as other farmers around the country experience the same things.

This is the administrative state in action and the corruption that it engenders.

 

[The Horn]

Give me a break ! I oxen't know how true this story is, and it may be highly misleading . I don't know if she did nothing wrong . But to call this incident an example of "socialism " shows just how clueless the poster of this thread is about politics .
If anyone is likely to violate people's rights in America, it's Trump and the Repugnican party ( what it should be called . ) America isn't becoming 'socialist ". It's rapidly descending into fascist , theocratic tyranny under Trump the chump .

 

[The Horn]

Give me a break ! I don't know how true this story is, and it may be highly misleading . I don't know if she did nothing wrong . But to call this incident an example of "socialism " shows just how clueless the poster of this thread is about politics .
If anyone is likely to violate people's rights in America, it's Trump and the Repugnican party ( what it should be called . ) America isn't becoming 'socialist ". It's rapidly descending into fascist , theocratic tyranny under Trump the chump .

 

[ok doser]

:yawn:

 

[George Affleck]

Give me a break ! I oxen't know how true this story is, and it may be highly misleading . I don't know if she did nothing wrong . But to call this incident an example of "socialism " shows just how clueless the poster of this thread is about politics .
If anyone is likely to violate people's rights in America, it's Trump and the Repugnican party ( what it should be called . ) America isn't becoming 'socialist ". It's rapidly descending into fascist , theocratic tyranny under Trump the chump .

Wrong.

Fascism is on the political left. It is a specialized socialist ideology. Historically it was invented by American slave-owning democrats, adopted by Mussolini, and perfected by Hitler.

Trump is a true republican, is on the political right, and is trying to protect the U.S. from economic ruin and restore control of government to the people who are already citizens. Nationalists are patriots and support their country's founding principles.

You have fallen into the media's trap of branding all nationalists as fascists. Big mistake.
Nelson Mandela, Ghandi, Winston Churchill, and all the anti-colonial leaders who established the U.S. and fought for independence were fervent nationalists. But none of them were fascists; and neither is Trump. Nationalism is not the defining feature of fascism.

We would all like him to have polished edges and present himself as being more "presidential". But the American people recognized him as the only one, with all his faults, who can begin to reverse the power grab in politics.

Why do the socialist democrats want to use tax dollars to pay for college and medical expenses? So they can control more and more of your life. Pass a law that says you must pay more taxes, control less of your money, and have no choice in the matter. That is a fascist principle. Governments will always waste more on bureaucracy than the private sector makes in profit, so why would you want it?

The less decision making control an individual has, the more ripe the nation is for fascism, communism, dictatorship.

 

[ok doser]

Give me a break !

Give me a break !

From sanity?

From reality?

From your obsessive hatred of Donald trump?

 

[Gary K]

Wrong.

Fascism is on the political left. It is a specialized socialist ideology. Historically it was invented by American slave-owning democrats, adopted by Mussolini, and perfected by Hitler.

Trump is a true republican, is on the political right, and is trying to protect the U.S. from economic ruin and restore control of government to the people who are already citizens. Nationalists are patriots and support their country's founding principles.

You have fallen into the media's trap of branding all nationalists as fascists. Big mistake.
Nelson Mandela, Ghandi, Winston Churchill, and all the anti-colonial leaders who established the U.S. and fought for independence were fervent nationalists. But none of them were fascists; and neither is Trump. Nationalism is not the defining feature of fascism.

We would all like him to have polished edges and present himself as being more "presidential". But the American people recognized him as the only one, with all his faults, who can begin to reverse the power grab in politics.

Why do the socialist democrats want to use tax dollars to pay for college and medical expenses? So they can control more and more of your life. Pass a law that says you must pay more taxes, control less of your money, and have no choice in the matter. That is a fascist principle. Governments will always waste more on bureaucracy than the private sector makes in profit, so why would you want it?

The less decision making control an individual has, the more ripe the nation is for fascism, communism, dictatorship.

You hit the nail right on the head. Very accurate and informative post. :BRAVO::first:

 

[Supremum]

Fascism is on the political left.

It isn't. That's retarded. Is economics the only lens you view society through?

It is a specialized socialist ideology.

It isn't. That's retarded. It is a direct, explicit rejection of Marxist theory.

I like this gem, though:

Historically it was invented by American slave-owning democrats

the anti-colonial leaders who established the U.S. and fought for independence were fervent nationalists. But none of them were fascists

The hottest of hot rakes, right here.

