Arthur Brain
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Hooray For Pedophilia!
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Anger wrought by fear.....their little, cozy circle is being invaded by egalitarianism..ie ...muslims, blacks, homosexual wedding cakes, refugees, women's rights......etc.
FEAR
What else can you expect from small-minds? :idunno:
annabenedetti
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I'm literally watching the credits roll up the screen right now.
Frankly, anyone who hasn't seen the movie doesn't know what they're talking about.
I saw it listed on my Netflix account. Just watched the trailer of the writer-director discussing her film’s story and inspiration. She is trying to explain her experience growing up between two cultures. I don’t get the impression she wrote this to exploit children.
annabenedetti
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She didn't at all. She describes it as her story, she herself grew up in a Senegalese family in Paris. The ending scene is so touching it brought tears to my eyes, perhaps because as a woman I understood this girl, caught between two cultures, and neither of them being a good fit. In the end she rejects the dance troupe, rejects her family expectations (her father is marrying a second wife) and right before the closing scene we see she's left her Senegalese dress and her dance troupe outfit on the bed. In jeans and a t-shirt she goes outside to jump rope with the other kids. They show her jumping up and down in slow motion, higher and higher, a big smile on her face.
There's no glorification of hyper-sexualization. The petition making the rounds claims the movie "was created for the entertainment of adults who are pedophiles" which is not only a lie but an insult to the creator/director's vision of her story, and just so 2020 ludicrously over the top.
Significantly, at age 11 Amy gets her first period and her mother tells her, "you're a woman now." And her traditional auntie tells her that she was about the same age when she 'became a woman' too, and that a few years later she was married, and that she hopes Amy will be as fortunate. So she's caught between two ideals of womanhood, her Senegalese culture and the 'cool' girls clique at school she wants to be a part of. What stood out to me was that her traditional culture puts womanhood on her just as early as her peers, it's just a different vision of womanhood.
It's uncomfortable to think about girls as young as Amy being sexualized but that's the point Doucouré is trying to make. And to make a comparison, while I was watching the movie I went on youtube and looked up girls' dance and cheer competitions and the costumes are the same, the makeup is even more obvious and a lot of the dance moves are reminiscent of what the movie portrays. Something else to consider is that this is a French film, and we Americans can be quite puritanical in comparison. (And while I'm thinking of it, remember Toddlers and Tiaras? I was horrified then and still am.)
Having said all that I think Netflix rather botched this and deserves some blowback maybe, but the rightwingers (I've seen the comments online) are connecting their fevered dots: Netflix to the Obamas to QAnon and coming up with deep state child pornography...
Edited to add:
Another scene that was quite moving is also near the end of the movie, and sets up the ending scenes - Amy's in the middle of the dance routine, the music fades away and she hears her mother's voice, speaking in her native tongue. At that point, tears are running down her face and she runs home to her mother, and it's then that she surveys the wedding scene, the family in native dress, and she goes outside to skip rope.
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ok doser
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at what age are you comfortable with girls being sexualized?
12?
13?
14?
15?
16?
17?
18?
19?
20?
annabenedetti
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You're trying to manufacture false outrage with a false premise.
I've seen the movie and I suspect you haven't and only have the right-wing outrage machine to fall back on.
ok doser
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annabenedetti
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"at what age are you comfortable with girls being sexualized?"
I never said I was comfortable with it.
If I was talking with someone else besides you, I could have a good conversation about it. With you, that's not possible or desirable.
Again, you haven't seen the movie I'm guessing, so you really can't tell me anything about it.
ok doser
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not even in adulthood, of their own choice?
the feminist in you doesn't recoil at the denial of agency over one's own body?
annabenedetti
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In what universe do you equate "girl" with "adulthood?"
And what does "adulthood" have to do with the movie?
ok doser
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in the universe in which my question to you included the following range of ages:
but since this is a typical diversionary tactic of yours, let me rephrase it:
at what age are you comfortable with female humans being sexualized?
12?
13?
14?
15?
16?
17?
18?
19?
20?
annabenedetti
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No. I'm trying to stay on the topic of the movie, you're trying to move the topic to your imaginary premise based on something I didn't say rather than sticking to the topic of the outraged claims of pedophilia surrounding a movie you haven't seen and I have.
Arthur Brain
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ok doser
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which is sexualizing 11 year old girls, graphically and explicitly
what you said:
my response is that I'm uncomfortable to think of female humans of any age being sexualized
you appear to only be uncomfortable with the age factor
ok doser
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Just the kind of stupid and baiting question that only a troll would ask.
lain:
oh artie, you only say that because you're in your cups and don't understand :sigh:
that does seem to happen a lot with you, doesn't it? :chuckle:
annabenedetti
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Not having seen the movie, you're not equipped to do anything except run around with a red herring on a string.
ok doser
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false premise