Getting raped for being momentarily distracted or gullible is no reasonable proportion.
I never said that it was. Again, you are conflating senses 1, 2 and 3. I'm saying that a woman who leaves her drink unattended at a frat party and gets raped "deserves it" in the sense of 3 (i.e., she should have known better; she should have seen it coming). You are talking as though I said that she deserves it in sense 2.
Getting murdered over a feces mess is no reasonable proportion.
I haven't commented on the feces mess. Why do you insist on bringing it up?
Name a defect that a non-rapist woman would show rising to the level of rape. It isn't going to be looking away from a drink.
If a woman goes out to commit adultery and is raped on the way, I would consider that poetic justice. :idunno:
You mean a domestic rapist getting raped
I wasn't thinking in terms of sexual abuse. I simply had in mind the man who beats his wife.
To say "shame on you" for not taking "reasonable" measures is wrong. The only reasonable measure that can be taken to effectively protect against predation is to catch and punish the predator.
I'm inclined to think that you are just wrong. I fully grant that there are no absolute safeguards for a woman to avoid being raped. But there are concrete things that she can do to make sure that it's substantially less likely.
And, again, women
know this. I'm not saying anything controversial. It's common knowledge.
Otherwise we are in an arms race, loading up with mace and chastity belts, always going out in a militant troup, etc.
There's reasonable vs. unreasonable measures. That said, I do think that you should carry mace. It's probably a good idea. :idunno:
Virtue isn't granted via superior defenses. It just ensures the perp will choose a more vulnerable target instead. So it shifts the problem to another woman.
So what? That's like saying that I shouldn't be considered foolish if I leave my doors unlocked and my valuables in the front seat of my car. Had I done these things, the thief simply would have chosen another car instead. It just shifts the problem to another car owner.
Trad, do you think that we could reduce the rape rate by little things like watching drinks, or do you think rapist tactics would just continue evolving to find new chinks in the armor of women?
You're misunderstanding me. My point has nothing to do with "the rape rate" in general. I'm simply saying that there are common sense things that women can and should be doing to protect themselves, and they are foolish if they don't.
You are foolish if you leave your drink unattended at a frat house party.
Can you be raped if you don't? Sure. But that's no excuse not to take what reasonable precautions you can.
Why not add twenty other things to that list? Why not insist she wear no perfume, in case it incites a violent radical Muslim to rape?
Again, "reasonable" vs. "unreasonable." That said, if a woman were living in an area in which it were common to for radical Muslims to rape perfume-wearing women, I would strongly urge the women living in that area to avoid wearing perfume.
