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    Walter E. Williams sends out two articles every month on his mailing list. This is the 2nd article for November. I'd like to see some of the leftists here defeat his logic and evidence.


    Disproportionalities: Whose Fault?

    Jews have been awarded 40% of the Nobel Prizes in economics, 30% of those in medicine, 25% in physics, 20% in chemistry, 15% in literature and 10% of the Nobel Peace Prizes. Since the beginning of the 20th century, there have been just over 900 Nobel Prizes awarded. Since Jews are only 2% of the world's population, instead of having 22% of Nobel Prizes, 206, they should have won only 2, according to the proportionality vision of justice. There's an even greater domestic violation of the proportionality vision. Jews are less than 3% of the U.S. population, but 35% of American Nobel Prize winners. Several questions come to mind. Does the disproportionately high number of Jewish winners explain why there are so few black or Hispanic Nobel Prize winners? Who's to blame for ethnic disproportionality among Nobel Prize winners, and what can be done to promote social justice?

    Proportionality injustice doesn't end with the Nobel Prize. Blacks are about 13% of the U.S. population but close to 70% of the players in the National Football League. Blacks are greatly overrepresented among star players and highly paid players. While the disproportionality injustice runs in favor of black players in general, they are all but nonexistent among the league's field goal kickers and punters. Perhaps the only reason why football team owners are not charged with hiring discrimination is that the same people who hire quarterbacks and running backs also hire field goal kickers and punters. Proportionality and diversity injustice is worse in the National Basketball Association, with blacks being over 80% of the players. Plus, it's not uncommon to watch college basketball games and see that 90 to 100% of the starting five players are black.

    Most readers know that I teach economics at George Mason University and have done so for nearly 40 years. However, that doesn't mean the field of economics doesn't have its problems. Many see economics as neither a welcoming nor a supportive profession for women or blacks. Former Federal Reserve Board Chair Janet Yellen, in addressing a Brookings Institution audience said: "Within the economics profession, women and minorities are significantly underrepresented. And data compiled by the American Economic Association's Committees on the Status of Women in the Economics Profession and the Status of Minority Groups in the profession show that there has been little or no progress in recent decades. Women today make up only about 30 percent of Ph.D. students. Within academia, their representation drops the higher up one goes in the career ladder. The share of Ph.D.s awarded to African Americans is low; and it has declined slightly in recent decades." Yellen says that diversity in economics is a matter of "basic justice."

    Had I been in the audience, I would have asked Yellen whether there's basic justice in the nursing field, where less than 10% of nurses are men. What about the gross lack of proportionality in incarceration? According to 2015 figures released by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, the overall U.S. prison and jail population is 90.6% male and 9.4% female. The only way that I see to remedy such a gross disproportionality injustice is to either incarcerate more female prisoners or release male prisoners.

    Back to Janet Yellen: It is pathetic and professionally incompetent that she can ignore decades of research -- some of it by female researchers -- that shoots down the idea that disparities prove discrimination. Moreover, if one carries the notion that disparities prove discrimination far enough, they'd look like true fools. According to a study conducted by Bond University in Australia, sharks are nine times likelier to attack and kill men than they are women. Despite the fact that men are 50% of the population, and so are women, men are struck by lightning six times as often as women. Of those killed by lightning, 82% are men. One can only wonder what social justice warriors would do about these and many other disproportionalities.
    “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
    ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

    “One and God make a majority.”
    ― Frederick Douglass

  • #2
    Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
    Walter E. Williams sends out two articles every month on his mailing list. This is the 2nd article for November. I'd like to see some of the leftists here defeat his logic and evidence.
    Since the lefists can't talk intelligently about anything which really matters they just follow the party line of the Democrats which is totally immersed in identity politics. You know, divide and conquer.

    But their act is growing old and is not working now as well as it has in the past.

    Their self-righteousness is wearing thin!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
      Walter E. Williams sends out two articles every month on his mailing list. This is the 2nd article for November. I'd like to see some of the leftists here defeat his logic and evidence.


