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    Did It Rain Before the Flood?

    This is the show from Friday, July 7th, 2017


    Part 1
    : Real Science Radio hosts Bob Enyart and Fred Williams take on the interesting biblical and scientific question: Did it rain before the flood? Next week we plan to broadcast Part 2 of this intriguing discussion!

    Today's Resource: Get the Best Creation Science Book Ever Written! Just click on the cover of Dr. Walt Brown's book to purchase it from RSR (which also helps us to continue broadcasting)!

    * Check Out RSR's HPT Programs (and other resources from
    - Plate Tectonics: Subduction Does Not Happen
    - RSR on the Origin of Trans-Neptunian Objects
    - List of Answers to Hydroplate Objections
    - Bryan Nickel's HPT Tutorial YouTube Series
    - Dr. Spencer, PhD in nuclear physics, on HPT objections
    - The 360-Day Year on RSR &
    - Jane Albright's Global Flood Article Series
    - CPT's Wrong: Magma Below Crossover Depth Sinks
    - RSR's observation that, "All scientists work for Walt Brown" comes from, our program that defies the claim of Bill Nye and Neil deGrasse Tyson, who have said that creationists cannot make science predictions based on the Bible. Ha!

    * The Original Walt Brown Week on RSR: originally aired on five consecutive programs:
    - Dr. Walt Brown on Evolution
    - Dr. Walt Brown on Hydroplates
    - Walt Brown on the Grand Canyon
    - Walt on Where the Water Went & Where it Came From
    - The Walt Brown Effect: Q&A

    * Flood Programs with HPT expert Kevin Lea:
    - Origin of Comets on Real Science Radio
    - Real Science Radio on Frozen Mammoths
    - Liquefaction Made Most of the Paper Thin Fossils
    - RSR: How Earthquakes Gave Us a 365-Day Year

    Check Out the Video Too! Just click to order RSR's best-selling video:

    The Global Flood and the Hydroplate Theory
    Blu-ray, 2-DVD Set, or HD Streaming or Download

    Real Science Radio co-host Bob Enyart presents the scientific evidence for Dr. Walt Brown’s model of the global flood, along with the relevant biblical material. Enyart also discusses Brown's opponents and contrasts both the vapor canopy and catastrophic plate tectonics with the hydroplate theory.

    DVD Vol. 1
    1. Walt Brown, Creation Leaders, and Scripture
    2. Hydroplate Theory & Scientific Evidence

    DVD Vol. 2
    3. Hydroplates vs. Plate Tectonics
    Bonus: Origin of Earth's Radioactivity

    * Excerpts: RSR's Global Flood and Hydroplate Theory: We've excerpted our best-selling flood video which is available in full on DVD, Blu-ray, or download. We hope you enjoy this:

    * in the Days of Peleg, the Earth was Divided: In our video embedded just above, from 12:13 to 15:21, we discuss Genesis 10:25 which states that in the days of Peleg, the earth was divided. See While the text could plausibly be interpreted to refer to some other type of division, most literally, it indicates that "the earth" was divided.

    * All Scientists Work for Walt Brown: Check out this update on the Moon! As explained in the Dr. Brown's Hydroplate Theory, the Moon was battered when the fountains of the great deep erupted and launched much debris into space. That helps to explain why the near-side has suffered much greater impactors. Now, from our All Scientists Work for Walt Brown file, interestingly, Maria Zuber, principal investigator for NASA's GRAIL mission, said, "It was known that planets were battered by impacts, but nobody had envisioned that the [Moon’s] crust was so beaten up." Nobody, that is, except for Dr. Brown. This statement, All Scientists Work for Walt Brown, appears in our best-selling flood video and we may have first uttered it in 2007 when the BBC reported the discovery of the missing crust in the Atlantic, unexpected by plate tectonics advocates but a confirmation of a requirement of the Hydroplate Theory. Then on the other side of the globe in 2017 the GSA published (See their Flip PDF) the discovery of an almost completely submerged "continent", larger than India, in the Pacific Ocean, called Zealandia.

    * RSR's List of Answers to HPT Objections: Bob Enyart hosts a series of laser-focused programs discussing criticisms of Dr. Walt Brown's fountains-of-the-great-deep flood model. Called RSR's List of Answers to Hydroplate Objections, this continuing series (with seven episodes so far) responds to geophysicist Dr. John Baumgardner, astronomer Danny Faulkner, meteorologist Michael Oard, and others regarding criticisms of the HPT including:
    - the "geometry problem"
    - the "Pacific crust problem"
    - the "linear crack problem"
    - the origin of limestone
    - the origin of Earth's dangerous radioactivity
    - the melting of the outer core as a mechanism for speeding up the Earth's rotation
    - the ability of stresses to generate high voltages in granite
    - the non-existence of a Pangea-like supercontinent of the early Earth
    - the use of miracles-on-demand in the competing plate tectonic theory
    Check it out! You just might LOVE this series. draft spreadsheet called Flood Models & Bible Verses
    - draft spreadsheet called Flood Models & Features to Explain

    * September 2015 UPDATE! Nasa Finds Water on Mars: Regarding NASA's announcement of the discovery of water on Mars, just in time to promote the Hollywood film The Martian, we mention our radio program from ten years ago, Water on Mars, France on Drugs to illustrate this quote that appears on Dr. Walt Brown's website:

    Discoveries of water on Mars are now so common that the subject has become the butt of jokes among planetary scientists: “Congratulations—you’ve discovered water on Mars for the 1,000th time!"

