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    Yes, some of them owned slaves (liberals are the first to mention that, so I thought I'd get that subject out of the way).

    Founding Fathers expert David Barton talks about how the 3/5th's clause in the Constitution was anti slavery.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUVONzyPRhU

    Now that it's been established that Frederick Douglass was a big fan of the Constitution's anti slavery clause, I guess we can leave that subject behind.
    Last edited by aCultureWarrior; July 3rd, 2017, 08:15 AM.
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

  • #2
    So much for the separation of church and state myth:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA2v4m3fY3g
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    • #3
      8 minutes, a must see.

      Happy Independence Day!


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v68MaPxyKY
      The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
      http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
      http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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      • #4
        Originally posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
        Founding Fathers expert David Barton


        What makes him an "expert"?
        “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

        ― Theodore Roosevelt

        Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem

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        • #5
          Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
          Founding Fathers expert David Barton

          Originally posted by WizardofOz View Post


          What makes him an "expert"?
          Owning "tens of thousands of original writings from the Founding era", plus over 400 speaking engagements a year on the subject as well as numerous awards makes him one.

          https://wallbuilders.com/bios/
          The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
          http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
          http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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          • #6
            Originally posted by WizardofOz View Post


            What makes him an "expert"?
            He says he is. Although one of his books The Jefferson Lies was so mocked by real historians and found to be such trash it was pulled from the market by its publisher.
            Barton is an expert in self-promotion, nothing else.

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            • #7
              Originally Posted by WizardofOz


              What makes him an "expert"?

              Originally posted by Jonahdog View Post
              He says he is.
              Recognized as an historical expert by both state and federal courts;
              Called to testify as an historical expert by both the federal and state legislatures;
              Selected as an historical expert by State Boards of Education across the nation to assist in writing history and social studies standards for those states;
              Consulted as an historical expert by public school textbook publishers, helping write best-selling history texts used in public schools and universities across the nation.

              Although one of his books The Jefferson Lies was so mocked by real historians and found to be such trash it was pulled from the market by its publisher.
              Barton is an expert in self-promotion, nothing else.
              It's call "liberal censorship" (liberals are notorious book burners don't cha know).

              The Jefferson Lies: Taking on the Critics
              https://wallbuilders.com/jefferson-lies-taking-critics/
              The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
              http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
              http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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              • #8
                Originally posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
                8 minutes, a must see.

                Happy Independence Day!


                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v68MaPxyKY
                Great video

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
                  It's call "liberal censorship" (liberals are notorious book burners don't cha know).

                  ]
                  It was his Christian book publisher, Thomas Nelson, that pulled his book. I believe his other "books" were self published or published by his captive business, Wallbuilders, or by WND or Glenn Beck. He is, simply, a fraud, a psuedohistorian.
                  I would be interested in seeing his CV but I'll bet he does not like to publish that, it would allow people to check.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by aCultureWarrior View Post


                    Recognized as an historical expert by both state and federal courts;
                    Called to testify as an historical expert by both the federal and state legislatures;
                    Selected as an historical expert by State Boards of Education across the nation to assist in writing history and social studies standards for those states;
                    Consulted as an historical expert by public school textbook publishers, helping write best-selling history texts used in public schools and universities across the nation.




                    The Jefferson Lies: Taking on the Critics
                    https://wallbuilders.com/jefferson-lies-taking-critics/
                    to make my point about his self-promotion, ACW's list supporting Barton's expertise comes directly from Barton's defense of his Jefferson book, just go to the web site cited.
                    Barton decries "academic elites" and academic criticism. Were he a real historian, he would welcome it. But since his scholarship is garbage he can do nothing but whine about it.
                    Although I'll bet he makes a decent buck. Follow the $.

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                    • #11
                      Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
                      It's call "liberal censorship" (liberals are notorious book burners don't cha know).

