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I don't really want to think about this, but if a man thinks he's a woman, presumably he would have sex with men, right?
 

ok doser

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btw - it's good to remember when having these discussions that homosexuals, transgenders, etc etc - all of these are constructs of mental illness


i have watched this video several times - it's one of my favorites to come back to and ponder - the Yale halloween controversey:




for the longest time i struggled to understand Christakis' demeanor and reactions in the video, but I finally realized that he was dealing with them as a clinician faced with behavior that he doesn't fully understand and is trying to

he wasn't allowing the students to act like spoiled children because he thought they deserved to, he allowed it (and didn't react to it) just as a clinician would in a session - listening to them, considering their utterances and emotions and trying to understand them

which was dissatisfying to the students - they didn't want an apology, they didn't want an explanation - they wanted to hurt him - when he didn't react in a way that told them he was hurt, they got increasingly frustrated


still chewing on why they wanted to hurt him :think:
 

Gary K

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This post is closely related to the event with which I opened this thread. It is a quotation from Freidrich Hayek's book, The Road to Serfdom. The quote I will give here comes from the first few paragraphs from the chapter titled The End of Truth. In this chapter Hayek demonstrates how socialism brings about the end of truth being the foundation of society.

Notice that this is the state enforcing a new set of morals upon people. Tie this to the new laws on abortion making it legal to kill a child even after it is born and we see the complete destruction of morality. What is moral becomes immoral and what is immoral is declared to be moral. Truth is set upon it's ear and it's importance is destroyed. In other words, what is surreal is now seen as reality by the state, and that state of affairs is enforced by law upon the people. The fact that this is set in motion and initially put in front of the people through propoganda makes it no less insidious or invasive of human rights. This is thought control through the media, and dissension is frowned upon quite heavily, even in what is seen as less totalitarian beginnings in which the population is decieved as to the real goals of the state.

The most effective way of making everybody serve the single
system of ends towards which the social plan is directed is to
make everybody believe in those ends. To make a totalitarian
system function efficiently it is not enough that everybody
should be forced to work for the same ends. It is essential that
the people should come to regard them as their own ends.
Although the beliefs must be chosen for the people and imposed
upon them, they must become their beliefs, a generally accepted
creed which makes the individuals as far as possible act spon-
taneously in the way the planner wants. If the feeling of oppres-
sion in totalitarian countries is in general much less acute than
most people in liberal countries imagine, this is because the
totalitarian governments succeed to a high degree in making
people think as they want them to.

This is, of course, brought about by the various forms of
propaganda. Its technique is now so familiar that we need say
little about it. The only point that needs to be stressed is that
neither propaganda in itself, nor the techniques employed, are
peculiar to totalitarianism, and that what so completely changes
its nature and effect in a totalitarian state is that all propaganda
serves the same goal, that all the instruments of propaganda are
co-ordinated to influence the individuals in the same direction
and to produce the characteristic Gleichschaltung of all minds. As a
result, the effect of propaganda in totalitarian countries is differ-
ent not only in magnitude but in kind from that of the propa-
ganda made for different ends by independent and competing
agencies. If all the sources of current information are effectively
under one single control, it is no longer a question of merely
persuading the people of this or that. The skilful propagandist
then has power to mould their minds in any direction he
chooses and even the most intelligent and independent people
cannot entirely escape that influence if they are long isolated
from all other sources of information.
While in the totalitarian states this status of propaganda gives
it a unique power over the minds of the people, the peculiar
moral effects arise not from the technique but from the object
and scope of totalitarian propaganda. If it could be confined to
indoctrinating the people with the whole system of values
towards which the social effort is directed, propaganda would
represent merely a particular manifestation of the characteristic
features of collectivist morals which we have already considered.
If its object were merely to teach the people a definite and com-
prehensive moral code, the problem would be solely whether
this moral code is good or bad. We have seen that the moral code
of a totalitarian society is not likely to appeal to us, that even the
striving for equality by means of a directed economy can only
result in an officially enforced inequality-an authoritarian
determination of the status of each individual in the new
hierarchical order; that most of the humanitarian elements of
our morals, the respect for human life, for the weak and for the
individual generally, will disappear. However repellent this may
be to most people, and though it involves a change in moral
standards, it is not necessarily entirely anti-moral. Some features
of such a system may even appeal to the sternest moralists of
a conservative tint and seem to them preferable to the softer
standards of a liberal society.
The moral consequences of totalitarian propaganda which we
must now consider are, however, of an even more profound
kind. They are destructive of all morals because they undermine
one of the foundations of all morals, the sense of and the respect
for truth. From the nature of its task, totalitarian propaganda
cannot confine itself to values, to questions of opinion and
moral convictions in which the individual always will conform
more or less to the views ruling his community, but must extend
to questions of fact where human intelligence is involved in a
different way. This is so, firstly, because in order to induce
people to accept the official values, these must be justified, or
shown to be connected with the values already held by the
people, which usually will involve assertions about causal con-
nections between means and ends; and, secondly, because the
distinction between ends and means, between the goal aimed at
and the measures taken to achieve it, is in fact never so clear-cut
and definite as any general discussion of these problems is apt to
suggest; and because, therefore, people must be brought to agree
not only with the ultimate aims but also with the views about
the facts and possibilities on which the particular measures are
based.
 

Gary K

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In an essay written 70 to 80+ years ago Friedrich Hayek pointed what is now a common occurrence in our society today. He said, even back then, that to uphold sound priciples in a society that is moving towards socialism is to be accused of being a doctrinaire, or in other words, someone who only looks at one side of an issue and refuses to give both sides of the issue equal weight even when the opposing point of view violates sound principles.

When you read posts here for any length of time you see that Hayek's insight is true. Here is his beginning statement from his 11 page essay titled Individualism: True and False. This essay is available for free from the Mises Institute in a collection of essays on socialism titled Individualism and Economic Order.
TO ADVOCATE any clear-cut principles of social order is today an almost certain way to incur the stigma of being an unpractical doctrinaire. It has come to be regarded as the sign of the judicious mind that in social matters one does not adhere to fixed principles but decides each question “on its merits”; that one is generally guided by expediency and is ready to compromise between opposed views. Principles, however, have a way of asserting themselves even if they are not explicitly recognized but are only implied in particular decisions, or if they are present only as vague ideas of what is or is not being done. Thus it has come about that under the sign of “neither individualism nor socialism” we are in fact rapidly moving from a society of free individuals toward one of a completely collectivist character.
 

Gary K

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I don't really want to think about this, but if a man thinks he's a woman, presumably he would have sex with men, right?

There is an interesting book written on this by a politically incorrect psychologist, who thinks reality is more important than ideology, titled The Man Who Would Be Queen. It's available as a free download on the internet if you search for the title. Or at least it used to be anyway. Search engines may have suppressed it's distribution now. I am not sure of that though as I didn't do a search for it and I downloaded my copy four or five years ago.

Interestingly enough the copyright for the book is held by the Academy of National Sciences.
 

Aimiel

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This is a subject that President Trump is adamant about. He is NOT politically correct and hates the way that liberals have taken over our press and pushed the subject. He's the reason that gender-switchers aren't going to be allowed in the United States Military.
 

Aimiel

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Judge rules truth is no defence

He's out-of-order! You're out-of-order! This whole frivolous lawsuit is out-of-order!!!
 
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