The natural condition of humans is to fear people who are recognizably different. When one grows up, one realizes that fear is irrational, and starts evaluating people on their merits instead of their differences.
If one grows up, that is.
Trump: Racist Firestorm
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The natural condition of humans is to fear people who are recognizably different. When one grows up, one realizes that fear is irrational, and starts evaluating people on their merits instead of their differences.
If one grows up, that is.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Donald should take it up with this lady:
Regarding racism: Should I mention that Donald Trump was endorsed by the official newspaper of the KKK, the leader of the American Nazi Party and the white supremacist Alt Right (and former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke)?
Evidently they liked what Donald Trump had to say.
Trump says a lot of things
What was it that he said - SPECIFICALLY - that you think they liked?
Shasta
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It is just as likely that a small child will play with children of other races completely oblivious to the differences. Having worked with children for many years in the past I have seen this more often than not. In fact, I would say that their prejudice is learned from their own parents as they learn to make distinctions. Appearances cause reactions only when they learn to attribute MEANING to certain stimuli. Your idea that people naturally discriminate but overcome their propensity to do so only when they develop and apply higher-order thinking skills does not necessarily follow.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
It follows if you understand barbie's intention in trolling this thread
Their endorsement for him doesn't imply his endorsement of them? -SPECIFICALLY- give us Trump quotes that illustrates the implication above to be false.
Shasta
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If a Marxist newspaper expressed support of Leftist Democrats would that make the Democrats into Marxists? This is not mere thought experiment. The Revolutionary Communist Party, USA has openly and demonstrably expressed their support of the Leftward policy shift in the Democrat party.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jun/19/communist-party-usa-praises-democrat-policy-shifts/
By your reasoning, the support of the Communist Party (asked for or not) makes the Democrat Party indistinguishable from the communist party.
This is simply the old fallacious "GUILT BY ASSOCIATION" argument. Such a fallacy occurs when someone connects an opponent to a demonized group of people or to a bad person in order to discredit his or her argument. The idea is that the person is “guilty” by simply being similar to this “bad” group and, therefore, should not be listened to about anything.
Let me note that the "similarity" may only be that one is on the "Left" side of the political spectrum and the other is on the "right" but this is another fallacy that of the False Dilemma. Also known as the all-or-nothing fallacy, false dichotomy*, the either-or fallacy, either-or reasoning, fallacy of false choice, fallacy of false alternatives, black-and-white thinking, the fallacy of exhaustive hypotheses, bifurcation, excluded middle, no middle ground, polarization)In fact there are a number of position of totalitarian globalism (Communism) on one extreme and totalitarian nationalism (fascism) on the other but if we went only by the Media we would not know that but the Media is not interested in making distinctions because their intent is not to report events but to repeat propaganda.
Their very use of logical fallacies is evidence of this. Logical fallacies do not constitute REASONED discourse. They bypass reason and rely on emotion. The fact that you offer up the same chant that "Trump is a racist" hows how well it works. "Four legs good. Two legs bad"
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jun/19/communist-party-usa-praises-democrat-policy-shifts/
By your reasoning, the support of the Communist Party (asked for or not) makes the Democrat Party indistinguishable from the communist party.
This is simply the old fallacious "GUILT BY ASSOCIATION" argument. Such a fallacy occurs when someone connects an opponent to a demonized group of people or to a bad person in order to discredit his or her argument. The idea is that the person is “guilty” by simply being similar to this “bad” group and, therefore, should not be listened to about anything.
Let me note that the "similarity" may only be that one is on the "Left" side of the political spectrum and the other is on the "right" but this is another fallacy that of the False Dilemma. Also known as the all-or-nothing fallacy, false dichotomy*, the either-or fallacy, either-or reasoning, fallacy of false choice, fallacy of false alternatives, black-and-white thinking, the fallacy of exhaustive hypotheses, bifurcation, excluded middle, no middle ground, polarization)In fact there are a number of position of totalitarian globalism (Communism) on one extreme and totalitarian nationalism (fascism) on the other but if we went only by the Media we would not know that but the Media is not interested in making distinctions because their intent is not to report events but to repeat propaganda.
Their very use of logical fallacies is evidence of this. Logical fallacies do not constitute REASONED discourse. They bypass reason and rely on emotion. The fact that you offer up the same chant that "Trump is a racist" hows how well it works. "Four legs good. Two legs bad"
You're correct, Trump is - technically - not a racist...rather he poli-plays to and fro upon that line. His positions and policies toy with their ideals. So, if not a full fledged racist (in pure logical terms) what exactly does that make him?