      What's to argue? As shown, the individual is a demonstrated product of their current environment. Offer a egalitarian change of environs.......alter its "proportionality vision of justice".
      _/\_

      Christians: "I - a stranger and afraid - in a world I never made.." -- Houseman

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      • #4
        Originally posted by quip View Post

        What's to argue? As shown, the individual is a demonstrated product of their current environment. Offer a egalitarian change of environs.......alter its "proportionality vision of justice".
        So, Jews, probably the most hated and discriminated against group of people on earth, are succeeding why? Because of the advantages afforded to them by the environment of discrimination and hatred in which they live? Is that the "change of environs" blacks and latinos should be given? Those two groups don't have the thousands of years of being hated and driven from pillar to post behind them to make them as successful as the Jews have been?

        Remember that the KKK, Nazis, and white supremacists hate Jews as much or more than they hate blacks and latinos.
        “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
        ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

        “One and God make a majority.”
        ― Frederick Douglass

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        • #5
          Walter E. Williams is a black man who was born in the late 1920s. He grew up when discrimination via things like the Jim Crow laws were in effect and enforced enthusiastically. How is his success in life, he's a nationally known economist and a professor at George Mason University, as well as an author of multiple books, possible seeing he was a victim of discrimination?

          And why are blacks so over represented in professional sports. They are 13% of the population but hold a large majority of positions in professional sports. How are we going to fix this disproportionality?
          “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
          ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

          “One and God make a majority.”
          ― Frederick Douglass

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
            Walter E. Williams is a black man who was born in the late 1920s. He grew up when discrimination via things like the Jim Crow laws were in effect and enforced enthusiastically. How is his success in life, he's a nationally known economist and a professor at George Mason University, as well as an author of multiple books, possible seeing he was a victim of discrimination?
            I would say by way of a strong will, determination, intelligence and good fortune.
            There will always be exceptions which define the rule. This seems the case.

            And why are blacks so over represented in professional sports. They are 13% of the population but hold a large majority of positions in professional sports. How are we going to fix this disproportionality?
            Because they're raised to view professional athleticism as their golden ticket out of poverty thus they focus on this capacity...to a similar yet opposite degree, the typical Jewish propensity for financial/business acuity.
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            Christians: "I - a stranger and afraid - in a world I never made.." -- Houseman

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post

              So, Jews, probably the most hated and discriminated against group of people on earth, are succeeding why?

              Remember that the KKK, Nazis, and white supremacists hate Jews as much or more than they hate blacks and latinos.
              They're each hated via differing standards of prejudice.
              _/\_

              Christians: "I - a stranger and afraid - in a world I never made.." -- Houseman

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              • #8
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                Originally posted by quip View Post
                I would say by way of a strong will, determination, intelligence and good fortune.
                There will always be exceptions which define the rule. This seems the case.



                Because they're raised to view professional athleticism as their golden ticket out of poverty thus they focus on this capacity...to a similar yet opposite degree, the typical Jewish propensity for financial/business acuity.
                Aren't the attributes you just listed the same ones a white man needs to succeed in life? And what "rule" are you referring to in your next sentence? That those individuals, no matter what race, who do not display a strong will, determination, intelligence and get some good fortune will fail? That's the way it is for white people. Those who don't display those attributes don't succeed. I've talked to quite a few successful white guys who said their success in life, and they were retired in their early 50s while traveling around the country in $1 million+ RVs, attributed their success to "being in the right place at the right time". But, they also had to have the will, determination, and intelligence to fill the right spot at the right time.

                So, despite being hated, driven from pillar to post in every nation in the world, Jews succeed because they use a strong will, determination, intelligence and financial/business ability? Are you saying blacks and latinos lack these attributes so they must be given everything? That they are somehow inferior to Jews? That is a flat out racist position to take. Why do blacks even imagine, seeing they are such victims of racism, that they can succeed in sports? I mean, how can they succeed in sports when they are being so suppressed?

