Changing the Culture that killed George

[chair]

No, but it does mean that he was no innocent victim. The cop still needs to go to jail, but there is a good chance that society was spared more crime from a congenital criminal. If someone does five stints in prison, the last for armed robbery, they have sure committed hundreds of other crimes they never got caught for.

His criminal record makes no difference, as you well know.

 

[User Name]

His criminal record makes no difference, as you well know.

To me, it helps to put the situation in a more proper perspective. It isn't clear to me that the police intended to kill Floyd, or knew that he was dying when they had him on the ground. Floyd was a bad guy, a felon, but the mainstream media calls him a "gentle giant." The media is attempting to portray a false narrative here. They are literally lying to the American public and trying to radicalize us with this false narrative. This whole situation is a blatant example of mainstream media propaganda at its worst.

 

[ok doser]

His criminal record makes no difference, as you well know.

It would have made a difference to Floyd. It would have explained WHY he was reluctant to be arrested again, WHY he resisted arrest.

 

[The Berean]

To me, it helps to put the situation in a more proper perspective. It isn't clear to me that the police intended to kill Floyd, or knew that he was dying when they had him on the ground. Floyd was a bad guy, a felon, but the mainstream media calls him a "gentle giant." The media is attempting to portray a false narrative here. They are literally lying to the American public and trying to radicalize us with this false narrative. This whole situation is a blatant example of mainstream media propaganda at its worst.

Floyd's crimes span from 13-23 years ago. Did you know he gave his life to Christ? Jesus Christ washed his sins away and he became a new creation. The George Floyd who committed crimes died on that day. The George Floyd who was murdered by those police officers was not the same man, spiritually, who committed those crimes. Floyd moved to Minneapolis in 2014 to start a new life and committed himself to help youth avoid the life of crime he had been part of in his younger years. He taught bible study classes at his local church and was involved in local outreach programs.

So, yes, Floyd was a "bad guy" (a sinner) just the like rest of us. Then, he repented, turned from a life of crime, and accepted Christ and became a man of God.

 

[User Name]

Floyd's crimes span from 13-23 years ago. Did you know he gave his life to Christ?

Did he now? Floyd's autopsy report shows that "...Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of his death..." -- https://www.npr.org/sections/live-up...or-coronavirus

What was this saintly man of God doing with hard street drugs in his system?

 

[ok doser]

Floyd's crimes span from 13-23 years ago. Did you know he gave his life to Christ? Jesus Christ washed his sins away and he became a new creation. The George Floyd who committed crimes died on that day. The George Floyd who was murdered by those police officers was not the same man, spiritually, who committed those crimes. Floyd moved to Minneapolis in 2014 to start a new life and committed himself to help youth avoid the life of crime he had been part of in his younger years. He taught bible study classes at his local church and was involved in local outreach programs.

So, yes, Floyd was a "bad guy" (a sinner) just the like rest of us. Then, he repented, turned from a life of crime, and accepted Christ and became a man of God.

That would be nice to believe, and I pray that he was saved, but it appears he was backsliding.

Regardless, he didn't deserve to die, and there's nothing in police procedural manuals to justify the treatment he received.

 

[The Berean]

Did he now? Floyd's autopsy report shows that "...Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of his death..." -- https://www.npr.org/sections/live-up...or-coronavirus

Yes, he did give his life To Christ as attested by MANY people who knew him. He was also water baptized. So if he truly gave his life to Christ is now in the presence in the LORD.

What was this saintly man of God doing with hard street drugs in his system?

No different than the believers who struggle with alcoholism or any other vice.

 

[The Berean]

That would be nice to believe, and I pray that he was saved, but it appears he was backsliding.

A definite possibility. I've been trying to find for detailed information about his life, his struggles, his Christian faith. There's quite a bit of conflicting information out there.

Regardless, he didn't deserve to die, and there's nothing in police procedural manuals to justify the treatment he received.

Very true. It will be interesting to see how the court case unfolds.

I have a brother who just retired after 16 years of being a sheriff's deputy. We talked at length about what happened to George Floyd. My brother told me that he has never seen any law enforcement officer put his knee on someone's knee like that. He also told me at least in his department they were trained not to do that at all. My brother was specifically trained how to engage an assailant and how not to. They cannot strike an assailant in the throat, neck, head or joints. If the assailant is a woman they cannot strike her in the chest. He also doesn't understand why officer Chauvin had his knee on Floyd's neck for so long. That made no sense to him. My brother agreed the officers were in the clear wrong and rightly are charged with murder.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Originally posted by ok doser View Post

George Floyd?

