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  • annabenedetti
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    Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
    I notice the ignoring of all the kids being trafficked and sold into sexual slavery. That's what the left does. The defend the pedophiles and call them "normal", unless, of course, they happen to be a conservative and then the knives come out.
    No they don't defend pedophiles, regardless of their ideology. What a ridiculous statement.

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  • annabenedetti
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    Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
    For the record, this is your first post in the thread. You aren't moderating it, you've personally invested in it. You've taken a side.

    If I replied to you with "you love Trump more than you love your neighbor," you might now feel justified in banning me for disrespecting a mod, which is what you did to Arthur Brain.

    That's an efficient way to cull the membership, but it's not a good one, and it's not in the best interests of the forum.

    Just making this evident so if you give an infraction in this thread, we can see where you first began, with a lie about the character of other posters on this thread to whose views you're ideologically opposed.

    For the record, I received an infraction from Sherman for the above post.
    Dear annabenedetti,

    You have received an infraction at Theology Online.

    Reason: Unnecessarily disruptive

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  • ffreeloader
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    I notice the ignoring of all the kids being trafficked and sold into sexual slavery. That's what the left does. The defend the pedophiles and call them "normal", unless, of course, they happen to be a conservative and then the knives come out.

    And, no I'm not going to do your research for you. The information is out there for anyone to find and all that will happen if I provide it is it will be ignored, as usual.

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  • Stripe
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    Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
    The extreme right (which happens to be running the executive branch right now)...


    You mean the pro-homo, pro-abortion socialists who "want to override the second amendment"?

    Those right-wingers?

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  • The Barbarian
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    Originally posted by Lon View Post
    Similar to not taking care of war veterans. If we can't do it for us, by extension, we'll stink at trying to do it for them. It may be true, but I still wish we'd 'try' to do better to both.

    For the most part, agreement. I'd suggest I'm 'right' but not far right. It does often align me with Republican agenda, but I've great reservations with both parties. We haven't had a president in a very long time who represented the majority of us.

    So on this one, I prefer 'some' or 'many' "on the right." You did leave that open with 'people on the right' instead of just 'right' but it allowed an opportunity to clarify and distance from those, for whatever reason, would do drastic things to 'discourage.'
    And you're correct. It's the extreme right (which happens to be running the executive branch right now) that abuses children this way.

    I'm sure many conservatives are highly displeased with this behavior. If there are still any Reagan republicans in the GOP, they must be beside themselves with anger.

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  • Lon
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    Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
    I don't see how one child being abused is justification for abusing thousands of them. How does that reason out?
    Similar to not taking care of war veterans. If we can't do it for us, by extension, we'll stink at trying to do it for them. It may be true, but I still wish we'd 'try' to do better to both.

    Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
    But,people on the right hate asylum seekers so badly that abusing children is, to them, just another tactic to discourage the process.
    For the most part, agreement. I'd suggest I'm 'right' but not far right. It does often align me with Republican agenda, but I've great reservations with both parties. We haven't had a president in a very long time who represented the majority of us.

    So on this one, I prefer 'some' or 'many' "on the right." You did leave that open with 'people on the right' instead of just 'right' but it allowed an opportunity to clarify and distance from those, for whatever reason, would do drastic things to 'discourage.'

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  • annabenedetti
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    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    They hate Trump more than they love their neighbor.
    For the record, this is your first post in the thread. You aren't moderating it, you've personally invested in it. You've taken a side.

    If I replied to you with "you love Trump more than you love your neighbor," you might now feel justified in banning me for disrespecting a mod, which is what you did to Arthur Brain.

    That's an efficient way to cull the membership, but it's not a good one, and it's not in the best interests of the forum.

    Just making this evident so if you give an infraction in this thread, we can see where you first began, with a lie about the character of other posters on this thread to whose views you're ideologically opposed.

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  • The Barbarian
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    Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
    Anna,

    Just why should illegal aliens be treated any better than US citizens?
    I don't see how one child being abused is justification for abusing thousands of them. How does that reason out?

    In my area of the country the state just stepped in and took the two remaining children away from a couple who had just lost one of their daughters to a very virulent form of the flu. She died within 24 hours of contracting it, and there is no treatment for it, yet the state took away the surviving children because it deemed the parents to not be good parents due to the death of their daughter.

    It's total insanity as to what US citizens are subjected to without cause, so, why should illegal aliens be treated any differently?