Why do the socialist democrats want to use tax dollars to pay for college and medical expenses? So they can control more and more of your life.

This is true. Read Gramsci on the subject. Workers are too conservative in the U.S. for a real communist revolution, so he wanted to have a student's revolution instead.(I might be thinking of Marcuse).

Governments will always waste more on bureaucracy than the private sector makes in profit, so why would you want it?

What makes you think that in the long term greedy algorithms yield the best quality of life? Private companies and industry has a pretty bad track record, for example, with environmental impact. What's the difference between corporate power and governmental power, practically speaking?

 

[The Horn]

Fascism can be fascism of the right-wing or the left-wing kind . Hitler was a right-wing extremist fascist . Stalin,Lenin and Mao were left-wing fascists . Hitler was a right-wing fascist . Trump is a right-wing extremist fascist .
None of the Democrats is a fascist and none of them supports fascism . The Democrats are LIBERALS - the exact opposite of fascism . Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot et al were totalitarian dictators . Trump is a would be totalitarian dictator, but fortunately, our government is designed to PREVENT any president from being a dictator .
This is why Trump MUST be stopped at all costs . He must not be reelected next year . America cannot withstand a second Trump term .

 

[Stripe]

Horn thinks Hitler was right. lain:

 

[Right Divider]

... but fortunately, our government is designed to PREVENT any president from being a dictator .

That didn't work so well with dishonest Abe.

 

[Gary K]

That didn't work so well with dishonest Abe.

I do not understand where this criticism of Abraham Lincoln comes from. The following quote comes from Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution.

The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

Ummm. Was there a rebellion going on during Abraham Lincoln's presidency? Were there insurrectionists violating US law and killing people who disagreed with them?

 

[Supremum]

Fascism can be fascism of the right-wing or the left-wing kind

No. Fascism is fascism. Without getting to spergy about fascism vs Fascism, Fascism is a specific ideology with its own ideas on how to organize and maintain society. It isn't just a collection of stuff liberals and communists don't like.

Hitler was a right-wing extremist fascist.

National socialist, not Fascist.

Stalin,Lenin and Mao were left-wing fascists.

No, that's retarded, they were communists.

Hitler was a right-wing fascist

National socialist.

Trump is a right-wing extremist fascist.

No, he isn't. That's retarded.

None of the Democrats is a fascist and none of them supports fascism.

No one with a brain thinks they do. (Dinesh D'Souza thinks so, but he's a moron.)

The Democrats are LIBERALS - the exact opposite of fascism.

Wow, what, I love fascism now.

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot et al were totalitarian dictators.

They were all authoritarian, yes, but the national socialists were not totalitarian.

Trump is a would be totalitarian dictator,

(he isn't)

This is why Trump MUST be stopped at all costs. He must not be reelected next year . America cannot withstand a second Trump term .

What planet do you live on?

 

[Right Divider]

I do not understand where this criticism of Abraham Lincoln comes from. The following quote comes from Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution.

Ummm. Was there a rebellion going on during Abraham Lincoln's presidency? Were there insurrectionists violating US law and killing people who disagreed with them?

Lincoln incited war with the south by many of his illegal actions, including the blockading of southern ports.

Lincoln was aware that the blockading of ports was an act of war. In fact, since an act of war is, by implication, taken against another state, some in his cabinet argued that a blockade would constitute a tacit recognition of the sovereignty of the Confederacy, something the North wanted to avoid. Lincoln was less interested in the legal definitions than in the military utility of the plan, and he approved it despite the objections.

https://www.raabcollection.com/abraham-lincoln-autograph/north-and-south-declarations-war

Perhaps you don't remember when the United States of America declared their independence. But Lincoln told the southern states that they had no such right.

Lincoln was one of the worst dictators of all time and many, including Hitler, modeled much of their philosophy on his work.

 

[ok doser]

Horn thinks Hitler was right. lain:

So did Abraham Lincoln, apparently :idunno:

 

[Gary K]

Fascism can be fascism of the right-wing or the left-wing kind . Hitler was a right-wing extremist fascist . Stalin,Lenin and Mao were left-wing fascists . Hitler was a right-wing fascist . Trump is a right-wing extremist fascist .
None of the Democrats is a fascist and none of them supports fascism . The Democrats are LIBERALS - the exact opposite of fascism . Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot et al were totalitarian dictators . Trump is a would be totalitarian dictator, but fortunately, our government is designed to PREVENT any president from being a dictator .
This is why Trump MUST be stopped at all costs . He must not be reelected next year . America cannot withstand a second Trump term .

