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  • #16
    Originally posted by Trump Gurl View Post

    Well, there is one vote for destroying jobs, making us energy dependent again, infanticide, socialism, tax payer money to illegal aliens, men allowed in my bathroom, and massive taxes.
    1. Donald Trump's tax cuts for his billionaire friends didn't create jobs. They used that money to do stock buy backs. Not to employ more people. 'You know who is actually going to create jobs? Bernie Sanders. Between the federal job guarantee and the Green New Deal he is going to utterly destroy gig economy and give millions of people stable, full time, good paying jobs.

    2. Scientists are telling us that we have until 2030 to curtail our carbon emissions or there is going to be irreparable damage to the planet. Also, Trump hasn't made us energy independent. That's why he sent US soldiers, without congressional approval, to guard Saudi Arabian oil fields. The US is just as beholden to a muslim theocracy as it has been for 40+ years now. You know who is going to make us energy independent? Bernie Sanders. With the Green New Deal, he is going to get us completely off of fossil fuels (and, thus, cut off our dependence on middle eastern muslim theocracies) and create millions of good paying jobs.

    3. Abortion is not a living political issue. Learn to read polls.

    4. Yeah, calling Bernie Sanders a socialist is totally going to bring down his approval rating. They've been doing it for years, and it's TOTALLY hurt him. #sarcasm

    The 1980s called and they want their cold war rhetoric back. Bernie Sanders is the most popular senator in the country, and if you go issue by issue, the American public agrees with him on almost every issue. Learn to read a poll.

    5. Medicare for all net saves money. It is projected to save anywhere from 2 trillion to 12 trillion dollars over the course of a 10 year period. The most recent study shows it saving 4.5 trillion dollars over 10 years. Why? Because it gets rid of 400 billion dollars of administrative costs every year and the 100 billion dollars in greedy profiteering that health insurance companies make every year.

    The US pays twice as much per capita as EVERY OTHER DEVELOPED COUNTRY on healthcare. The US pays much more than EVERY OTHER DEVELOPED COUNTRY on prescription drugs.

    Bernie Sanders is going to bring us in line with every other developed country on earth and massively bring down the cost of healthcare. Even if there are some illegal immigrants who end up getting healthcare, you'll still end up with way more money in your pocket at the end of the year.

    Unless you particularly wealthy, which I'm willing to bet you not.

    6. You know who is in favor of allowing men in dresses into your restrooms? Donald Trump. "Transgender people can use whatever bathroom they want in Trump hotels." You think Donald Trump cares about social issues? Behind closed doors, Donald Trump laughs at Mike Pence over his religiosity and his concern over social issues.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-...g-gays-n811086

    7. Bernie Sanders' economic policies are actually going to result in average workers having more money, not less money, in their pockets at the end of the year.

    You know who is going to pay massive taxes? Billionaires.

    You know who SHOULD pay massive taxes? Billionaires.

    You know who shouldn't even exist? Billionaires.

    Bernie Sanders is going tax billionaires out of existence. He is going to take a hammer to monopolies and big banks and BREAK THEM UP. And he is going to throw fossil fuels CEOS in jail.

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    • #17
      Making America Great Again

      Trump's accomplishments:
      • Almost 6 million jobs created since election.
      • More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
      • We have created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since the election.
      • Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
      • Economic growth last year hit 4.2 percent and is still robust as needed
      • New unemployment claims recently hit a 50-year low.
      • Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
      • African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
      • Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
      • Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
      • Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
      • Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
      • Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
      • Veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
      • Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
      • The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. We are committed to VOCATIONAL education.
      • 95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.
      • Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
      • As a result of the tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
      • Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
      • Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.
      • Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
      • Record number of regulations eliminated.
      • Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
      • Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
      • Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
      • Reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.
      • Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
      • Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.
      • United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
      • Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
      • Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.
      • NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.
      • Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.
      • Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
      • Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.
      • Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.
      • Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
      • Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.
      • Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
      • Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.
      • Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
      • Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.
      • Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
      • Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.
      • Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.
      • Begun BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Traditio View Post
        7. Bernie Sanders' economic policies are actually going to result in average workers having more money, not less money, in their pockets at the end of the year.

