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  • #16
    Originally posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    I will ask you a question: What if a police department decided to just stop helping people. What if all the officers got together and said: You know what? When we see crimes and we hear scream we are going to just keep on cruising down the street. We are not helping anybody.

    Would you say that in such a hypothetical situation, it would be the right of the people to rise up and defend themselves and make citizens' arrests?
    Or more likely fire the officers involved and hire new ones. So what if the police decided the courts were not doing their job and just decided to execute anyone they thought was guilty on the spot? After all, they have the legal right to use deadly force to protect the public. That is really a better example of what Trump is doing.
    "Repubs must not allow [The President] to subvert the Constitution of the US for his own benefit & because he is unable to negotiate w/ Congress," Donald Trump

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    • #17
      Too bad trad's not still with us

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
        The key in your comment is "without a vote from Congress". The President's Emergency powers are quite sweeping and are intended to allow him to respond to an unforeseen emergency when there is not the time to consult with Congress and Congress to act. But here, he had time to consult Congress and Congress has acted. This is a direct usurpation of Congressional power by the Executive using a legal loophole.
        It's a real headache for the republicans. First headache is that the wall is opposed by a large majority of Americans.

        Second headache is that it's going to end up in the courts for a long time, so Americans won't forget about it soon.

        Third headache is the thought of Elizabeth Warren able to bypass Congress by declaring emergencies.

        And keep in mind, George W. Bush's border fence? It's still mostly unbuilt. Legal tangles with emminent domain, Treaties with Mexico on flooding and structures on the Rio Grande, and so on.

        Should be interesting.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
          I will ask you a question: What if a police department decided to just stop helping people. What if all the officers got together and said: You know what? When we see crimes and we hear scream we are going to just keep on cruising down the street. We are not helping anybody.

          Would you say that in such a hypothetical situation, it would be the right of the people to rise up and defend themselves and make citizens' arrests?
          This actually happened, in the nation of Georgia. The president fired police. All of them. The country went through a period without any law enforcement at all.

          What happened? Nothing much. People mostly continued to obey the laws. Drivers learned to cooperate with each other in traffic. Eventually a new, uncorrupted police force took over.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
            Or more likely fire the officers involved and hire new ones. So what if the police decided the courts were not doing their job and just decided to execute anyone they thought was guilty on the spot? After all, they have the legal right to use deadly force to protect the public. That is really a better example of what Trump is doing.
            That happens now. Not every day, but way more than it should.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
              It's a real headache for the republicans. First headache is that the wall is opposed by a large majority of Americans.

              Second headache is that it's going to end up in the courts for a long time, so Americans won't forget about it soon.

              Third headache is the thought of Elizabeth Warren able to bypass Congress by declaring emergencies.

              And keep in mind, George W. Bush's border fence? It's still mostly unbuilt. Legal tangles with emminent domain, Treaties with Mexico on flooding and structures on the Rio Grande, and so on.

              Should be interesting.
              You can add the headache that this trend towards trying to bypass Congress started with President Obama and his 'pen and phone' comment. The Republicans were all over him for usurping power but that seems tame in comparison. This is a dangerous trend for American politics.
              "Repubs must not allow [The President] to subvert the Constitution of the US for his own benefit & because he is unable to negotiate w/ Congress," Donald Trump

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
                You can add the headache that this trend towards trying to bypass Congress started with President Obama and his 'pen and phone' comment. The Republicans were all over him for usurping power but that seems tame in comparison. This is a dangerous trend for American politics.
                looks like we'll just have to be sure we never have another democrat president

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                  looks like we'll just have to be sure we never have another democrat president
                  As the Republican is continuing the trend, I don't think it makes a difference.
                  "Repubs must not allow [The President] to subvert the Constitution of the US for his own benefit & because he is unable to negotiate w/ Congress," Donald Trump

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                  • #24
                    republicans are inherently trustworthy

                    democrats are not

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                      republicans are inherently trustworthy
                      Ask Ivanna, Marla, and Melania, whom a certain republican betrayed, one after the other.

                      Ask the many banks, contractors, and workers who will never get their money a certain republican owes them.

                      Ask the thousands people who trusted a certain republican enough to enroll in his fake "University" scam. Eventually, he gave in and paid back millions to the people he scammed.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                        Ask Ivanna, Marla, and Melania, whom a certain republican betrayed, one after the other.

                        Ask the many banks, contractors, and workers who will never get their money a certain republican owes them.

                        Ask the thousands people who trusted a certain republican enough to enroll in his fake "University" scam. Eventually, he gave in and paid back millions to the people he scammed.
                        iirc, he wasn't a republican back then

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                          iirc, he wasn't a republican back then
                          He was just acting like one. Incidentally, today he just admitted that he didn't need to build the wall right now, which completely undercut his claim that it's an emergency.

                          "Look, the only national emergency is, our president is an idiot."
                          Ann Coulter.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                            He was just acting like one.




                            wot a putz

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                            • #29


                              Trump to declare National Emergency to build wall

                              A classic case of "do as I say, not as I do!"

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                              • #30
                                Barbarian observes:
                                He was just acting like one.


                                Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                                wot a putz
                                That's what Ann Coulter said about him, in a white bread translation. But I think that "schmendrick" would be a better fit.
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