'Pathetic' comes to mind as at least a true racist has the courage of his conviction.
Yes. If children are raised with those who are different in appearance, they don't learn to fear them. But children who are not, will grow up to do so. Xenophobia is normal part of human behavior; unless you teach children to not fear those who are different, they likely will.
There's a survival value in this; people from other populations may very likely harbor diseases that are not dangerous to them, but may be dangerous to populations unfamiliar with them. The destruction of Native American civilizations was caused more by the spread of Eurasian diseases than by military might.
But the behavioral immune system, like an allergy, is so sensitive that it’s often wrong. It sometimes hurts us more than it helps.
In a new review paper published this week in Advances in Experimental Social Psychology, the psychologists Damian R. Murray, from Tulane University, and Mark Schaller, from the University of British Columbia, explain where these behavioral defenses against infection came from—and how they can deceive.
The actual immune system—the one that biologically fights infection—works best against the pathogens it’s accustomed to. When European settlers reached America, they promptly infected Native Americans with measles, whooping cough, smallpox, and a number of other diseases to which they had no immunity. Today, we might experience this when we travel to new, glamorous locations and spend many un-glamorous evenings perched on the toilet with traveler’s diarrhea.
In centuries past, then, it may have been healthy to tread carefully around foreigners. Not only might outsiders carry dangerous germs, they also might not be familiar with the kinds of local customs—food-preparation laws or sexual practices—that conferred some measure of protection against communicable diseases.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/01/the-disease-theory-of-xenophobia/423975/
It's not a pleasant thing about being human,but it's a natural part of us. Prejudice is surely reinforced by parents; if there's some kind of cultural issue, then yes, it has to be taught. Where the "others" live nearby and are frequently seen, then children will not fear them unless taught to do so.
genuineoriginal
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They weren't listening to what Donald Trump was saying, they liked what the Fake News was saying about Trump.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
That's why I asked the question acw will never answer and his troll-buddy Quip side-stepped
genuineoriginal
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That is correct.
Trump does not endorse White Supremacists, despite White Supremacists supporting Trump.
"You know what? It’s fine, you’re changing history, you’re changing culture, and you had people – and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?"
~ Donald Trump 08/15/2017
~ Donald Trump 08/15/2017
You're apparently not one for picking up on subtle nuance I see. I'll bluntly refer you to post #27.
genuineoriginal
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Stop drinking the Fake News koolaid.
genuineoriginal
New member
Your misinterpretation of Trump's motives for his positions and policies makes you a racist, but it does not make Trump a racist.
| Donald Trump's no racist, as past acts and presidential record prove Donald Trump is no racist. The president is honest and doesn’t parse his words, like most politicians, and that drives the media crazy. But his honesty is refreshing, and he is usually right, if not always diplomatic. African American and Hispanic unemployment under his presidency is the lowest it has been in 60 years. The president pushed through criminal justice reform and has created empowerment zones that help economically distressed communities — and their poorer residents — through tax incentives and grants. In short, he has done more for minorities in three years than President Obama did in eight, and he deserves credit instead of rebuke. |
President Donald Trump tweeted an independently produced video touting his record on Wednesday that included a distinctive lion logo linked to an anti-Semitic and white nationalist site.
The logo — a red, white and blue image of a lion surrounded by stars reportedly representing the “original colonies” that voted for Trump in the GOP primaries — has been used by VDare.com, which the Southern Poverty Law Center characterizes as an anti-immigrant hate group. VDare’s anti-Semitic slurs were linked to in a daily Department of Justice news briefing sent earlier this month to immigration judges. VDare has since been booted from YouTube.
The Justice Department blamed a contractor for sending the VDare link in the newsletter and said it should not have been included. “The Department of Justice condemns Anti-Semitism and white nationalism in the strongest terms,” said Kathryn Mattingly, a spokesperson for the department’s Executive Office of Immigration Review, which is responsible for arranging the briefings.
The lion logo has also been posted by a Dutch white supremacist whose Twitter account was suspended, Mediaite reported.
Now Trump has tweeted the video with the logo over the words: “Trump Pence Keep America Great.” Trump noted at the top of the video: “Thank you for the support as we MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!”
