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  • Yale professor and researcher says start using HCQ immediately as it will save lives.

    Harvey Risch, a researcher got to wondering why there was so much furor over HCQ so he started studying the results. He came to the following conclusions.

    Professor Harvey Risch, M.D., Ph.D., is a researcher at the Yale School of Public Health with a specialty in cancer etiology, prevention and early diagnosis, and epidemiologic methods.

    He recently studied the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine (used in conjunction with two other drugs) to treat people infected with COVID-19 and concluded that the approach should be “widely available” in the fight against the current pandemic.

    The results of his research are published in the American Journal of Epidemiology. Describe your findings.


    HR: COVID-19 is really two different diseases. In the first few days, it is like a very bad cold. In some people, it then morphs into pneumonia which can be life-threatening. What I found is that treatments for the cold don’t work well for the pneumonia, and vice versa. Most of the published studies have looked at treatments for the cold but used for the pneumonia. I just looked at how well the treatments for the cold worked for the cold.There are five studies done this way, four of hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin and one with hydroxychloroquine plus doxycycline, and they all show that treating the cold part of COVID-19—the early part—works very well. Do you think that these drug combinations should be used for all people with COVID-19, or only certain patients?


    HR: Most people less than 60 years old who are of healthy weight and who don’t have other conditions like heart disease or diabetes can get by without medications. But if anyone starts to have shortness of breath while doing normal activities like walking around at home, they should get medical care immediately. But the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 remains highly controversial. Why is there so much disagreement if it is effective?
    This pandemic is undoubtedly the biggest public health crisis of our time.
    Harvey Risch




    HR: I think that there has been confusion about treating the cold versus treating the pneumonia. These medications don’t seem to work so well for treating the pneumonia. As early as possible is crucial, within the first five to six days of symptoms.

    The link above to the American Journal of Epidemiology takes you to a page with the abstract of his study. On that page is a link to a pdf file that contains the abstract ,plus the entire study. Risch says, unequivically, that the use of HCQ-based regimens would save between 75,000 and 100,000 lives. he includes the usage of zinc in his recommendations.

    Read it and weep you leftist haters.
    “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
    ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

    “One and God make a majority.”
    ― Frederick Douglass

  • #2
    I am under the impression that this a scientific and medical question that we're learning more about as time goes on. It isn't a political question at all. Either it works well enough to use it, or it doesn't.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by chair View Post
      I am under the impression that this a scientific and medical question that we're learning more about as time goes on. It isn't a political question at all. Either it works well enough to use it, or it doesn't.
      Yeah, that's how you guys have always viewed HCQ. Remember this thread? Remember the thread where you all gathered together and said how unethical and uncaring I was to keep talking about the benefits of HCQ and zinc? You guys have made HCQ anything but a scientific and medical issue. Your attacks on Trump over even mentioning it were outrageous.
      “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
      ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

      “One and God make a majority.”
      ― Frederick Douglass

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post

        Yeah, that's how you guys have always viewed HCQ. Remember this thread? Remember the thread where you all gathered together and said how unethical and uncaring I was to keep talking about the benefits of HCQ and zinc? You guys have made HCQ anything but a scientific and medical issue. Your attacks on Trump over even mentioning it were outrageous.
        "you guys"?
        It woudl be useful if people woudl stop lumping everybody together into "us" and "them", "good" and "evil".

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        • #5
          Originally posted by chair View Post

          "you guys"?
          It woudl be useful if people woudl stop lumping everybody together into "us" and "them", "good" and "evil".
          LOL

          Wait..which people are you accusing of "lumping everybody together into 'us' and 'them'"? "Us", or "them"?

          What evidence do you have to support your claim that what you call "evidence" is evidence?

          MAGA (Masking America's Gullible Apes)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post

            LOL

            Wait..which people are you accusing of "lumping everybody together into 'us' and 'them'"? "Us", or "them"?
            ffreeloader. I was responding specifically to him.

            Now go back to your hole.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by chair View Post

              ffreeloader. I was responding specifically to him.
              LOL @ u don't get what is the nature of public forums.

              Was it a private message you sent to ffreeloader? If so, how is it I was able to read in this very thread, and respond to, what you wrote "specifically to" ffreeloader?

              Originally posted by chair View Post
              Now go back to your hole.
              You, kind sir, have been in a hole all along on TOL: every time I ask you a question about the many and varied stupidities you write on TOL, you throw a tantrum, amplifying the fact of your incompetence to deal with the question I asked you--always digging yourself deeper.