You have fallen for one the biggest con games in political history. The picture of government types doesn't go from one side of ideology to the other. It goes from total government at one extreme to anarchy as the other extreme. Liberty is found at the optimal point between no government and total government.

 

[ok doser]

What planet do you live on?

He's never recovered from Hillary's loss

 

[Gary K]

Lincoln incited war with the south by many of his illegal actions, including the blockading of southern ports.



https://www.raabcollection.com/abraham-lincoln-autograph/north-and-south-declarations-war

Perhaps you don't remember when the United States of America declared their independence. But Lincoln told the southern states that they had no such right.

Lincoln was one of the worst dictators of all time and many, including Hitler, modeled much of their philosophy on his work.

You have your dates more than slightly confused. The South had long since seceded from the Union before Lincoln declared any blockade. Seven states seceded in February 4 of 1861 and formed the government of the Confederacy. The South fired on Fort Sumter April 12, 1861 and had already demanded during December of 1860 that the US government relinquish it's own property, i.e. Fort Sumter and Fort Moultrie. Abraham Lincoln declared the blockade of Confederate ports on April 19, 1861.

What I've already demonstrated from the Constitution itself is that Lincoln acted within the rules of the Constitution when he later suspended habeus corpus. And if the writers and those who voted for accepting the Constitution had wanted to let any state leave at will they would never have written procedures into the Constitution that could be instigated during a rebellion. Your arguments are not logical nor precise given what the Constitution says about rebellion.

The other fallacy you state is that Hitler followed Lincoln's way of doing things. He, and his buddies, actually followed Woodrow Wilson's ideas of governing and his administration's usage of propaganda.

 

[Right Divider]

You have your dates more than slightly confused. The South had long since seceded from the Union before Lincoln declared any blockade.

So Lincoln blocked ports of a foreign nation, got it. And that never causes war.

 

[George Affleck]

Fascism can be fascism of the right-wing or the left-wing kind . Hitler was a right-wing extremist fascist . Stalin,Lenin and Mao were left-wing fascists . Hitler was a right-wing fascist . Trump is a right-wing extremist fascist .
None of the Democrats is a fascist and none of them supports fascism . The Democrats are LIBERALS - the exact opposite of fascism . Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot et al were totalitarian dictators . Trump is a would be totalitarian dictator, but fortunately, our government is designed to PREVENT any president from being a dictator .
This is why Trump MUST be stopped at all costs . He must not be reelected next year . America cannot withstand a second Trump term .

If you could name even one thing that Trump has done, or is trying to do, that resembles the actions of any fascist leader of the past, you might have a leg to stand on. As it is, you are just completely deceived by the junk you have been fed. There is no such thing as a right wing fascist. Fascism is socialism - that's why they called it the German Nationalist Socialist Party. Mussolini was a revolutionary socialist/communist who led the upstart National Fascist Party in Italy.

Ask yourself a question. If he is an extremist fascist, why would Donald Trump, who basically has everything, want to lead a country who's laws, by your own admission, are designed to keep any president from becoming a dictator? I guess you think that was a bit of an oversight on his part? Maybe he's sitting at home right now thinking; "Darn, I missed that part!! How could I be so stupid?"

If you really want to defeat Trump in 2020 you had better get your party to stop saying things that just don't compute with the average American citizen. Open borders, medicare for all, free university, fascism, racism will lose the election big time. But I guess that's what the Democrats are heading for.

Please note the following:

Prior to the Civil War there were 4 million slaves in America. They were all owned by Democrats.
As racism declined in the South, it became more and more Republican which it mostly is now.

Most people today believe that the civil rights movement in the 1960's was led by the Democrats and opposed by the Republicans. The opposite is actually true. More Republicans proportionally voted for all the civil rights laws than Democrats. The Civil Rights Act of 1964; the Voting Rights Act of 1965; and the fair housing bill of 1968 were all passed because the Republicans passed them through.

The new racial supremacy in America comes from the Democrats who do not want any and all minorities to have an equal chance; they want them to have a greater than equal chance. Why? Because (as the unstated meme says) they are too weak to make it any other way. They continue to find ways to insult minorities. There are many in those minorities who are waking up to this problem. The same is true of those at the southern border and the American native populations.

Do you really want equality for all or do you think that some are more deserving than others? The constitution that keeps any president from becoming a dictator is the very thing that Republicans are dedicated to protecting and Democrats are always attacking.