    What is significant however is that Walt Brown predicted the presence of salt water on Mars, now confirmed! Further, water on Mars does not imply that life could have originated there, for that ubiquitous atheistic claim ignores basic science. Water can sustain life. Yet because water is the universal solvent, it relentlessly dissolves the biological compounds needed to form the most basic biological structures like amino acids and polymers. So, water sustains life, but it is the enemy of a materialistic origin of life.

    * Shared RSR Google Spreadsheets on Flood Models: (works in progress)
    - Bible Material Uniquely Supporting Various Flood Models
    - Physical Features Requiring Explanation and Flood Models

    * In the Real Science Radio Studio: Dr. Walt Brown, the editor of RSR's GF&HPT video Tommy Stills of Indiana's Tommy Vance Productions, and RSR host Bob Enyart:

    * Google's Highest Ranking Origins Scientist is Dr. Walt Brown: Google's investment in the future of computing power, quantum computing, may give us an idea of the computational intensity of their current web page ranking system. As of November 2016, only two quantum computers have been purchased for "end-user" purposes. The first was purchased by Google in cooperation with NASA, and the second by USC. An article about quantum computing at states, "Google... uses a page ranking algorithm that is rumored to be the largest numerical calculation carried out anywhere in the world." Consider also that scientific search terms are often especially competitive. Therefore, the top ranking earned by Dr. Walt Brown for his website demonstrates the extraordinary accomplishment of providing scientific answers on origins to millions of people. On the following topics, check out the results by Googling these search terms:
    - origin of asteroids, you'll find Walt's powerful chapter at the #1 ranked page out of 550,000
    - origin of earth's radioactivity, and Walt is ranked #1 of 265k pages
    - origin of ocean trenches, #1 out of 415k pages
    - origin of frozen mammoths, #1 of 370k pages
    - origin of trans-Neptunian objects, #1 of 59k pages
    - origin of the grand canyon, and Walt's #1 of 745k pages among extremely tough competition like Wikipedia and the National Park Service (and beating out all other creation ministries). And then there's this creationist search term:
    - creation evolution flood, Walt's site is ranked #1 out of 7.5 million web pages!

    * BTW, Google Ranks RSR Pretty Highly Too: Here at Real Science Radio, our 25 years of science reporting has earned us some #1 rankings also, including for:
    - big bang predictions, #1 out of millions
    - evidence against the big bang, #1 out of millions
    - creation science predictions, #1 out of millions
    - 360 day year, #1 of millions
    - What is the firmament of day 2, #1 of 650 thousand
    - Is God outside of time or just: God outside of time, #2 of millions
    - big bang evidence, usually on Google's 1st pages of results (even for this generic term!)
    - dinosaur soft tissue, #3 of 600 thousand
    - right to life, #3 of 600 million, at Colorado RTL, an organization that Bob is on the board of
    - life of the mother, #1 of 630 million, at American RTL, Bob's article as an ARTL spokesman
    - world's largest protest sign, 31 of millions, our project at ARTL's site
    - God and the death penalty, #1 of 5 million at
    - Etc.

    * Plate Tectonics & Subduction: See Walt's chart on the reasons why plates have not subducted!

    * A Few Evidences of the Global Flood: Some of the scientific observations that corroborate the historical record of the global flood of Noah's day:
    - An average of a mile deep of sedimentary layers on the continents
    - Billions of dead things laid down by water in strata around the earth
    - Sufficient water in our two-mile deep oceans to cover the earth (with lower pre-flood mountains)
    - Anthropological cataloging of hundreds of cultures with an ancient corporate recollection of the flood
    - Extent of stratigraphic layers of regional and continental scope
    - Past geologic catastrophism caused by "off the charts" energy levels (dwarfing modern phenomenon)
    - etc. (This list just started in June 2017. Just email evidence for the global flood to add to" to add items!)

    * The Whole Enchilada: All of our Real Science Radio Hydroplate Theory resources are collected on a single page over at
    WARNING: Graphic video here.

  • #2
    Genesis 7:11-12 KJV
    (11) In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
    (12) And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

    Were these fountains on earth or in heaven?

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.


    • #3
      Did It Rain Before the Flood?

      I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

      "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

      I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
      A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
      If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

      Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

      I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.


      • #4
        I listened to part 1.

        Good show!

        If I heard correctly ...... the mist that watered the earth for 2000 years before the flood was caused by heat from below causing a mild evaporation (ie. not enough heat to make the evaporation rise to the sky cloud height).
        And after the flood, rain came because of heat from the sun above.
        But I missed an explanation of why the sun did not produce enough heat to cause enough evaporation for it to rain for 2000 years????

        Moving on to part 2, hoping it will answer this question.

        We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
        They already know monsters exist.
        We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.