              So, again:

              Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post
              Wait..which people are you accusing of "lumping everybody together into 'us' and 'them'"? "Us", or "them"?


              Why are you unable, or unwilling, to answer this simple question about your own utterance?



              What evidence do you have to support your claim that what you call "evidence" is evidence?

              MAGA (Masking America's Gullible Apes)

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              • #8
                A very good video on HCQ. This video is long, but it is jam-packed with very good scientific information. The doctors doing this video treat coronavirus patients on a daily basis, and they have very positive results using it.

                “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
                ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

                “One and God make a majority.”
                ― Frederick Douglass

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                • #9
                  Here is another very good video on the safety of HCQ. In the adverse effects database the FDA uses to track adverse effects it has recorded 57 deaths from HCQ in 50 years, and that's with HCQ being used millions of times over those 50 years. As the FDA records millions of adverse events every year, 57 fatal events over 50 years is so minuscule a number it is statistically a non-event.

                  “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
                  ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

                  “One and God make a majority.”
                  ― Frederick Douglass

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                  • #10
                    Second half of the above video.

                    “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
                    ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

                    “One and God make a majority.”
                    ― Frederick Douglass

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                    • #11
                      This is a very interesting graph. It compares deaths per millions in nations that don't prescribe HCQ on a regular bases compared to nations that sell it over the counter because of malaria. The contrast is stark.

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                      “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
                      ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

                      “One and God make a majority.”
                      ― Frederick Douglass

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post

                        LOL @ u don't get what is the nature of public forums.

                        Was it a private message you sent to ffreeloader? If so, how is it I was able to read in this very thread, and respond to, what you wrote "specifically to" ffreeloader?

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                        You, kind sir, have been in a hole all along on TOL: every time I ask you a question about the many and varied stupidities you write on TOL, you throw a tantrum, amplifying the fact of your incompetence to deal with the question I asked you--always digging yourself deeper.

                        So, again:



                        Why are you unable, or unwilling, to answer this simple question about your own utterance?


                        .

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                        • #13
                          Here is another call for HCQ to be used immediately. The following is a short excerpt from this paper.

                          BOTTOM LINE: Our primary strategic objective must be to prevent ICU overwhelm, which is imminent in many US cities on our current course. It is an axiom of infectious diseases that treatment in earlier stages is more effective than treating advanced stages. Early COVID-19 treatment is more likely to prevent disease progression to critical status, which could radically lower hospitalizations and Case Fatality Rate (CFR). Current clinical drug trials are mostly focused on treating late stages of disease, when immunologic damage becomes a dominant threat.




                          We believe that trials should focus on earlier stage infection to prevent progression to advanced disease. Although our typical standard of evidence would ideally be much higher, given the urgency of the current circumstances, we believe that the current data are sufficient to recommend FDA emergency authorization for early outpatient treatment of COVID-19 with HCQ plus zinc and azithromycin (AZ). This triple combination treatment can be modified, where needed, in patients with prolonged QTc or with other health and medication contraindications at the physicians’ discretion.




                          Knowledge of COVID-19 is continuously evolving, and as such these recommendations will be updated as new information emerges.




                          OVERVIEW: ICU overload in the U.S. is impending in the very near term unless immediate actions are taken that effectively reduce hospitalization needs. In addition to the critical efforts underway to decrease R0 and increase ICU capacity, advancing early outpatient treatment with known medications may be the fastest and simplest way to decrease hospitalizations and mortality rate. Given that case fatality rate and harm to frontline healthcare workers increases dramatically when hospitals and ICUs reach capacity overload, it is imperative that all reasonable approaches to prevent that risk are employed quickly and at scale.




                          The FDA recently gave emergency authorization for hydroxychloroquine for inpatient treatment of COVID-19.[2] [3] Around the same time, France’s government authorized broader approval of HCQ for inpatient and outpatient use in infected patients after initial worldwide clinical data suggested potential benefit, especially in earlier stages of infection.[4]Most recently, on April 24th, 2020, the FDA cautioned against HCQ in outpatient and non-trial settings due to previously known cardiac risks associated with the medication, which can be largely avoided with appropriate screening and monitoring.[5] While the FDA’s cautionary position is understandable, it leaves many millions of Americans at risk of progressive COVID disease when evidence suggests this treatment is most effective when used early in outpatient settings.



                          https://coda.io/@covid-19-initiative...age-sars-cov-2
                          “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
                          ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

                          “One and God make a majority.”
                          ― Frederick Douglass

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
                            Here is another call for HCQ to be used immediately. The following is a short excerpt from this paper.