Yeah that was pretty lame I have a very good friend who is "George Foley" who I write a lot to . . . . O well, my error

Evidently you were so broken up by the death of the 6'7" heroin addict who was detained for suspicion of passing a counterfeit bill (a felony) that you couldn't even get his name right.

I would love to discuss this incident with you. How about we start with getting his name right: "St. George", as black criminals seem to be given sainthood by the left and by many who claim to be on the right.

 

[Gary K]

There is a lot of info that is missing in this thread. The cop who knelt of George Floyd's neck and George Floyd knew each other. They worked together as security at the same nightclub. And that nightclub has a very high probability of being an intelligence operation by US intelligence services. It follows the pattern of being an intelligence operation very closely. The club opened at the same time that Minneapolis became a hotbed of Muslim fundraising for Islamic terrorism. It has been used as a way to insert undercover agents into the Muslim community there.

I think there is zero chance of this having anything to do with racism whatever.

I don't have the link right now but the guy who wrote the article that exposed this has a long history working with intelligence services and is an outstanding researcher. I'll post the link when I have the time to find it.

 

[User Name]

Apparently, George Floyd had drugs in his possession at the time of his arrest. He managed to ditch a small "baggie" containing a white substance without the police noticing, but it was caught on a security camera. Here is a link to that security camera footage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IhyTi1ve0s

 

[God's Truth]

George Floyd died at the hand(s) of the police in their normal course of doing business. What we witnessed, is the ingrained culture of police departments in many places. There is a simple way to fix that problem.

For what ever reason the cop(s) who caused the death of George Floyd can be seen in broad daylight committing the act that caused his death.
For what ever reason the cop(s) did what they did, with no fear, no worry of getting fired, or being charged, or being admonished, or being judged in any manner whatsoever.
For what ever reason the cop(s) exist in a culture that I/we do not, and we can not easily understand.

The solution goes back to before our constitution and the meaning of a "jury", or more accurately a jury of ones "peers".


I for one, as police departments presently exist in our nation, do not feel that I am a peer of a police officer, . . . I have no idea what we ask/expect them to do on a daily basis. It is my opinion and my belief that our society wrongly ask police to do things that we can't and do not want to do/face ourselves.

"If" cop(s) were judged only by their peers, over time (not immediately), good cops (whatever that turns out to be) would turn on the bad cops, and that is the only way the culture in the police department will change. The military have their own justice system for precisely those reasons. We ask soldiers to do things that we don't /can't fully understand.

In front of a jury of one peers, a cop can speak in the figures of speech that only cops understand! They will get a just hearing. Over time, cops will not stand by their partners while their partners are doing something that they would condemn.

Simple solutions are the only ones that work and this simple change would work over the course of a couple years.

I think the paramedics made sure he didn't live when they didn't give him first aid on site.

The police, ambulance technicians, hospital staff---do wrong to white, black, poor, old, young, and even the disabled.

The court system is crooked too.

 

[God's Truth]

Almost 20 minutes long but worth watch until the very end.

 

[User Name]

It isn't clear to me that the police intended to kill Floyd, or knew that he was dying when they had him on the ground.

chair Having become aware of more facts surrounding the death of George Floyd, I am now almost certain that it was an execution. There are still lots of questions to be answered, however.

Remember the 1980s movie "Star Chamber"? This killing might have been something like that, I suspect. What I don't understand is why they did it out in the open for the public to see.

 

[ok doser]

 

[eider]

George Floyd died at the hand(s) of the police in their normal course of doing business. What we witnessed, is the ingrained culture of police departments in many places. There is a simple way to fix that problem.

"If" cop(s) were judged only by their peers, over time (not immediately),

In front of a jury of one peers, a cop can speak in the figures of speech that only cops understand! They will get a just hearing. Over time, cops will not stand by their partners while their partners are doing something that they would condemn.

Simple solutions are the only ones that work and this simple change would work over the course of a couple years.

Hi..............
I read your proposals............. these are mine:-

1. There should be a standard national training course for police recruitment staff. This could help to align the mindsets within these depts.
2. There should be a standard national police training induction course curriculum, with secondary courses to meet the needs of different states.
3. All police training staff should be trained and qualified in the 'general delivery of teaching to adult learners'.
4. All police training staff should be trained and qualified as police trainers to deliver the standard (and individual state) learning packages.
5. All specialist course trainers must take and qualify in 2,3, and 4, as well as in their specialised disciplines.
6. Field Training: Experienced police officers should be trained and qualified to deliver field training to the standards above.
7. There should be training review courses for ALL police officers every 4-4 years, no exceptions. Where a delegate is identified as 'traima' or 'incident' affected these people should be desk-bound, counselled and cleared before they can continue as field officers.
8. There should be post trauma and post incident counselling for all police officers on a regular basis.