                      Originally posted by Jonahdog View Post
                      It was his Christian book publisher, Thomas Nelson, that pulled his book. I believe his other "books" were self published or published by his captive business, Wallbuilders, or by WND or Glenn Beck. He is, simply, a fraud, a psuedohistorian.
                      I would be interested in seeing his CV but I'll bet he does not like to publish that, it would allow people to check.
                      If you'd read the above link "The Jefferson Lies: Taking on the Critics", you'd know that it was liberal pseudo historians that were behind Barton's censorship.

                      Originally posted by Jonahdog View Post
                      to make my point about his self-promotion, ACW's list supporting Barton's expertise comes directly from Barton's defense of his Jefferson book, just go to the web site cited.
                      Barton decries "academic elites" and academic criticism. Were he a real historian, he would welcome it. But since his scholarship is garbage he can do nothing but whine about it.
                      Although I'll bet he makes a decent buck. Follow the $.
                      I see that you're not attempting to refute that David Barton is an expert on the Founding Fathers (you liberals do know your limitations).

                      This 25 minute video is well worth the watch (amongst other things note how Jefferson was the first President to fight Muslims, i.e. the war on terror. Note what Barton says about the Jefferson Memorial, established under FDR; note how Jefferson was anti-slavery, etc. etc. etc.).


                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw0pSw77gm8
                      The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
                      http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
                      http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
                        Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
                        It's call "liberal censorship" (liberals are notorious book burners don't cha know).



                        If you'd read the above link "The Jefferson Lies: Taking on the Critics", you'd know that it was liberal pseudo historians that were behind Barton's censorship.



                        I see that you're not attempting to refute that David Barton is an expert on the Founding Fathers (you liberals do know your limitations).

                        This 25 minute video is well worth the watch (amongst other things note how Jefferson was the first President to fight Muslims, i.e. the war on terror. Note what Barton says about the Jefferson Memorial, established under FDR; note how Jefferson was anti-slavery, etc. etc. etc.).


                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw0pSw77gm8
                        No, he is only an expert in promoting false history, attempting to "Christianize" the Founders to support current right wing Christian fundamentalism.
                        The two academics who criticized him out of the box are Warren Throckmorton and Michael Coulter, they are professors at a Christian college, Grove City College, not a hot bed of eastern liberalism. Or liberalism at any level.

                        Right wing fundamentalists love to spread falsehoods as long as they think it supports Jesus, don't cha know. Quite the oxymoronic position by the way.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jonahdog View Post
                          No, he is only an expert in promoting false history, attempting to "Christianize" the Founders to support current right wing Christian fundamentalism.
                          The two academics who criticized him out of the box are Warren Throckmorton and Michael Coulter, they are professors at a Christian college, Grove City College, not a hot bed of eastern liberalism. Or liberalism at any level.

                          Right wing fundamentalists love to spread falsehoods as long as they think it supports Jesus, don't cha know. Quite the oxymoronic position by the way.
                          How can you refute so many founding fathers that speak directly of Jesus Christ?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
                            How can you refute so many founding fathers that speak directly of Jesus Christ?
                            No, I said that Barton takes their Christian views and expands them to more. And he uses his pseudohistorical information to support the current right wing. Barton wants a theocracy. No thanks.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jonahdog View Post
                              No, he is only an expert in promoting false history, attempting to "Christianize" the Founders to support current right wing Christian fundamentalism.
                              I see that you have no desire to attempt to refute the information on Jefferson that David Barton presented in the 25 minute video that I posted above. You are wise.

                              The two academics who criticized him out of the box are Warren Throckmorton and Michael Coulter, they are professors at a Christian college, Grove City College, not a hot bed of eastern liberalism. Or liberalism at any level.
                              Do you wonder why, like I do, a Christian college would allow an LGBTQ activist like Warren Throckmorton to teach impressionable young minds, especially the minds of Christian youth?

                              http://americansfortruth.com/2010/03...homosexuality/
                              http://americansfortruth.com/2010/04...ntity-therapy/

                              Now that it's been established that Warren Throckmorton is a God-hating liberal, what else would you like to talk about?
                              The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
                              http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
                              http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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