National Football League and Kneeling During National Anthem

[Jerry Shugart]

What is you have a business and one of your employees becomes politically active on the job? And what if his political activism is resulting in driving away some of your customers? What are you to do? Simple! You fire the political activist.

That is what is happening in the NFL today. Some of the players think that they have a right to be politically active on the job and as a result they kneel during the National Anthem and those actions drive customers away. The fans would tolerate them kneeling as a protest before the anthem because that action does not pour contempt on the flag and what it stands for. But no, some of the players refuse to compromise and do the sensible thing but instead must do the very thing that shows disrespect for the flag.

If I were an owner I would tell my players that if they kneel during the National Anthem they are fired!

 

[annabenedetti]

Football players are kneeling!! Wah!!

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Football players are kneeling!! Wah!!

I guess you are defending kneeling during the National Anthem.

What if you had a business and one of your employees became politically active on the job and that activism ended up costing you customers?

Of course you would just smile and bear it and wouldn't fire that employee. NOT!

 

[annabenedetti]

I guess you are defending kneeling during the National Anthem.

Absolutely.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Absolutely.

What if you had a business and one of your employees became politically active on the job and that activism ended up costing you customers?

Of course you would just smile and bear it and wouldn't fire that employee, would you?

 

[quip]

I guess you are defending kneeling during the National Anthem.

What if you had a business and one of your employees became politically active on the job and that activism ended up costing you customers?

Of course you would just smile and bear it and wouldn't fire that employee. NOT!

I'm thinking Chick-fil-A....perhaps, Hobby Lobby.....as understanding employers!

 

[quip]

What if you had a business and one of your employees became politically active on the job and that activism ended up costing you customers?

Of course you would just smile and bear it and wouldn't fire that employee, would you?

Seriously..... first, that's why I won't and don't run a biz.
But to humour you....yes I'd fire him if he was protesting instead of doing the work he was being paid to do. :duh:

As far as Kapernick (sp?) He did his job as per his contract....he simply kneeled prior to the game. :idunno:

Plus, a Walmart employ hardly wields the influence (or contractual employer obligation) of an NFL quarterback...but hey, keep up the spurious-good-work Jerries!

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Seriously..... first, that's why I won't and don't run a biz.

So you don't run a biz because you don't want to deal with problems like these?

If everyone has your attitude then the government would turn socialist and would that make you happy?

As far as Kapernick (sp?) He did his job as per his contract....he simply kneeled prior to the game.

Yes, during the National Anthem, thereby showing contempt for the anthem and all it stands for. And many fans don't like that so in effect Kapernick insulted those who are responsible for him being paid millions of dollars. But he is too dumb to realize that.

 

[quip]

So you don't run a biz because you don't want to deal with problems like these?

One of many reasons.

If everyone has your attitude then the government would turn socialist and would that make you happy?

Don't go off the deep end there sparky! :chuckle:

 

[annabenedetti]

Yes, during the National Anthem, thereby showing contempt for the anthem and all it stands for.

One of the biggest lies propagated by the right.

But they are too dumb to realize that.

 

[quip]

Yes, during the National Anthem, thereby showing contempt for the anthem and all it stands for. And many fans don't like that so in effect Kapernick insulted those who are responsible for him being paid millions of dollars. But he is too dumb to realize that.

Kapernick likewise kneeled in respone to those who are responsible for holding down his people...a honorable and intelligent act despite his fortune and success at being a gifted NFL athlete.

Spin is a multi-directional effect.

 

[annabenedetti]

If everyone has your attitude then the government would turn socialist and would that make you happy?

https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/three-cheers-socialism

 

[quip]

One of the biggest lies propagated by the right.

But they are too dumb to realize that.

"...thereby showing contempt for the anthem and all it stands for.." (like freedom of expression?)

A typical conservative overstatement...especially the highlighted section.

I'm still undecided whether they do this deceitful slight-of-hand on purpose or is simply just knee-jerk ignorance. :think:

 

[annabenedetti]

"...thereby showing contempt for the anthem and all it stands for.."

A typical conservative overstatement...especially the highlighted section.

I'm still undecided whether if they do this deceitful stuff on purpose or is simply just knee-jerk reaction. :think:

Or exactly "what all it stands for" means.

Does it mean "liberty and justice for all?"

Or does it mean 'America the way I want to see it: homogenized christian, white, heterosexual, patriarchal'

 

[quip]

https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/three-cheers-socialism

:bow:

Wow... excellent find Anna.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Kapernick likewise kneeled in respone to those who are responsible for holding down his people...a honorable and intelligent act despite his fortune and success at being a gifted NFL athlete.

So you think that an employee of a company has the right to be politically active on his job without any consequences? Even if that activism is hurting the business?

If you do then you know nothing about capitalism.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

You might not know anything about the history of the USA but I do. Nowdays the public schools don't teach that but in the past they did.

 

[Rusha]

"...thereby showing contempt for the anthem and all it stands for.." (like freedom of expression?)

A typical conservative overstatement...especially the highlighted section.

I'm still undecided whether they do this deceitful slight-of-hand on purpose or is simply just knee-jerk ignorance. :think:

I am going to go with number one ...

 

[Jerry Shugart]

"...thereby showing contempt for the anthem and all it stands for.." (like freedom of expression?)

There is absolutely nothing that forbids the players of the NFL from exercising their right of freedom expression. But they should not not be able to be a political activist while at work, especially if that activism results in financial loss for the company.

 

[annabenedetti]

There is absolutely nothing that forbids the players of the NFL from exercising their right of freedom expression. But they should not not be able to be a political activist while at work, especially if that activism results in financial loss for the company.

There absolutely are people like you trying to do exactly that, with the transparently flimsy excuse that the NFL might lose money.

Meanwhile:

From the Commissioner:

Roger Goodell issued a video statement on Friday saying "we were wrong for not listening to NFL players earlier" who were protesting police brutality.

And from a white player:

This wasn’t their first conversation on race. In June, the Ravens held a Zoom meeting after the death of George Floyd while in Minneapolis police custody. Offensive lineman Bradley Bozeman, who is White, learned a lot then, he said, but sitting next to his teammates for this talk opened his eyes even more. One Black teammate shared how he doesn’t want his children playing hide-and-seek in his predominantly White neighborhood at night, a reality Bozeman had never considered.

“To be in that room — it’s just different whenever you can see the emotion coming out,” Bozeman said. “Me being a White male, I never really firsthand experienced racial inequality from that side of it. ... The stories those guys told and the things they worry about with their kids, it really bothers me.”