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    Dr. Walt Brown on the Hydroplate Theory

    This is the show from Tuesday January 9th, 2007.

    SUMMARY:

    * The Hydroplate Theory Explains:
    -The continents do not fit together well against each other (unless you shrink Africa by 30%, etc.), but their jigsaw shape fits together against the mid-Atlantic Ridge!
    - What formed the 46,000-mile long Mid-oceanic Ridge?
    - Why is the Atlantic Ocean relatively shallow, and what formed the deep Pacific trenches, like the 36-thousand foot Mariana Trench?
    - The Fountains of the Great Deep launched asteroids and comets.
    - Mars is not the source of Antarctica meteorites, but they are from the Earth, as is the water on Mars!
    - The debris launched from the Earth beat up the moon, especially its near-side.
    - NASA has discovered the earth-like composition of comets, fulfilling Walt Brown's published prediction that they would find a most common mineral from Earth, olivine.

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    WARNING: Graphic video here.

  • #2
    I'm listening to this. Dr. Brown claims that when orbiting astronauts dump some waste overboard and it continues to orbit with the space craft it is a result of the attraction of the space craft's gravity on the waste. He claims to be a mechanical engineer? Has he never heard of Newton? Try Newton's First Law.
    And I am supposed to buy his Hydroplate Theory which no other geologist on the face of the earth agrees with? And he is unaware of Newtonian physics? Well, what can I expect?
    "Against stupidity, the gods themselves fight in vain", G. Smiley

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    • #3
      Can Dr. Brown and/or Pastor Bob confirm this, Brown's theory is that the water that may have been on Mars was thrown there from the earth when the fountains of the deep erupted. Do I have that right?
      "Against stupidity, the gods themselves fight in vain", G. Smiley

      "Send money, guns and lawyers..." W. Zevon

      "If it is possible for something to happen, that is evidence that it did happen." Stripe on TOL

      "There but for fortune...", P. Ochs

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jukia
        I'm listening to this. Dr. Brown claims that when orbiting astronauts dump some waste overboard and it continues to orbit with the space craft it is a result of the attraction of the space craft's gravity on the waste.
        That is not at all what he is talking about. He is not refering to the waste continuing to orbit earth along with the spacecraft. He is talking about the waste orbiting the spacecraft itself. If the waste was ejected from the spacecraft, you might expect it to drift away slowly, but it didn't, as witnessed during the Apollo 13 mission.

        He claims to be a mechanical engineer? Has he never heard of Newton? Try Newton's First Law.
        And I am supposed to buy his Hydroplate Theory which no other geologist on the face of the earth agrees with? And he is unaware of Newtonian physics? Well, what can I expect?
        Hopefully you'll call him Friday and bring this up. You should tell him about Newton.
        "I believe in Christianity, as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else." C.S. Lewis

        "Don't believe that there's nothing that's true, don't believe in this modern machine." Switchfoot

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Walt Brown
          -The continents do not fit together well against each other (unless you shrink Africa by 30%, etc.)
          False. I want to see a source.

          - The Fountains of the Great Deep launched asteroids and comets.
          - Mars is not the source of Antarctica meteorites, but they are from the Earth, as is the water on Mars!
          - The debris launched from the Earth beat up the moon, especially its near-side.
          I've come up with my own theory. A giant man who once roamed the Earth ate one too many burritos. This explains water on Mars, the craters on the moon, and comets and asteroids. Weee!

          Originally posted by Jefferson
          - NASA has discovered the earth-like composition of comets, fulfilling Walt Brown's published prediction that they would find a most common mineral from Earth, olivine.
          Walt Brown's "prediction" was based on already published spectroscopic analysis of comets. In other words, he was just repeating what scientists had already discovered.
          “There's nothing I like less than bad arguments for a view that I hold dear.” - Daniel Dennett

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Johnny
            False. I want to see a source.
            Here.
            "I believe in Christianity, as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else." C.S. Lewis

            "Don't believe that there's nothing that's true, don't believe in this modern machine." Switchfoot

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Johnny
              False. I want to see a source.
              Try this.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Knight
                There's no source there. "Details and evidence will be given later."
                “There's nothing I like less than bad arguments for a view that I hold dear.” - Daniel Dennett

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                • #9
                  And the asteroids and comets, especially the asteroids, are the result of the fountains of the deep exploding and taking water and rock away from the earth, are propelled away from the earth by "solar energy".

