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  • #16
    Originally posted by Derf View Post

    They were born ex-gay, but it took them awhile to realize it.




    No matter what you are to start with, what you decide to be is what you're "born" with.

    This works with Christians, especially. That's why we are "born again", because we realize that we are in need of a rebirth--that our sin, that some say (perhaps correctly) we were born with, is not how God intended us to be defined. Thus gays, perhaps born in their sins, can be reborn into a new life in Jesus Christ. So ex-gays, as a prime example, are indeed "born" (reborn) that way.


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    • #17
      Originally posted by McCoy View Post


      A 1,000 years of authoritative Church teaching, conspiracy theories, scapegoating myths and bigotry ...

      had nothing to do with Cambodia, China, Russia, Rwanda ....

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
        Might as well posit that heterosexuals can somehow train themselves to become attracted to the same gender.
        Originally posted by ok doser View Post

        As you learned, your (british) government did a study that proved just that - that heterosexuals can indeed train themselves to become attracted to the same gender.
        Meant to come back to this - artie often argues that heterosexuals cannot "somehow train themselves to become attracted to the same gender" - he's been doing it for years and years, even after being shown (repeatedly) definitive, well documented studies from his government showing that heterosexuals can and do.

        As I recall, the studies looked at the sexual behavior of men who identified as heterosexual before being incarcerated and who identified as heterosexual after being incarcerated and found that some 20% engaged in reciprocal, consensual, sexually satisfying homosexual behavior while incarcerated.

        And yet, years later, artie still ignores this proof and ridicules the (proven) idea.

        a fun thread where he got his (hat) handed to him on a platter

        https://theologyonline.com/forum/pol...rself-to-enjoy

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        • #19
          If one is "born gay" how do you explain gays who are "in the closet"?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Jefferson View Post
            Just curious.
            Ever heard of Bi-Sexuals?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by eider View Post

              Ever heard of Bi-Sexuals?
              Ever heard of origami?

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              • #22
                Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?

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                • #23
                  If one is born gay, how do you explain Ted Haggard?

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                  • #24
                    Intimidation.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Derf View Post
                      Ever heard of origami?
                      It was easy to explain the thread title.
                      So easy.

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                      • #26
                        Nobody makes a conscious choice as to their sexual orientation and given the contempt that society harbors toward gays, why would anyone deliberately adopt that life style if there was an alternative?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by jgarden View Post
                          Nobody makes a conscious choice as to their sexual orientation ...
                          20% of heterosexual prisoners studied in Britain did/do


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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by eider View Post

                            It was easy to explain the thread title.
                            So easy.
                            A better explanation would be sin and repentance. But that's what the thread title was trying to get us to think about.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by ok doser View Post


                              had nothing to do with Cambodia, China, Russia, Rwanda ....
                              No, but it had everything to do with your silly, reductionist intro about Nazi Germany and the Holocaust.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                                Evil is man's default setting
                                Originally posted by McCoy View Post
                                The default setting of human beings is general compliance to societal boundaries and guidelines.
                                Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                                ... and when the societal boundaries and guidelines told the Volksgemeinschaft that the life of the Jew was without value and must be exterminated, they were happy to be compliant ...
                                Originally posted by McCoy View Post
                                ... your silly, reductionist intro about Nazi Germany and the Holocaust.
                                in what way is "and when the societal boundaries and guidelines told the Volksgemeinschaft that the life of the Jew was without value and must be exterminated, they were happy to be compliant" silly or reductionist?



                                I strongly recommend https://www.amazon.com/Ordinary-Men-.../dp/0060995068
                                Last edited by ok doser; January 20, 2020, 03:43 PM.

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