Trump to declare National Emergency to build wall

drbrumley

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This latest brouhaha over President Trump’s threat to declare a national emergency in order to build a border wall is more manufactured political theater, a Trojan Horse intended to camouflage the real threat to our freedoms: yet another expansion of presidential power exposing us to constitutional peril.

This is not about illegal immigration or porous borders or who will pay to build that wall.

This is about unadulterated power and the rise of an “emergency state” that justifies all manner of government tyranny in the so-called name of national security.

The seeds of this present madness were sown more than a decade ago when George W. Bush stealthily issued two presidential directives that granted the president the power to unilaterally declare a national emergency, which is loosely defined as “any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions.”

Comprising the country’s Continuity of Government (COG) plan, these directives (National Security Presidential Directive 51 and Homeland Security Presidential Directive 20), which do not need congressional approval, provide a skeletal outline of the actions the president will take in the event of a “national emergency.”

Mind you, that national emergency can take any form, can be manipulated for any purpose and can be used to justify any end goal—all on the say so of the president.

This is exactly the kind of mischief that Thomas Jefferson warned against when he cautioned, “In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.”

John Whitehead
 

drbrumley

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This threat by Trump to rule by fiat merely plays into the hands of those who would distort the government’s system of checks and balances and its constitutional separation of powers beyond all recognition.

Apart from the fact that this highly politicized, shamelessly contrived border crisis does not in any way constitute a national emergency, to allow such a manufactured emergency to override constitutional constraints and the rule of law will push the nation that much closer to outright totalitarianism.

To be clear, this is not a criticism of Trump or a disavowal of the need for better vigilance at the nation’s border.

Rather this is a word of warning.

Remember, these powers do not expire at the end of a president’s term. They remain on the books, just waiting to be used or abused by the next political demagogue.

So, too, every action taken by the Trump administration to weaken the system of checks and balances, sidestep the rule of law, and expand the power of the president makes us that much more vulnerable to those who would abuse those powers in the future.

No matter whether you consider Trump to be a demagogue or a die-hard patriot, there will come a day when Trump no longer occupies the White House, and then what?

We’ve been down this road before.
 

TrumpTrainCA

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This threat by Trump to rule by fiat ....

How is him exercising his legal powers a threat to rule by fiat? You just told a lie.

As was noted earlier, in 2012, Obama declared a national emergency entitled, "Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen" in order to freeze the assets of anyone perceived to be negatively impacting a political transition in Yemen. In 2014 he issued a national emergency referred to as "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine," which similarly locked the assets of those thought to be undermining democratic processes in Ukraine.

Trump has declared three national emergencies so far. One centers on creating penalties for individuals around the world who are involved in human rights abuses. Another penalizes individuals involved in perpetuating violence in Nicaragua. And another imposes sanctions on foreign entities who seek to interfere in American elections.

After all those declarations, did you post that these presidents were ruling by fiat? Or are you just suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome.
 

WizardofOz

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This latest brouhaha over President Trump’s threat to declare a national emergency in order to build a border wall is more manufactured political theater, a Trojan Horse intended to camouflage the real threat to our freedoms: yet another expansion of presidential power exposing us to constitutional peril.

This is not about illegal immigration or porous borders or who will pay to build that wall.

This is about unadulterated power and the rise of an “emergency state” that justifies all manner of government tyranny in the so-called name of national security.

The seeds of this present madness were sown more than a decade ago when George W. Bush stealthily issued two presidential directives that granted the president the power to unilaterally declare a national emergency, which is loosely defined as “any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions.”

Comprising the country’s Continuity of Government (COG) plan, these directives (National Security Presidential Directive 51 and Homeland Security Presidential Directive 20), which do not need congressional approval, provide a skeletal outline of the actions the president will take in the event of a “national emergency.”

Mind you, that national emergency can take any form, can be manipulated for any purpose and can be used to justify any end goal—all on the say so of the president.

This is exactly the kind of mischief that Thomas Jefferson warned against when he cautioned, “In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.”

John Whitehead

Yup. And democrats are already talking about using this "emergency" power to ram gun control or climate change legislation down our throats. Republicans cheers now while Democrats whine but the tables will be turned with the next democrat president. And it all causes the government to be more authoritative over us. It's a good cop/bad cop routine and these partisan hacks are too short sighted to see it unfold right before their eyes.
 

drbrumley

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Yup. And democrats are already talking about using this "emergency" power to ram gun control or climate change legislation down our throats. Republicans cheers now while Democrats whine but the tables will be turned with the next democrat president. And it all causes the government to be more authoritative over us. It's a good cop/bad cop routine and these partisan hacks are too short sighted to see it unfold right before their eyes.

yep, TrumpTrainCA will be the first to start whining when a democratic despot starts doing it....

:up:
 

WizardofOz

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So, too, every action taken by the Trump administration to weaken the system of checks and balances, sidestep the rule of law, and expand the power of the president makes us that much more vulnerable to those who would abuse those powers in the future.

No matter whether you consider Trump to be a demagogue or a die-hard patriot, there will come a day when Trump no longer occupies the White House, and then what?

We’ve been down this road before.

:thumb:

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drbrumley

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Im no Coulter fan, but she laid into him...

Ann Coulter: ‘The Only National Emergency
February 16, 2019


Is That Our President Is An Idiot.’
 

Kit the Coyote

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Yup. And democrats are already talking about using this "emergency" power to ram gun control or climate change legislation down our throats. Republicans cheers now while Democrats whine but the tables will be turned with the next democrat president. And it all causes the government to be more authoritative over us. It's a good cop/bad cop routine and these partisan hacks are too short sighted to see it unfold right before their eyes.

I've seen it over and over again, one side decrying the other's expansion of power but you NEVER see them giving up that power once they become the party in power.
 

WizardofOz

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Democrats with some Republicans passed a bill on Jan 3rd that included the following:

• More than $1.3 billion for new fencing in the Rio Grande Valley and funding to replace secondary fencing in San Diego and other existing pedestrian fencing.
• $366.5 million for border security technology.
• $7.7 million to hire 328 additional U.S. Customs and Border Protection customs officers.
• $224.6 million for "non-intrusive Inspection equipment" at ports of entry.
• $7.08 billion for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Over $8 billion dollars to improve border security.

If $8 billion isn't enough, how much is? :idunno:
 

WizardofOz

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However much the Executive Branch says it is.

:doh: Can I quote you on that? If the president was a Democrat, you'd say the same thing, right?

Trumpers are so terribly short-sighted...just like the Democrats were when Obama was in office.

I'll also note that you didn't actually answer the question. If Trump says he needs $100 billion dollars, you'll still support that? $200 million? When is enough, enough?
 
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