                  Ya just can't make this stuff up folks.
                  "Against stupidity, the gods themselves fight in vain", G. Smiley

                  "Send money, guns and lawyers..." W. Zevon

                  "If it is possible for something to happen, that is evidence that it did happen." Stripe on TOL

                  "There but for fortune...", P. Ochs

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                  • #10
                    Actually, you can.




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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Walt Brown
                      -The continents do not fit together well against each other (unless you shrink Africa by 30%, etc.), but their jigsaw shape fits together against the mid-Atlantic Ridge!
                      Like Johnny, I found it hard to believe that Walt Brown would actually claim this, and (Knight, you'll be thrilled) I actually wasted a few minutes listening to the broadcast to see if Jefferson's version was inaccurate or oversimplified. It didn't appear to be.

                      Let me provide a quote from the text and reference book Biogeography (Lomolino, Riddle, and Brown, 2005):

                      From the first time Wegener proposed the supercontinent of Pangaea, his opponents criticized the liberties he took to achieve a "good fit." A good reconstruction was finally achieved when S. W. Carey (1955, 1958b), an Australian geologist, used plasticene shapes of landmasses sliding over a globe. Nonetheless, the fit was not widely accepted until three researchers (Bullard et al. 1965) combined computer mapping techniques and statistical analyeses to test continental fits. Their analyses showed that the continents do fit together if one uses submarine contours of the continental shelves to delineate the margins of continental plates (see also Hallam 1970).

                      So Walt is adopting an old position that was effectively dealt with 40 years ago. I should not have to mention, but will anyways, that these older studies were hardly the last word in the subject. Two good, but technical, discussions on the subject can be found in:

                      Voo, R. Van d. (1990). Phanerozoic paleomagnetic poles from Europe and North-America and comparisons with continental reconstructions. Rev. of Geophysics 28, 167-206.

                      McElhinny, M. & McFadden, P. (2000). Paleomagnetism: Continents and Oceans, Academic Press.

                      Is the fit "perfect"? No, but I can't believe that would be the standard of acceptance for Christians! In any case, tectonic theory would suggest that it is most unlikely that the moving, splitting, clanging together, and subducting of plates over the last several hundred million years would leave the margins of landmasses in exactly the same shape they were in at the initial split of Pangaea. Would Walt Brown or anyone else claim otherwise? In fact, even taking that into account, the fit is pretty impressive.

                      This illustrates an interesting aspect of Walt Brown's hydroplate theory and defense thereof. He consistently uses the lack of a perfect fit between a highly complex and detailed data set and a detailed mainstream (evolutionary, tectonic, etc.) hypothesis to cast that hypothesis into doubt, but keeps his own hypotheses and tests thereof vague and generalized enough that it's not actually possible to evaluate the fit of the data to his hypothesis. So who do you think "wins" in the choice between "lack of perfect fit in hypothesis A" and "absence of apparent contradictions in hypothesis B"?
                      Check out this

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                      • #12
                        aharvey: thanks for the update. Somewhere I do sort of remember that the fit gets better when you use the continental shelf contours.

                        I am enthralled with the idea of all this water, rocks (I would guess people and plants, doggy, cat, dinosaur kinds etc) being thrown into the air at escape velocity and then forming asteroids, comets, craters on the moon, craters and/or evidence of water on Mars. What a spectacular theory. Awful shame it is a pure fabrication of Pastor Bob's favorite scientist.
                        "Against stupidity, the gods themselves fight in vain", G. Smiley

                        "Send money, guns and lawyers..." W. Zevon

                        "If it is possible for something to happen, that is evidence that it did happen." Stripe on TOL

                        "There but for fortune...", P. Ochs

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Johnny
                          False. I want to see a source.
                          Step 1: Get a map.
                          Step 2: Cut out the Continents.
                          Step 3: Try to fit them together.

                          "I maintain my pride in the face of men, but I abandon it before God, who drew me out of nothingness to make me what I am." - The Count of Monte Cristo

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                          • #14
                            Step 1/2 (before step 1), learn some science.
                            "Against stupidity, the gods themselves fight in vain", G. Smiley

                            "Send money, guns and lawyers..." W. Zevon

                            "If it is possible for something to happen, that is evidence that it did happen." Stripe on TOL

                            "There but for fortune...", P. Ochs

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dread Helm
                              Step 1: Get a map.
                              Step 2: Cut out the Continents.
                              Step 3: Try to fit them together.

                              I wonder if that's what Walt did?
                              Check out this

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