                If I was you I'd watch interviews with guys like CJ McCollem and Damian Lilliard from the Trailblazers and see what it is to which they attribute their success in life and in their professional basketball lives. Those two guys both have contracts worth more than a hundred million. Do you really think they arrived at that point without the same attributes you attributed to Walter Williams? Did they earn their success or what it just handed to them because they were black?

                Why is it that socialist/democrats teach black kids that they can't succeed because some white people don't like them? Why do they teach them that they aren't capable of succeeding and must rely on politicians to have a life? Why do you guys teach blacks just the opposite of what they need to do to succeed? If you listen to any successful black man they will tell you that were taught by their parents from a very early age that they were capable of succeeding, and that their parents instilled the values of hard work, belief in themselves, the requirement of determination--not giving up at their first failure in life--would bring them success in life. Successful white people were taught those same lessons growing up. It's a common thread in the attributes of successful people no matter what their racial makeup.

                If you read the life stories of men like Booker T. Washington and Fredrick Douglas you will find that the first two attributes you listed have more to do with an individual's success than anything else. Both of these men grew up during slavery, and yet they became very successful. More than a hundred years after their deaths they are still remembered and honored for what they accomplished. How could that be considering the discrimination they faced?
                “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
                ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

                “One and God make a majority.”
                ― Frederick Douglass

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by quip View Post

                  They're each hated via differing standards of prejudice.
                  Explain this. The way it stands it is nothing more than a baseless assertion.

                  WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006) (wn)
                  assertion
                  n 1: a declaration that is made emphatically (as if no
                  supporting evidence were necessary)
                  “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
                  ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

                  “One and God make a majority.”
                  ― Frederick Douglass

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by quip View Post

                    They're each hated via differing standards of prejudice.
                    Never heard of "standards of prejudice"

                    Can you explain how the "standard of prejudice" used by a KKKer, Nazi or white supremacist is different when used to hate a black vs a Jew?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ok doser View Post

                      Never heard of "standards of prejudice"

                      Can you explain how the "standard of prejudice" used by a KKKer, Nazi or white supremacist is different when used to hate a black vs a Jew?
                      LOL. Don't you know that there are differing standards of prejudice as well as justice? There is one standard of prejudice/justice assigned to conservatives and another standard for prejudice/justice assigned to socialists. The standards assigned to socialists are far more lenient than those applied to conservatives. The standard applied to conservatives is applied via assertion: guilty because we exist.
                      “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
                      ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

                      “One and God make a majority.”
                      ― Frederick Douglass

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post

                        Aren't the attributes you just listed the same ones a white man needs to succeed in life? And what "rule" are you referring to in your next sentence?
                        Yes. And:
                        The stereotypical and racist rule (perception) that African Americans are only adept at entertainment and athletics. ( of which they often subject themselves to.)


                        That those individuals, no matter what race, who do not display a strong will, determination, intelligence and get some good fortune will fail? That's the way it is for white people.
                        Yes, yet many minorities claim an historically uneven playing field whereby whites have held prominence within the domestic business and social sectors for generations.

                        So, despite being hated, driven from pillar to post in every nation in the world, Jews succeed because they use a strong will, determination, intelligence and financial/business ability? Are you saying blacks and latinos lack these attributes so they must be given everything? That they are somehow inferior to Jews? That is a flat out racist position to take. Why do blacks even imagine, seeing they are such victims of racism, that they can succeed in sports? I mean, how can they succeed in sports when they are being so suppressed?
                        I'm saying minorities have to deal with a legacy of suppression....not one of compounded generational success the Jews rest their accomplishments upon. Minorities have been hamstrung and lack a generational support system.


                        Why is it that socialist/democrats teach black kids that they can't succeed because some white people don't like them? Why do they teach them that they aren't capable of succeeding and must rely on politicians to have a life? Why do you guys teach blacks just the opposite of what they need to do to succeed?
                        I'm not sure what you're referring to specifically. Are public programs aimed at minorities in an effort to combat discrimination what you're asserting here?