        You know who is going to pay massive taxes? Billionaires.

        You know who SHOULD pay massive taxes? Billionaires.

        You know who shouldn't even exist? Billionaires.

        Bernie Sanders is going tax billionaires out of existence. He is going to take a hammer to monopolies and big banks and BREAK THEM UP. And he is going to throw fossil fuels CEOS in jail.
        That sounds like something from Communist Russia or even Red China...

        A horror story.

        Sorry, but even taxing all the richest people in the world wouldn't solve our money problems.

        https://youtu.be/661pi6K-8WQ

        Also, I'd rather work for a billionaire than for someone who has very little money.

        You make it sound like billionaires are the problem here, yet completely ignore places like Venezuela which are utterly socialist and NO billionaires and their nation is completely collapsing while ours is getting along well, if not thriving.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post

          You make it sound like billionaires are the problem here, yet completely ignore places like Venezuela which are utterly socialist and NO billionaires and their nation is completely collapsing while ours is getting along well, if not thriving.
          I think you are right about Trad's tangent on billionaires, although I think most of the rest of Trad's post to which you are replying checks out. However, it is not right or fair to compare the so-called "socialism" of Venezuela (or Cuba) to the democratic socialism of Bernie Sanders. Venezuela is a corrupt dictatorship, and Maduro (along with Chavez before him) hoarded some of Venezuela's wealth for himself and his family. That is not what Bernie Sanders advocates, as you must well know.

          So far as I'm aware, this is the form of democratic socialism that Bernie Sanders advocates: "The idea of social democracy is now used to describe a society the economy of which is predominantly capitalist, but where the state acts to regulate the economy in the general interest, provides welfare services outside of it and attempts to alter the distribution of income and wealth in the name of social justice." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
          Last edited by User Name; February 23rd, 2020, 03:53 PM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Traditio View Post
            This is a talking point that right wingers love to repeat, but it's not true. The Trump economy looks a lot like the Obama economy
            That is such a false statement, with so much data out there to contradict it, that I can safely call it a LIE.

            Obama engaged in massive taxes and massive regulation, he had the highest corporate tax rates in the world, he starved the energy sector, and the tiny bit of anemic growth he had was despite him, not because of him.

            Trump has freed business from the yoke of regulation, brought tax rates back to competitive levels, and has made us energy independent for the firs time in decades. For the first time in decades we are a new energy exporter not an importer.

            Trump reached GDP at one point of 4% which Obama said was impossible. Trump has brought back the jobs that Obama said were never coming back.

            Trumps policies are the exact opposite of Obama's and now we have the lowest unemployment in 50 years.

            You should be ashamed of yourself posting such lies.

            AND NOW COMES SANDERS who would be a catastrophic disaster with his borderline communism. He will destroy all the good things accomplished under Trump. Only an absolute retarded tool would vote for that insane Communist.

            Thank God it won't happen. If Sanders is nominated Trump will destroy him, absolutely, and I will be here the day after the election to rub it all up in your face.


            No, Obama doesn't deserve credit for Trump's economyv
            https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...trumps-economy

            Sorry Obama, But It's Trump's Economic Boom, Not Yours
            https://www.investors.com/politics/e...oming-economy/

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            • #21
              Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post

              That sounds like something from Communist Russia or even Red China...

              A horror story.

              Sorry, but even taxing all the richest people in the world wouldn't solve our money problems.

              https://youtu.be/661pi6K-8WQ

              Also, I'd rather work for a billionaire than for someone who has very little money.

              You make it sound like billionaires are the problem here, yet completely ignore places like Venezuela which are utterly socialist and NO billionaires and their nation is completely collapsing while ours is getting along well, if not thriving.

              Billionaires are successful people. Like middle class people they come in all flavors, Left and Right, Christian or other.