                            https://coda.io/@covid-19-initiative...age-sars-cov-2
                            Interesting. When is this from? There were high hopes for this at one point, and it was approved for emergency use by the FDA back in March, but then data accumulated that showed that the treatment was not effective, and the FDA withdrew that approval.

                            Again, this is a medical and scientific question, not a political one. It is understandable that President Trump was optimistic about it at one point, but it remains a medical issue, not a political one.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by chair View Post

                              Interesting. When is this from? There were high hopes for this at one point, and it was approved for emergency use by the FDA back in March, but then data accumulated that showed that the treatment was not effective, and the FDA withdrew that approval.

                              Again, this is a medical and scientific question, not a political one. It is understandable that President Trump was optimistic about it at one point, but it remains a medical issue, not a political one.
                              In other words, you haven't watched any of the videos to see the accumulation of evidence presented by Frontline Doctors. Just continue to stick your head in the sand and refuse to look at this honestly.

                              The HCQ controversy is anything but a scientific one. It was known to work very effectively against coronaviruses as far back as 2003. The science behind it is solid and very well understood. But, all you'll listen to is corrupt government bureaucrats and an absolutely corrupt media.

                              Did you know medical journals are almost completely dependent on advertising from big pharma? If pharma pulled their advertising not a single medical journal would survive. Think there is any corruption brought about by the billions of dollars the pharmaceutical corporations spend on advertising with the medical journals? Even the heads of major journals like Lancet and JAMA say this is the way things are, and that they are very biased for the pharmaceutical companies. You want the proof of that? Watch the videos. They are quoted by the doctors giving the press conference. And since HCQ does not generate massive amounts of cash flow for pharma it's crazy to think that pharma will work to get their new products put forward as the solutions?

                              How do "studies" get published in those journals in a matter of a couple of months knocking HCQ when just the peer review process takes a year or so, let alone the length of time it takes to do a study? And yet the journals are publishing "studies" knocking big pharmas biggest competitor, HCQ off of which they can make nothing, in just 3 or 4 months total? And you'll most likely claim that's no evidence of corruption. Yet the entire process was corrupted to print "studies" which were proven absolutely false. Studies that even I, a lay person, could look at and say they were designed to do one thing: stop the use of HCQ. The fraud was that blatant and yet it was used to stop studies of HCQ by the WHO and the FDA. Couldn't be anything corrupt in all that. Right? No corruption possible. Bureaucrats are bullet proof as far as corruption goes. They are so holy they can't be corrupted. Right? Government employees and politicians are all known to be corruption proof. Right? Never heard of a single case of corruption in government. Right? The WHO and the FDA retracted their orders to stop testing HCQ as soon as the studies, which they would have had to have read and somehow just happened to miss all the evidence was faked, as soon as the "studies" were retracted? Right? Wrong. They made pronouncements based of lies and they continued on as if the lies were true. No corruption there. Right?

                              And did you know there has been zero safety testing of vaccines since the 1980s? It's required by US law, but the government agencies tasked with doing this have admitted in court that no evidence of safety testing exists in any of their records. Think about that. These bureaucrats had to admit in court that they were in violation of the law and their own standards of behavior. Yet nothing was done about it. And the vaccines released for the coronavirus will not be safety tested either. Safety testing takes more than a year, and they are saying they have vaccines ready to be released in six months or so.

                              On top of that do you understand that there is a special court in the US where all vaccine lawsuits are handled? It's called the Vaccine Court. You know who provides the lawyers for the vaccine manufacturers? The DOJ. In other words, the US taxpayers pay to defend vaccine manufacturers. And you know who pays the damages when the vaccine manufacturers lose in court? Once again. The US taxpayer. The manufacturers don't pay a cent. Imagine that. Unlike all other product liability cases the manufacturers have zero liability when their products are proven harmful in court. Couldn't be any corruption there, could there? Could you imagine the uproar that would have been created if the tobacco companies were found liable and the US taxpayers would have had to pay their damages? And yet this corruption between government and pharma has been going on for years in silence. And you won't believe it either, will you?

                              You'll say I have to provide the facts to prove what I've said. There won't be enough of a question raised in your mind that corruption is at the bottom of all this for you to spend any time to see if I'm telling the truth. Corruption? Who cares? It's a victimless crime. Right? Only a "conspiracy theorist" would believe that any corruption exists anywhere. Right? No sane person would ever believe that corruption exists. Right? We live in a perfect world that is absolutely honest at all levels. Right?
                              “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
                              ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

                              “One and God make a majority.”
                              ― Frederick Douglass

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