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  • #46
    Love and hate are not equal opposites.

    You should love your enemy enough to hate him. Then and only then might he repent.
    Perhaps you could tell me how to do that. Don't give me "well the hating drives them to Christ, and then they go to heaven. So that's really loving them". That's a pathetic convluted argument which falls on its face. How many sinners did Jesus hate to drive them towards Himself? Look at the world's response to Christian hate. Sure made them want Jesus, didn't it? No. Why would they want to be like us? Love always elicits a better response than hate.

    We are told to love. We are told to be gentle with everyone. If you have convinced yourself that this somehow excuses you to hate people then you are wrong.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by lovemeorhateme
      Where does the Bible tell us to hate? Actually command us to 'hate someone to repentance?'
      Well I already showed you one... here is another...

      Romans 12:9 Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good.

      Abhor literally means hate.

      Romans 12:9 pretty much sums up the argument. Loving wickedness is actually unrighteously hating someone, yet hating wickedness is the most loving thing you could do for the wicked.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by Knight
        I am speaking of enemies as in evil enemies. Not just your typical "lost" soul.
        ok, that makes more sense to me know.
        but I still question making it such an absolute state. I think hate could sometimes drive your enemies away. I guess it depends on how you show your hatred...

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Johnny
          How many sinners did Jesus hate to drive them towards Himself?
          An infinite amount.

          Matthew 10:34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 “For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36 “and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’
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          • #50
            Originally posted by Knight
            Maybe your missing the point.

            Maybe the point is that love is more than just acceptance and tolerance. Maybe love could include perfect hatred for a wicked enemy. For if that perfect hatred helped the wicked realize they were wicked and then they later repented, your hatred would have been the most loving thing you could have done.
            I can see the point there. I can see exactly where you are coming from. However, I disagree.

            If I know someone who is in sin, how should I approach them? If I show hatred to them, then I will put them right off even wanting to know the first thing about salvation. I have spoken to people in the past, who refuse to have anything to do with salvation, as they can't stand the fact that, in their own words, 'Christians are so judgemental and hateful.'

            Now, if I approach them with love, as in openly showing them love, they are far more likely to listen.


            The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. - Bertrand Russell

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Knight
              Well I already showed you one... here is another...

              Romans 12:9 Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good.

              Abhor literally means hate.

              Romans 12:9 pretty much sums up the argument. Loving wickedness is actually unrighteously hating someone, yet hating wickedness is the most loving thing you could do for the wicked.
              I don't buy your interpretation there. I really can't see it.


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              • #52
                Somehow I just can't quite hear Jesus saying, "Get that woman off my feet, why is she putting that perfume on me with her dirty hair, she's a hooker, somebody get her off of me, I hate hookers." I also don't think He said, "Get away from this well you adulteress, I hate sinners." He didn't say, "Peter, I hate you," He said, "Get thee behind me, Satan..." because His hatred was against sin, not the sinner. He didn't even tell Satan that He hated Him, He merely rebuked him and put him in his place with The Word of God.
                "That man of sin must first be revealed." -- Jesus

                If you haven't tried: you've already failed. -- Aimiel

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by kmoney
                  I guess it depends on how you show your hatred...
                  Imagine a child raping pedophile.

                  Should he be loved by acceptance and tolerance? Or should he be loved by abhoring his wickedness?
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Knight
                    An infinite amount.

                    Matthew 10:34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 “For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36 “and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’
                    For the sake of Jesus I find that I hate my family more than I do The Lord, but that doesn't detract from my love for them, or mean that the only affection I have towards them because they're lost sinners is hatred.
                    "That man of sin must first be revealed." -- Jesus

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by lovemeorhateme
                      I don't buy your interpretation there. I really can't see it.
                      That's because you are a pervert.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Knight
                        Imagine a child raping pedophile.

                        Should he be loved by acceptance and tolerance? Or should he be loved by abhoring his wickedness?
                        He should be loved with a bullet in his head.
                        Everyman is a voice in the dark.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by fool
                          He should be loved with a bullet in his head.
                          On this we agree!
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Knight
                            That's because you are a pervert.
                            Knight, I am not a pervert. I am a human being who is seeking the truth about God, and the Bible. Nothing more and nothing less. Just ask HisLight for instance, and she can tell you the truth of that.


                            The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. - Bertrand Russell

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by lovemeorhateme
                              Knight, I am not a pervert. I am a human being who is seeking the truth about God, and the Bible. Nothing more and nothing less. Just ask HisLight for instance, and she can tell you the truth of that.
                              Arn't you a homo?
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Knight
                                Imagine a child raping pedophile.

                                Should he be loved by acceptance and tolerance? Or should he be loved by abhoring his wickedness?
                                I think he should be executed. And if it was a child I knew I'd want to kill him myself.

                                But I think maybe we should try to spell out what hating someone like that would mean. What is involved in it? Calling them names? Screaming at them? Ignoring them? Killing them?

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