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  • #16
    Originally posted by Lon View Post

    From here https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE...vaccine-619101 There was a promising and hopeful cure. Is it or anything similar being implemented? Or have they also started using Choroquine? Thank you. -Lon
    As you might know, we have a reputation for innovation, and a lot of start ups. Apparently a couple of these start-ups had been working on relevant projects long before the crisis hit, and there are definitely some trials going ahead to check if these vaccines or cures really do the trick. I think it's too early to say if they really work. I also don't personally know what is actually done in the hospitals here.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by chair View Post

      As you might know, we have a reputation for innovation, and a lot of start ups. Apparently a couple of these start-ups had been working on relevant projects long before the crisis hit, and there are definitely some trials going ahead to check if these vaccines or cures really do the trick. I think it's too early to say if they really work. I also don't personally know what is actually done in the hospitals here.
      A few of those here in the U.S. as well, but Israel articles seemed to be optimistically promising. It doesn't matter who comes up with the cure[s]. I hope it is soon. One study is taking plasma from those who recovered and giving transfusions to the very ill, in hopes that something natural will heal. Another is giving a weakened form to healthy volunteers hoping it'll prove a viable inoculation. Of course Chloroquine and other anti-virals are being tested as well. I'm rooting for them all, praying and hoping they will be able to save lives. -Lon
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      • #18
        Took another look at the stats and if the metro NYC area had the same prevalence as the rest of the country, our overall national stats would be below those of Germany

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        • #19

          America Shouldn’t Have to Play by New York Rules




          A national lockdown is bad medicine and worse politics.






          In 1976, the artist Saul Steinberg drew a cover for The New Yorker — “View of the World from Ninth Avenue” — that became an instant classic. You know the one: Manhattan heavily in the foreground, the Hudson River, a brownish strip called “Jersey,” the rest of the America vaguely in the distance.

          It could almost be a map of the coronavirus epidemic in the United States.
          Even now, it is stunning to contemplate the extent to which the country’s Covid-19 crisis is a New York crisis — by which I mean the city itself along with its wider metropolitan area.

          As of Friday, there have been more Covid-19 fatalities on Long Island’s Nassau County (population 1.4 million) than in all of California (population 40 million). There have been more fatalities in Westchester County (989) than in Texas (611). The number of Covid deaths per 100,000 residents in New York City (132) is more than 16 times what it is in America’s next largest city, Los Angeles (8). If New York City proper were a state, it would have suffered more fatalities than 41 other states combined.

          It isn’t hard to guess why. New York has, by far, the highest population density in the U.S. among cities of 100,000 or more. Commuters crowd trains, office workers crowd elevators, diners crowd restaurants. No other American city has the same kind of jammed pedestrian life as New York — Times Square alone gets 40 million visitors a year — or as many residents packed into high-rises. The city even has a neighborhood called Corona, which, it turns out, has among the highest rates of coronavirus infections.

          Consider a thought experiment in which metropolitan New York weren’t just its own state, but its own country. What would the crisis for what remained of America look like, then? In this slightly smaller nation of a little more than 300 million people, the death toll would amount to about 7.5 per 100,000, slightly above Germany’s levels.


          https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/o...-lockdown.html


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          • #20

            De Blasio, NYC Officials Downplayed COVID-19 Threat After Trump Restricted Travel to China. Here Are 5 Examples.



            https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/03/...re-5-examples/


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            • #21
              The Failure of Cuomo and DeBlasio

              1) Recent studies tracing the origins of COVID-19 in New York and New Jersey have concluded that it entered through JFK International before the ban on European flights and not from China!

              2) Neither the Governor nor the Mayor are responsible for creating a COVID-19 test to detect the virus on international flights coming into JFK - that responsibility lies with the CDC, a federal agency in the Trump Administration!

              3) JFK International in the major eastern entry point for flights coming to the USA and is served by over 90 different airlines that handle approximately 61 million passengers a year.

              4) That averages 5 million passengers per month, which is more than the total population of many Republican states that aren't exposed to the medical problems associated with a major international airport!

              5) Although the New York Port Authority operates the JFK facility, the FFA, a federal agency in the Department of Transportation, is responsible for all aviation matters in the nation.

              6) As the President is so fond of reminding us of his decision to ban flights from China, neither the Governor nor the Mayor of New York have the authority to ban international flights even if they are entering into their jurisdictions!

