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  • Jefferson's pick 11-21-2011

    Originally posted by Tom From Mabank View Post
    Hellow all,

    I just finished listening to Bob's Friday show (Nov. 18). Yesterday I was invited to the home of a Christian friend. One of his guests was a Ph.D. (physicist). He and I talked. Out of curiosity, I asked him if he were a Christian. He answered, "of course!" But as our conversation progressed, I thought I was talking to AaronRa. Nothing was true, not even that he existed. He, like AaronRa, argued that we would basically have to know everything to know anything. And he argued that what was true for me was not necessarily true for him. My pointing out to him that truth can't be relative or subjective went over his head.

    And then he said something that astonished me. He posited that God could even change what was true. But then I asked him if the truth was changed, would it still be true? And I pointed out that Jesus said, "I am the Truth..." and asked if Jesus changed what was true, He would be denying Himself? Our host, who is a Christian like myself, was becoming embarrassed by this very educated man's answers. So I politely ended the conversation.

    Why do atheists shy away from anything absolute? Because in their worldview, there can be no absolutes. For a matter to be absolutely morally wrong or right, an Authority above man has to exist. So atheist have given up this moral high ground and are forced to argue that there is no absolute right or wrong. But then they come on ToL and post how immoral God is for killing the Ites or condoning slavery, or.... But when they do this, they are being illogical, arbitrary, and inconsistent within their worldview. They use God's moral prescriptions to condemn a God they claim does not exist. If they stay within their atheist worldview, they have no moral foundation to condemn any behavior. They must borrow from the Christian worldview to argue against the Christian worldview.

    Now, as AaronRa shows on Bob's show, they must shy away from truth. "There is no Truth." But is that true? Pilate, about 2,000 years ago, said to Jesus, "What is truth" (John 18:38). Pilate was totally unaware that The Truth was standing before him. So why does truth affect atheist as the Cross affects Dracula? I contend that when atheists admit that anything is absolute, they are getting dangerously close to God. So we hear phrases like: "Science can't prove that anything is true." "What's true for you is not true for me." "There is no truth." "Truth is relative." But all relativistic arguments defeat themselves.

    A few Bible truths:

    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD [JESUS] WAS GOD" (John 1:1).

    "I am the way, the TRUTH, and the life..." (John 14:6).

    "... the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you" (John 14:17; and see John 15:26).

    "... everyone who is of the truth hears My voice" (John 18:37).

    God's word is truth (John 17:17).

    Atheists instinctively know that to admit any absolutes, they must admit a God exists.

    Atheists are now moving in the direction of arguing that the laws of logic are not absoute but conventional (what's agreed upon by society). In "The Great Debate" between Christian Dr. Bahnsen and atheist Dr. Stein, Dr. Stein argued that the laws of logic were not absolute but conventional, or "What's logical for you is not logical for me." Sound familiar? But Dr. Bahnsen pointed out to Dr. Stein that if laws of logic were relative, then he could claim that his argument was logical and Dr. Stein's arguments were logical and both coud not be logical or illogical so they may as well go home and watch TV.

    Why are atheists moving in this direction? Because apart from God, they can't justify logic and reason apart from logic and reason (circular). So if laws of logic are absolute, then they must look for a basis for logic and reason apart from logic and reason. Again, they are getting dangerously close to a Creator.

    For any atheist to argue against what I have posted here, they must use laws of logic and rational (most likely irrational) thought. But logic and reason are not physical. So what they are doing is using the immaterial laws of logic and reason to argue that nothing but the physical exists. This can be likened to arguing against the existence of gravity whle using gravity to stand on the ground and make an argument. Atheist are illogical, arbitrary, and inconsistent.

    WARNING: Graphic video here.

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    Where is the evidence for a global flood?
    "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

    "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
    -Bob B.


    • #3
      Great Post!

      June is Gay Pride Month.Tolerance and diversity? ☞ More like tolerate perversity.☠


      • #4
        Condensed wisdom! Love it.
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