              Demonizing them is straight from the Communist talking points. The point of it is to cause hate and anger and cause people to revolt and rise up. That is why it is not only dumb but it is also dangerous.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Traditio View Post
                1. Donald Trump's tax cuts for his billionaire friends didn't create jobs
                OMG. That is pure fake news. Unbelievable, and scary too. "Tax Cuts for Billionaires". lol lol

                When corporate tax rates were brought back down to competitive rates with other countries THAT DID create jobs, so you lie. Just because some billionaires happen to benefit from those cuts does not mean that they are "Tax Cuts for Billionaires." You lie again.

                Restructuring tax rates to make them competitive with other countries, and eliminating costly regulations, and the two simple things that Trump did to unleash American economic power and create jobs. It is sad that you are so deep in your fake news that you cannot see that.

                Thank God it is all academic discussion because Sanders will not win. Trump will continue to make your life better even if you are too blind to know it.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Trump Gurl View Post
                  AND NOW COMES SANDERS who would be a catastrophic disaster with his borderline communism.
                  "Yes, democratic socialism is compatible with Catholic social teaching" -- https://www.americamagazine.org/poli...ocial-teaching

                  From The Catechism of the Catholic Church:
                  .
                  A theory that makes profit the exclusive norm and ultimate end of economic activity is morally unacceptable. The disordered desire for money cannot but produce perverse effects. It is one of the causes of the many conflicts which disturb the social order...The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with "communism" or "socialism." She has likewise refused to accept, in the practice of "capitalism," individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor. Regulating the economy solely by centralized planning perverts the basis of social bonds; regulating it solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for "there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market." Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended. -- http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a7.htm#2424
                  Last edited by User Name; February 23rd, 2020, 04:49 PM.

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                  • #24
                    Trad is back! Welcome back Traditio.

                    I do find it a bit odd that you support Bernie Sanders since Sanders had publicly stated that he would grant illegal immigrants many rights. That means more Mexicans will come to America and we all know how you you feel about having Mexicans coming to the US.

                    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/07/bern...c-primary.html

                    Sanders’ plan sets out sprawling goals on an issue that has repeatedly proven intractable in Congress. Here are some of the key points of the senator’s immigration proposal:

                    Sanders said he would “negotiate trade deals that strengthen, not undermine, the rights of workers in the United States and abroad, and oppose any new agreement that do not meet adequate labor standards.” While the plan does not specifically say he would toss out Trump’s United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, he has opposed the deal as it currently stands, saying it will not go far enough to protect workers.

                    The senator would also start a program to accept at least 50,000 migrants displaced by climate change during his first year in office.

                    Sanders also says his signature universal health-care plan, “Medicare for All,” would “provide comprehensive care to everyone in America,” regardless of immigration status.
                    Sanders aims to set up what his campaign calls a “whistleblower visa” to encourage immigrant workers to speak out against exploitative behavior by employers without fear of blowback or deportation. He would also seek to end workplace raids targeting undocumented workers. In addition, the senator would push to boost protections and bargaining power for farm and domestic workers, including by requiring a $15 per hour minimum wage, regardless of immigration status.

                    He would use executive authority to push through several policies immediately after taking office. It would include a moratorium on deportations, ending construction of Trump’s border wall and the restriction on travel from several majority Muslim countries to the U.S., reuniting separated children and parents, and stopping the use of for-profit detention facilities.

                    Sanders wants to expand upon Obama-era programs to protect migrants from deportation. He would give legal status to the 1.8 million young migrants eligible for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, the Obama-era policy that Trump has pushed to end. DACA allows certain people brought to the U.S. illegally as children to be shielded from deportation for two years and allows them to work or get an education in the U.S. The Vermont senator would also aim to extend protections for parents of certain migrants.

                    The presidential candidate would push Congress to pass a law establishing a pathway to citizenship for 11 million undocumented immigrants.

                    Sanders would put unauthorized border crossings in the same category as overstaying a work visa, making it a civil rather than criminal violation.