    Obama did the same thing--separated families and kept them in even dirtier cages--only he could have cared less about the kids being trafficked for his administration turned kids loose with known sex traffickers and violent criminals.
    Checkable source? No?

    What the Trump administration is doing is the right thing.
    Scott Lloyd, the Trump appointee once in charge of caring for unaccompanied migrant children, told Congress Tuesday that he never cautioned the Trump administration that separating families at the border could leave children with potentially lifelong damage to their health.

    The House Judiciary Committee held a hearing on Tuesday regarding the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy, which split thousands of children from their families. During the hearing, Rep. Pramila Jayapal asked Lloyd, “Did you ever say to the administration, ‘This is a bad idea. Here’s what my child welfare experts have told us. We need to stop this policy’? Did you once say that to anybody above you?”

    “To answer your question, I did not say those words,” Lloyd told the California Democrat.

    Until last fall, Lloyd served as the head of the Office of Refugee Resettlement, which is tasked with reuniting separated children. During the same hearing, Jonathan White, a career official who previously worked as the deputy director of children’s programs at the Office of Refugee Resettlement, said he warned Lloyd and other officials against separating families — repeatedly.

    “I raised concerns about that both as regards to the effect on children and also the effect on the capacity of the program to serve children, and particularly very young children,” testified White, who sat next to Lloyd. “I raised those issues on a number of occasions primarily prior to Mr. Lloyd’s arrival and also after his arrival.”

    https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/...administration

    So it's a new policy, which was deliberately meant to harm children as a way of discouraging asylum applications. The Trump administration was repeatedly warned of the harm to innocent children and proceeded with it anyway.

    But,people on the right hate asylum seekers so badly that abusing children is, to them, just another tactic to discourage the process.

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  • JudgeRightly
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    Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
    But, you people on the left hate Trump so badly that if he personally financed a cure for cancer you would say his motives were bad and hate him all the more.
    They hate Trump more than they love their neighbor.

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  • ffreeloader
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    Anna,

    Just why should illegal aliens be treated any better than US citizens?

    In my area of the country the state just stepped in and took the two remaining children away from a couple who had just lost one of their daughters to a very virulent form of the flu. She died within 24 hours of contracting it, and there is no treatment for it, yet the state took away the surviving children because it deemed the parents to not be good parents due to the death of their daughter.

    It's total insanity as to what US citizens are subjected to without cause, so, why should illegal aliens be treated any differently?

    And, just so you know, although I doubt it will dent your ideology, there are people crossing the border every day with children who are not relatives of theirs and who will traffic those kids they bring across in the sex trades. Seemingly you could care less for those kids for they need to be separated from the abusers who brought them here while their identities are established. That means that has to happen to everyone crossing the border illegally and all children must be separated from the adults until identities are established for it is impossible to know who all the sex trafficers are by sight. It's for the good of all that identies are established before kids are turned loose with adults when no one knows if the adults are actually their parents.

    Obama did the same thing--separated families and kept them in even dirtier cages--only he could have cared less about the kids being trafficked for his administration turned kids loose with known sex traffickers and violent criminals. What the Trump administration is doing is the right thing. But, you people on the left hate Trump so badly that if he personally financed a cure for cancer you would say his motives were bad and hate him all the more.

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  • Lon
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    Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Because there could always be a "Kindness Kindergarten."
    Spoiler


    Kind of like when you "build a little city..."


    The Hotan Kindness Kindergarten, like many others, is a high security facility


    China is deliberately separating Muslim children from their families, faith and language in its far western region of Xinjiang, according to new research.
    At the same time as hundreds of thousands of adults are being detained in giant camps, a rapid, large-scale campaign to build boarding schools is under way.

    Based on publicly available documents, and backed up by dozens of interviews with family members overseas, the BBC has gathered some of the most comprehensive evidence to date about what is happening to children in the region.

    Records show that in one township alone more than 400 children have lost not just one but both parents to some form of internment, either in the camps or in prison.
    Formal assessments are carried out to determine whether the children are in need of "centralised care".
    Alongside the efforts to transform the identity of Xinjiang's adults, the evidence points to a parallel campaign to systematically remove children from their roots.
    In a large hall in Istanbul, dozens of people queue to tell their stories, many of them clutching photographs of children, all now missing back home in Xinjiang.
    "I don't know who is looking after them," one mother says, pointing to a picture of her three young daughters, "there is no contact at all."
    Another mother, holding a photo of three sons and a daughter, wipes away her tears. "I heard that they've been taken to an orphanage," she says.
    In 60 separate interviews, in wave after wave of anxious, grief-ridden testimony, parents and other relatives give details of the disappearance in Xinjiang of more than 100 children.