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/vdar...-semitic-lion-logo_n_5d6844d1e4b02bc6bb36d6fe
The logo — a red, white and blue image of a lion surrounded by stars reportedly representing the “original colonies” that voted for Trump in the GOP primaries — has been used by VDare.com, which the Southern Poverty Law Center characterizes as an anti-immigrant hate group. VDare’s anti-Semitic slurs were linked to in a daily Department of Justice news briefing sent earlier this month to immigration judges. VDare has since been booted from YouTube.
The Justice Department blamed a contractor for sending the VDare link in the newsletter and said it should not have been included. “The Department of Justice condemns Anti-Semitism and white nationalism in the strongest terms,” said Kathryn Mattingly, a spokesperson for the department’s Executive Office of Immigration Review, which is responsible for arranging the briefings.
The lion logo has also been posted by a Dutch white supremacist whose Twitter account was suspended, Mediaite reported.
Now Trump has tweeted the video with the logo over the words: “Trump Pence Keep America Great.” Trump noted at the top of the video: “Thank you for the support as we MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!”
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/vdar...-semitic-lion-logo_n_5d6844d1e4b02bc6bb36d6fe
You can't fool all of the people all of the time...
Poll: voters who reject racism are more energized for 2020 than they were in 2016
“Anti-black” voters used to be the more politically engaged group in 2016. A new poll shows that’s not the case anymore.
The poll, which surveyed 4,436 US adults from July 17 to 22 with a credibility interval of 2 percentage points, asked “respondents to rate people of different races on a series of personality traits,” such as intelligence, work ethic, and lawfulness, among others. It used these answers to determine whether the person answering was anti-black, pro-black, or neutral. It then looked at how these people answered questions about their interest in voting in the 2020 presidential election, and compared the results to similar polls held between 2016 and 2018.
A potential explanation for this phenomenon: White Americans experience less racial anxiety under Trump.
Racial anxiety, which peaked during President Barack Obama’s administration, began to simmer down as Trump promoted a “restoration of a white identity that they previously had felt was under attack,” Ithaca College professor Paula Ioanide told Reuters. This can be seen in the dropping number of respondents who said that “white people are currently under attack in this country”: 17 percent of white people strongly agreed in the Reuters/Ipsos poll, which is a 6-point drop from 2017, as did 26 percent of white Republicans, an 8-point drop from 2017.
A similar trend could be seen in the percentage of people who said that “America must protect and preserve its White European heritage”: 29 percent of white Americans agreed, which is a 7-point drop from a 2017 Reuters/Ipsos poll and a 9-point drop from a 2018 Reuters/Ipsos poll.
But the same rhetoric that may be validating some white Americans could also be energizing Democratic voters, University of California Irvine political science professor Michael Tesler told Reuters.
“They may not care that much about race initially, and then they see Trump pushing on race so hard,” he said. “And so they push back.”
https://www.vox.com/2019/8/20/20812567/reuters-ipsos-poll-voters-racism-2020
Poll: voters who reject racism are more energized for 2020 than they were in 2016
“Anti-black” voters used to be the more politically engaged group in 2016. A new poll shows that’s not the case anymore.
The poll, which surveyed 4,436 US adults from July 17 to 22 with a credibility interval of 2 percentage points, asked “respondents to rate people of different races on a series of personality traits,” such as intelligence, work ethic, and lawfulness, among others. It used these answers to determine whether the person answering was anti-black, pro-black, or neutral. It then looked at how these people answered questions about their interest in voting in the 2020 presidential election, and compared the results to similar polls held between 2016 and 2018.
A potential explanation for this phenomenon: White Americans experience less racial anxiety under Trump.
Racial anxiety, which peaked during President Barack Obama’s administration, began to simmer down as Trump promoted a “restoration of a white identity that they previously had felt was under attack,” Ithaca College professor Paula Ioanide told Reuters. This can be seen in the dropping number of respondents who said that “white people are currently under attack in this country”: 17 percent of white people strongly agreed in the Reuters/Ipsos poll, which is a 6-point drop from 2017, as did 26 percent of white Republicans, an 8-point drop from 2017.
A similar trend could be seen in the percentage of people who said that “America must protect and preserve its White European heritage”: 29 percent of white Americans agreed, which is a 7-point drop from a 2017 Reuters/Ipsos poll and a 9-point drop from a 2018 Reuters/Ipsos poll.
But the same rhetoric that may be validating some white Americans could also be energizing Democratic voters, University of California Irvine political science professor Michael Tesler told Reuters.
“They may not care that much about race initially, and then they see Trump pushing on race so hard,” he said. “And so they push back.”
https://www.vox.com/2019/8/20/20812567/reuters-ipsos-poll-voters-racism-2020