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  • Keep in mind, Barna is an evangelical Christian, himself. So I very much doubt if he's trying to make them look bad. And yes, poverty and lack of education do have something to do with numbers like this. I might ask Barna to consider another survey incorporating those controls.

    It's just that some people (not you, Lon) are more willing to give evangelicals a break on those things, but get all wound up if anyone suggests that might be the case with other minorities.

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    • Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
      ... get all wound up if anyone suggests that might be the case with other minorities.
      other minorities like SDA's?

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      • Barbarian observes:
        t's just that some people (not you, Lon) are more willing to give evangelicals a break on those things, but get all wound up if anyone suggests that might be the case with other minorities.
        ...

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        • Originally posted by ok doser View Post
          other minorities like SDA's?


          barbie

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          • Barbarian is all wound up again.
            Where is the evidence for a global flood?
            E≈mc2
            "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

            "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
            -Bob B.

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            • that does tend to happen with the senile

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              • Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                that does tend to happen with the senile
                I thought he was just a troll.

                One of life's great mysteries.
                Where is the evidence for a global flood?
                E≈mc2
                "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

                "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
                -Bob B.

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                • that and lost socks

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                  • Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                    that and lost socks
                    I've got another pair at home just like this one.
                    Where is the evidence for a global flood?
                    E≈mc2
                    "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

                    "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
                    -Bob B.

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                    • Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                      Keep in mind, Barna is an evangelical Christian, himself. So I very much doubt if he's trying to make them look bad. And yes, poverty and lack of education do have something to do with numbers like this. I might ask Barna to consider another survey incorporating those controls.
                      We just don't have enough information with Barna. How many were converted after divorce, for instance? I'm not sure Barna's data is ever this well researched. The Barna Group does do work with Gallup so he is reputable, but he isn't always as thorough and he definitely doesn't always interpret the data correctly. He doesn't ask these kinds of questions before his group reports.

                      Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                      It's just that some people (not you, Lon) are more willing to give evangelicals a break on those things, but get all wound up if anyone suggests that might be the case with other minorities.
                      The Southern Baptist, for instance, who report a very low divorce rate. I think the like I gave (religioustolerance.com) isn't particularly biased one way or the other but they did say a few of these were much to small of sample sizes to be accurate. On top of that, it doesn't tell us if these divorcees were before or after their conversions. It may well be that these were 'unbelievers' by group before (or after) rather than 'evangelical' the whole tenor of their identification. R-tolerance also said that Barna simply asked about identity. That might be, but Barna generally asks how often they attend church, for example.
                      My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
                      Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
                      Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
                      Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
                      No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
                      Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

                      ? Yep

                      Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

                      ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

                      Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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                      • [Enyart divorce]

                        False (2 Pe 2:1). There is no such thing. You are not fit to pastor a church if you don’t know what marriage is (Mt 19:10).

                        Marriage is: one man, one woman (Gen. 2:18–24) in covenant (Matt. 19:6) for life (Rom. 7:2, 3).

                        [Paul complains 1 Co 9:5]

                        False (2 Pe 2:1). Paul wished that all men were like him (1 Co 7:7). He was able to remain celibate (a widower or his wife left him because he became a believer) because he had the Holy Spirit.

                        You may lack self-control (1 Cor. 7:2, 9). Paul did not.

                        You have the right to travel with your (not someone else's) family.

                        “B. The extent of his rights (9:4–12a, 13–14): Paul’s rights include:
                        1. The right of hospitality (9:4): Paul has earned the right to be entertained by other believers.
                        2. The right to travel with his family (9:5–6)
                        3. The right to enjoy financial support (9:7–12a, 13–14)
                        a. A soldier is paid for his services (9:7a).
                        b. A vineyard owner eats from the grapes he harvests (9:7b).
                        c. A shepherd drinks from the milk of his flock (9:7c).
                        d. A farmer shares in the fruit of his crops (9:8–12a).
                        e. A priest partakes from the animal sacrifices he offers (9:13–14).” Willmington, H. L. (1999). The Outline Bible. Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

                        Recommend reading:

                        The Divorce Myth by J. Carl Laney

                        Recommended sites:

                        Christian Divorce and Remarriage | Joseph Webb

                        Marriage Permanence

                        Permanence of Marriage Until Death | Walking by the Spirit Always

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                        • [Enyart] “We’ve been saying…do right and risk the consequences…”

                          If you’ve done right, then why did your wife commit suicide? Eph 5:25–33

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