              7) Unlike the President, the Governor and the Mayor do not receive daily briefings from America's intelligence agencies and are therefore not in a position to received advanced warnings of a worldwide pandemic!
              Last edited by jgarden; April 27th, 2020, 04:27 PM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by jgarden View Post
                The Failure of Cuomo and DeBlasio

                1) Recent studies tracing the origins of COVID-19 in New York and New Jersey have concluded that it entered through JFK International before the ban on European flights and not from China!
                Perhaps!

                I've seen the studies!

                They're certainly not definitive!

                2) Neither the Governor nor the Mayor are responsible for creating a COVID-18 test to detect the virus - that's the responsibility of the CDC, a federal agency in the Trump Administration!
                Good job Canadian!

                You've been applying your obsession with MY President and are actually learning how my country works!


                The following details a failure of the Governor and Mayor (and others!) to properly manage their responsibilities in the early days of the crisis!


                De Blasio, NYC Officials Downplayed COVID-19 Threat After Trump Restricted Travel to China. Here Are 5 Examples.





                https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/03/...re-5-examples/


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                • #23
                  Originally posted by ok doser View Post

                  Perhaps!

                  I've seen the studies!

                  They're certainly not definitive!

                  Good job Canadian!

                  You've been applying your obsession with MY President and are actually learning how my country works!

                  The following details a failure of the Governor and Mayor (and others!) to properly manage their responsibilities in the early days of the crisis!


                  De Blasio, NYC Officials Downplayed COVID-19 Threat After Trump Restricted Travel to China. Here Are 5 Examples.

                  https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/03/...re-5-examples/

                  1) The Italy- New York link makes more sense than China - New York link.

                  2) The President has his daily briefings from his intelligence agencies but he was still in denial in early March, information comes with added responsibility

                  3) Without access to testing, the Governor and the Mayor were operating in the dark - they had no idea as to how far the virus had spread until it was too late

                  4) Even if they had known, neither the Governor nor the Mayor were in a position to stop international flights in their jurisdiction

                  5) 5 million passengers a month, approximately 170,000 a day, places New York on the frontline during a worldwide pandemic
                  Last edited by jgarden; April 26th, 2020, 03:21 PM.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by jgarden View Post
                    1) The Italy- New York link makes more sense than China - New York link.

                    2) The President has his daily briefings from his intelligence agencies but he was still in denial in early March, information comes added responsibility

                    3) Without access testing the Governor and the Mayor were operating in the dark - they had no idea as to spread of the virus until it was too late

                    4) Even if they had known, neither the Governor nor the Mayor were in a position to stop international flights into their jurisdiction

                    5) 5 million passengers a month, approximately 170,000 a day, places New York under huge exposure to disease during a worldwide pandemic




                    The following details a failure of the Governor and Mayor (and others!) to properly manage their responsibilities in the early days of the crisis!


                    De Blasio, NYC Officials Downplayed COVID-19 Threat After Trump Restricted Travel to China. Here Are 5 Examples.





                    https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/03/...re-5-examples/


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                    • #25
                      74% of the new deaths reported so far today are in the Metro NYC area

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                        I've written elsewhere about how the story of the Chinese Virus in the US is largely the story of the ineptitude of the Mayor of NYC and the Governor of NYS. Roughly half of all US cases of Covid-19 are in the metropolitan NYC area, including NJ and Conn. I was prompted to start this thread by this news story, which I just heard on the CBC in disbelief - here we are six, seven, eight weeks into this "pandemic" (depending on where you start counting) and Cuomo has finally realized that the NYC subway system and public buses might be a problem. You couldn't make this stuff up.



                        Masks will be mandatory on all MTA transit starting Friday


                        Face masks or coverings will be mandatory for customers on MTA subways, buses and other forms of mass transit as of Friday, according to the agency.

                        The agency said Wednesday that it is part of Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s executive order requiring face coverings in busy places during the coronavirus pandemic.

                        “Pursuant to the Governor’s Executive Order, all customers will be required to wear a face covering while traveling with us during this pandemic, effective Friday April 17,” MTA Chairman Pat Foye said in a statement.

                        “Wearing masks and other face coverings in public will help stop the spread and ultimately save lives.”

                        Foye’s comments echoed Cuomo’s from earlier in the day that “if you’re going to get on public transit, you’re going to get on a bus, you’re going to get on a subway, you’re going to stand on a subway platform… you must wear a mask or cloth or an attractive bandanna or a color-coordinated bandanna cloth.”

                        The MTA has been mired by reports of dangerously-crowded subways and buses after officials slashed service to cope with thousands of workers calling out sick due to the coronavirus.

                        At least 59 transit workers have died from COVID-19, and Foye himself tested positive for the virus. The MTA only began giving its own workers masks in late March.