                    He would aim to expand immigration courts and make temporary shelter for migrants more humane. Sanders would also create a $14 billion federal grant program for legal defense for the needy immigrants.

                    Seizing on a liberal priority, the presidential candidate would scrap ICE and CBP. Deportation and border enforcement functions would go to the Department of Justice, customs would fall to the Treasury Department and naturalization and citizenship would go to the State Department.




                    Your problem is not technology. The problem is YOU. You lack the will to change...You treat this planet as you treat each other. - Klaatu

                    What are you talking about? There is no such thing as the "Mafia"......it doesn't exist. Just a bunch of lies told to defame honest hardworking Italians like myself. - TomO

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by The Berean View Post
                      The presidential candidate would push Congress to pass a law establishing a pathway to citizenship for 11 million undocumented immigrants.



                      as long as they all come from northern europe, no problema

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by ok doser View Post

                        as long as they all come from northern europe, no problema
                        Wypipo!!!!
                        Your problem is not technology. The problem is YOU. You lack the will to change...You treat this planet as you treat each other. - Klaatu

                        What are you talking about? There is no such thing as the "Mafia"......it doesn't exist. Just a bunch of lies told to defame honest hardworking Italians like myself. - TomO

                        I will do you, let's see, goofy, wacky, and to the left side of the bell curve
                        . -Ktoyou

                        I'm white. I'm not black. I can't convert to being black. It doesn't matter how much I want to become black. I could listen to rap and date fat white women all day; for all that, I'll still remain white.- Traditio

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by The Berean View Post

                          Wypipo!!!!



                          had to google that one

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by ok doser View Post




                            had to google that one
                            I'm not sure if "wypipo" refers to all white people or just racist white people?
                            Your problem is not technology. The problem is YOU. You lack the will to change...You treat this planet as you treat each other. - Klaatu

                            What are you talking about? There is no such thing as the "Mafia"......it doesn't exist. Just a bunch of lies told to defame honest hardworking Italians like myself. - TomO

                            I will do you, let's see, goofy, wacky, and to the left side of the bell curve
                            . -Ktoyou

                            I'm white. I'm not black. I can't convert to being black. It doesn't matter how much I want to become black. I could listen to rap and date fat white women all day; for all that, I'll still remain white.- Traditio

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by The Berean View Post

                              I'm not sure if "wypipo" refers to all white people or just racist white people?
                              pretty sure all white people are racist


                              btw, saying that earned me a 30 day ban on facebook

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by The Berean View Post
                                Trad is back! Welcome back Traditio.

                                I do find it a bit odd that you support Bernie Sanders since Sanders had publicly stated that he would grant illegal immigrants many rights.
                                We live in a representative democracy. That means that we don't vote for issues/policies. We vote for candidates. There's no such thing as a perfect candidate. At the end of the day, you have to make an evaluation of all of the likely good that the candidate is going to do and of all of the likely bad that the candidate is going to do, and figure out whether it's ultimately "worth it" to vote for the candidate, all things considered. Would I prefer that Bernie Sanders were against gay "marriage" and legalized abortion? Yes. Do I wish that Bernie Sanders were using the same rhetoric on immigration (e.g., "open borders is a Koch Brothers' proposal") today that he was 5 years ago? Yes. [Though, I can't help but notice that Bernie Sanders is getting roughly half of the Hispanic vote; Hispanics are overwhelmingly voting for "Tio Bernie;" so kudos to the Hispanic community on that.]

                                But again, we have to vote for candidates. I think that, on the whole, Bernie Sanders is the best candidate for the working class of this country. If giving the undocumented immigrants who are already here a path to citizenship means that we also get medicare for all, a federal job guarantee, a minimum wage of $15 per hour, a green new deal, etc., then, in my view, the benefits outweigh the cost.

                                I also think that immigration is a complicated thing. I think that Bernie Sanders is correctly making the evaluation that having an easily exploited underclass of undocumented immigrants in the workplace is worse for working people than just giving them a legal status and raising the minimum wage to $15 per hour.

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