    Something like that could never happen here, right?
    Er, to indoctrinate kids? Yeah, I suppose it is happening in our school system presently

    Comparing it to kids at the border?

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  • The Barbarian
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    This is the thing that's infuriating. Those guys are wringing their hands about how cruel it is to abort a child (and it is), but they have no scruples at all with abusing children after they are born. It confirms my earlier impression that they don't care for children at all, unless there's a political advantage to be had.

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  • annabenedetti
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    Originally posted by Lon View Post
    I am seeing a glass, half full, that can be filled all the way up.
    Because there could always be a "Kindness Kindergarten."

    Kind of like when you "build a little city..."


    The Hotan Kindness Kindergarten, like many others, is a high security facility


    China is deliberately separating Muslim children from their families, faith and language in its far western region of Xinjiang, according to new research.
    At the same time as hundreds of thousands of adults are being detained in giant camps, a rapid, large-scale campaign to build boarding schools is under way.

    Based on publicly available documents, and backed up by dozens of interviews with family members overseas, the BBC has gathered some of the most comprehensive evidence to date about what is happening to children in the region.

    Records show that in one township alone more than 400 children have lost not just one but both parents to some form of internment, either in the camps or in prison.
    Formal assessments are carried out to determine whether the children are in need of "centralised care".
    Alongside the efforts to transform the identity of Xinjiang's adults, the evidence points to a parallel campaign to systematically remove children from their roots.
    In a large hall in Istanbul, dozens of people queue to tell their stories, many of them clutching photographs of children, all now missing back home in Xinjiang.
    "I don't know who is looking after them," one mother says, pointing to a picture of her three young daughters, "there is no contact at all."
    Another mother, holding a photo of three sons and a daughter, wipes away her tears. "I heard that they've been taken to an orphanage," she says.
    In 60 separate interviews, in wave after wave of anxious, grief-ridden testimony, parents and other relatives give details of the disappearance in Xinjiang of more than 100 children.


    Something like that could never happen here, right?

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  • Zeke
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    Originally posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    Liar. They are illegally sneaking into America and overburdening our systems and tax dollars and prisons. They are criminals. The children are victims of their criminal parents and of imbeciles like you who let it all happen.

    Oh, and then there's this:

    Illegal immigrants are trying a bold new strategy to sneak into the U.S. — pairing up with unrelated children and pretending to be families, fabricating tales of heart-rending woes back home to try to convince border agents to admit them into the country, according to internal Homeland Security documents reviewed by The Washington Times.

    That is one of the tactics feeding the surge of illegal immigrants in recent months, which the Border Patrol’s intelligence unit says was part of a pre-election rush to try to get into the country. The U.S. set records for illegal immigrant children and families in fiscal year 2016 and is on pace to break those records one month into fiscal year 2017.


    >> STORY LINK

    That's why I recommended building a wall around the district of Columbia for those very reasons.

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  • Lon
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    Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Then make one, Lon.
    Let's not talk about the thread. Let's talk about the immigrants.
    Because they're desperate, Lon.
    Amazing how you just toss off "dog pens or not" like that.
    Actually, yes they are.
    Conflicting reports, even among these democrat representatives. Most are describing neglect, not abuse. You can make a stance that neglect IS abuse and I'd agree with you but it seems, from several comments, that even many BP agents want to try to help. To me, there is a difference.
    Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Okay, I'm all out of patience. What you just wrote there is so wrong, on so many levels.
    1) I don't think it was what I wrote, but what you decided it meant. I'll say it again: EVEN IF they are not treated as humanly, 1) They are not dead or experiencing worse and 2) WE CAN fix that! I'm not sure we can fix all problems, we certainly cannot fix abuse where people are desiring life, but they are here, and they are alive where I,we CAN do something about it. A shiny nickel in the toilet? No, an opportunity because we 'have them.' Try not to jump ahead. Ask first perhaps? I'm not happy about the condition, I am seeing a glass, half full, that can be filled all the way up. AT LEAST it gives me a CHANCE at hope.

    Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
    You just throw words, words, more words - and I don't know, maybe you think you're pondering sagely, or philosophizing, or what - but it all comes across as a lot of Pilate washing his hands and saying "what is truth?"
    Yes, just words if no ears to hear.

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