                        The toll has raised alarm among front-line workers concerned about crowds and the large numbers of homeless riding and living on trains.

                        “The riders are pissed, especially the last two weeks,” one train operator told The Post. “I’ve never seen them like that. They’re outright yelling.”

                        “You have people yelling at us, [that] they paid their fare and shouldn’t be subjected to that. And we agree, but there’s nothing we can do.”

                        https://nypost.com/2020/04/15/masks-...arting-friday/
                        Trump's commencement speech is requiring 1,000 West Point cadets return to campus for graduation amid the coronavirus pandemic
                        April 26, 2020


                        President Donald Trump's recent announcement he'd be speaking at West Point's graduation ceremony stunned officials at the school and raised serious concerns about the safety of the 1,000 cadets who are being recalled as a result, The New York Times reported on Friday.

                        Universities across the US have sent students home due to the novel coronavirus, which causes the disease COVID-19. West Point cadets were ordered to stay home at the end of their spring break in March as the coronavirus outbreak in the US escalated.

                        The graduation ceremony had initially been postponed due to the coronavirus pandemic, but Trump's April 17 announcement reportedly kicked planning for the event into gear.

                        "I'm doing it at West Point, which I look forward to," Trump said at the daily White House press briefing a little over a week ago. "I did it last year at Air Force, I did it at Annapolis, I did it at the Coast Guard Academy, and I'm doing it at West Point. And I assume they're — they've got it, and I understand they'll have distancing. They'll have some big distance, and so it'll be very different than it ever looked."

                        https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...-speech-2020-4
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                        Given that our resident "conservatives" are now shedding "crocodile tears" about the plight of New Yorkers on the subway and the "irresponsible" demands of the Governor and Mayor that they wear masks, perhaps they could direct some of that "self-righteous indignation at a President who wants the graduating class of West Point to reconvene so as to provide him with the"photo op" of providing the commencement address!

                        Apparently the announcement stunned school officials, West Point which is located an hour outside New York City, the America epicentre of the COVID-19 pandemic, had received no advanced warning prior to the President's public announcement and have expressed concerns for the welfare of their 1000 cadets!
                        Last edited by jgarden; April 27th, 2020, 04:29 PM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by jgarden View Post
                          Given that our resident ...
                          Resident New Yorker.

                          I am a New Yorker, an American. Not a resident of NYC.

                          In a similar way many of my friends are Ontarians, Canadians. Not Torontonians.


                          Cuomo is my Governor. Deblasio is NOT my Mayor.

                          And we don't have Reeves .




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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by jgarden
                            ... justify this President's announcement ...

                            there's no justification necessary, certainly not to a foreign national with an irrational obsessive pathological hatred of another country's leader - it's his call as Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces.


                            He plays the role QE2 does in your country, through her surrogate Payette

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                            • #29
                              The Failure of Cuomo and DeBlasio

                              Cuomo's response to COVID-19 gives him highest approval ...
                              www.democratandchronicle.com › politics › albany › 2020/04/27 › c...
                              ​​​Cuomo's response to COVID-19 gives him highest approval rating. ...


                              Election Approval Rating - Governor ... - RealClearPolitics
                              www.realclearpolitics.com › governor_cuomo_job_approval-3502
                              RealClearPolitics - Election Approval Rating - Governor Cuomo Job Approval.


                              87% of NYers Approve of Cuomo's Handling of the Coronavirus
                              scri.siena.edu › Political
                              Posted By: Siena College Research Institute March 30, 2020 ... Cuomo's favorability rating jumped to 71-23 percent this month, up dramatically from 44-50 ...


                              Andrew Cuomo's approval rating soars amid coronavirus: poll
                              nypost.com › 2020/03/30 › new-yorkers-approve-of-cuomos-respons...
                              Mar 30, 2020 - Despite the disruptions, Cuomo's favorability rating jumped to 71 to 23 percent — marking a dramatic increase from a February poll that ...


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                              Despite the conservative critics, Governor Cuomo has been receiving higher approval ratings, while those of this President continue to decline - both are conducting daily briefings, but one has only to observe the performance of both to as to determine as to why the Governor has achieved far more public support!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by jgarden View Post
                                The Failure of Cuomo and DeBlasio

                                Yes

                                their failure to protect the populations they were responsible for is the direct cause of the horrendous mess Metro NYC finds itself in

                                the rest of the state (my county has 60 confirmed cases, 0 deaths) and the rest of the country is doing about as well as Germany and Canada

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