                        _/\_

                        Christians: "I - a stranger and afraid - in a world I never made.." -- Houseman

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ok doser View Post

                          Never heard of "standards of prejudice"

                          Can you explain how the "standard of prejudice" used by a KKKer, Nazi or white supremacist is different when used to hate a black vs a Jew?
                          The difference between anti-semitism and racism.
                          _/\_

                          Christians: "I - a stranger and afraid - in a world I never made.." -- Houseman

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by quip View Post

                            Yes. And:
                            The stereotypical and racist rule (perception) that African Americans are only adept at entertainment and athletics. ( of which they often subject themselves to.)




                            Yes, yet many minorities claim an historically uneven playing field whereby whites have held prominence within the domestic business and social sectors for generations.



                            I'm saying minorities have to deal with a legacy of suppression....not one of compounded generational success the Jews rest their accomplishments upon. Minorities have been hamstrung and lack a generational support system.




                            I'm not sure what you're referring to specifically. Are public programs aimed at minorities in an effort to combat discrimination what you're asserting here?

                            Who says blacks are only good at sports and entertainment? I've never heard a conservative say any such thing. It's another baseless assertion.

                            And how has this "historically uneven playing field" held back Jews? They have been awarded far more Nobel Prizes per individual Jew than any other race of people. And they have been discriminated against for millenia.

                            How did the Jews establish a "compounded generational success" when they have been destroyed as a nation, highly discriminated against as individuals, and killed by the millions? They didn't even have a homeland from around 70 AD until Britain established the nation of Israel in the 1940s. They were scattered all over the world and in every nation they lived in they faced pogroms and hostility in which they basically had no rights at all. Every people on earth has violently discriminated against them.

                            You don't think that the Jews have been suppressed? That's a laughable assertion made by the implication that other minorities have faced suppression.

                            What I'm saying is that individual blacks, in the face of horrendous discrimination and hatred have succeeded despite those things. Here's a book for you to read written by a black man, Oscar Micheaux, published in 1917. It is a novelized version of his life as settler in the Dakotas. In this book he demonstrates the two competing attitudes in the black community even back then. One side wanted to be victims and thought the government should be their savior. The other side wanted nothing to do with victimhood and became successful through their own hard work, determination, and intelligence. The one side is represented by people like Al Sharpton. The other side is represented by people like Herman Cain, Frederick Douglas, and Booker T. Washington. You can guess which side of the argument the Democrats support, and which side of the argument has created very successful black men and women. It's the side conservatives support.

                            Here's the link to Project Gutenberg and the book itself. It would do you a world of good to read and understand what this black man deliberately included in his book. http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/39238

                            BTW, did you know there was a black woman business owner who basically dominated the cosmetics industry in the early 1900s? Long before there were victimhood policies pushed by government she picked herself out of extreme poverty and made herself into a multimillionaire tycoon. She was worth $20 million back in 1920 that she earned through her businesses. She employed 75,000 women in her factories. So why don't you on the left point out successful blacks? Instead you teach blacks that they can't succeed on their own.

                            Here's a link to a group of black people who succeeded. It includes the woman I mentioned in the preceding paragraph. A good share of the people mentioned in this article started out life as slaves. And you think blacks have to have special privileges to succeed? It's as racist a view of blacks that exists on planet earth. They have everything they need to compete and succeed contained within themselves. They just need to stop hearing how they are victims and can't succeed. It's you guys that keep beating that message into them. And it's a purely racist idea. https://tech.co/news/21-successful-b...istory-2015-02

                            One last question: how is it that you think anti-semitism and racism are separate concepts? To despise a person based upon their race is racism, no matter what other name it is given. It's ludicrous to say Jews aren't subject to racism.
                            “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
                            ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

                            “One and God make a majority.”
                            ― Frederick Douglass

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by quip View Post

                              The difference between anti-semitism and racism.
                              Which is...???

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