At this time (I'll bet) some police field training officers undo induction training in recruits by giving them the 'Forget that rubbish, this is the real world now' line and then totally fill their minds up with prejudice.

After a time each police officer begins to see the civilian world as a bunch of morons who can cause trouble and who make their work so difficult. Training reviews and counselling can reset their mindsets to 'balanced' service delivery attitudes.

Everybody Anybody can make mistakes....... which lead to complaints, allegations, indictments and/or charges. Mistakes can be trained away, and States should pay suitable compensation fairly and fast to any and all victims.

Only a few will use their positions to commit crimes of theft, deception, bribery etc...... these should be tried by Internal Affairs judges.
Only a few will slip through the nets to commit Intentional or Reckless conduct leading to death or injury. These need to be tried in Criminal Courts

 

[ok doser]

Hi..............
I read your proposals............. these are mine:-

1. There should be a standard national training course for police recruitment staff. This could help to align the mindsets within these depts.
2. There should be a standard national police training induction course curriculum, with secondary courses to meet the needs of different states.
3. All police training staff should be trained and qualified in the 'general delivery of teaching to adult learners'.
4. All police training staff should be trained and qualified as police trainers to deliver the standard (and individual state) learning packages.
5. All specialist course trainers must take and qualify in 2,3, and 4, as well as in their specialised disciplines.
6. Field Training: Experienced police officers should be trained and qualified to deliver field training to the standards above.
7. There should be training review courses for ALL police officers every 4-4 years, no exceptions. Where a delegate is identified as 'traima' or 'incident' affected these people should be desk-bound, counselled and cleared before they can continue as field officers.
8. There should be post trauma and post incident counselling for all police officers on a regular basis.

At this time (I'll bet) some police field training officers undo induction training in recruits by giving them the 'Forget that rubbish, this is the real world now' line and then totally fill their minds up with prejudice.

After a time each police officer begins to see the civilian world as a bunch of morons who can cause trouble and who make their work so difficult. Training reviews and counselling can reset their mindsets to 'balanced' service delivery attitudes.

Everybody Anybody can make mistakes....... which lead to complaints, allegations, indictments and/or charges. Mistakes can be trained away, and States should pay suitable compensation fairly and fast to any and all victims.

Only a few will use their positions to commit crimes of theft, deception, bribery etc...... these should be tried by Internal Affairs judges.
Only a few will slip through the nets to commit Intentional or Reckless conduct leading to death or injury. These need to be tried in Criminal Courts

Isn't that cute

The foreign national has all the answers for what the MSM has been telling him are OUR problems. :chuckle:

 

[tieman55]

The culture did not kill him. That is bullcrap.

A bad cop killed a man, and the bad cop has been charged and will go before a jury. The system works. That's all there is to this. All the rest is hate and lies and politics and race-baiting and propaganda.

George Floyd's life was taken without the due process of law, by law enforcers. His life was taken in broad daylight, like it was in the normal course of business for the law enforcers.

That can only happen in a corrupt culture. A culture that is far and away from the due process of law.

You and I have allowed this to happen and the solution is to let police have their own courts / justice system because the police in the inner city's are much closer to soldiers.

Police are generally suppose to be "reactive" to crime. But in the inner city, reacting to crime is generally not enough to keep the peace and or allow the police officer to stay alive. The police end up acting more proactive. They end up acting more like the military, where they see people on the streets as mostly the enemy. They are not far off in there assessment of their "advisories".

You are right that the cop(s) who killed Mr. Floyd will go before a jury, but that jury will not include a police officer and that is precisely why cops stick together. That is not my idea of a "system" that works.

 

[User Name]

George Floyd's life was taken without the due process of law, by law enforcers. His life was taken in broad daylight, like it was in the normal course of business for the law enforcers.

Who would have guessed that George Floyd was almost as bad a criminal as the cop who killed him? https://www.reddit.com/r/fakenews/comments/gsq6vv/george_floyd_wasnt_innocent_this_is_his_criminal/

That can only happen in a corrupt culture.

The culture that produced George Floyd is also corrupt, to the core.

 

[tieman55]

The culture that produced George Floyd is also corrupt, to the core.

Good point, even perhaps even a bit understated . . . . . . .

In fact, I believe, an argument could be made and sustained that the culture that produced George Floyd came first and that the police are purely reactionaries to the culture of liberalism.