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Only in the minds of the Darwinian's.
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Why Evolution is real science - let's settle this "debate"!
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Only in the minds of the Darwinian's.
SUTG
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You mean the science community.
Right Divider
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No, I meant what I said.
ThisIsMyUserName
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Hi and welcome. Many thanks for your post.
Should you feel impatient, you can message me directly, for I will not start the discussion until everyone is on board.
I'm glad we agree about falsifiability. You can contribute towards showing where the theory is wrong. However technically, the premise didn't call the theory a fact, but rather the fact that evolution takes place
We agree on what a theory is. A law however has no explanatory power, that's why it doesn't count. But I agree with you about the law being less susceptible to mistakes.
Correct! This and the other list are currently still placeholders. I was hoping that everyone who participates in the discussion would contribute towards filling out the lists. Mine were mere examples
I think we have a lot in common. Regardless of your position on this matter, I'm looking forward to a productive conversation. But I'm still waiting for more people to help out with the formalities, which currently isn't really working very well, as you can see ....
Should you feel impatient, you can message me directly, for I will not start the discussion until everyone is on board.
Jose Fly
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Never underestimate just how much creationists will deny. As you can see, they will even deny that evolutionary theory is broadly accepted within the scientific community, and has been so for well over a century.
Like just about everything else in these "discussions", you can show them all the data and information, and they'll still deny it. That's what makes it so fascinating.
Sounds like you're trying to move the goalposts here.
According to the first and second laws of thermodynamics, a rock cannot create itself, and a fire cannot burn forever. Therefore the only possible explanation (and please, feel free to provide a fourth explanation, if you can) is that something OUTSIDE of this universe created it. And because that something is outside the universe, it is therefore not bound by this universe's laws.
God created this universe, therefore He is not bound by the first and second laws of thermodynamics. His existence does not require a cause, whereas this universe does as it could not have come into existence naturally.
Now, I know you said "of nature" in that paragraph, but let's look at something not in nature, say, a grandfather clock.
A Grandfather clock is a very complex system that exists that is not conscious and therefore cannot intend things, and nonetheless still manages to achieve complex, ordered results.
The only difference between a grandfather clock and examples from nature is that the grandfather clock is not from nature.
That doesn't mean that both weren't designed... We know that a grandfather clock was designed, yet you say that something with the same description that's in nature can't be designed because it's in nature.
That's not a very good argument.
Now let's look at any kind of living cell...
A _____ cell is a very complex system that exists that is not conscious and therefore cannot intend things, and nonetheless still manages to achieve complex, ordered results.
So what's the difference? A grandfather Clock was designed by humans, obviously, but let's say you discovered one in nature, and didn't know what it was, or how it functioned, yet there it was tick-tocking away like nobody's business. Would you instantly think, "OH, that must have evolved, because it couldn't have been designed!"? Or would you think, "Wow, that's some pretty great design for it to be tick-tocking away like that, and have a complex ordered result that even gives the time of day!"?
"Appeal to nature" much? :think:
"Simple components"? You call molecular legs "simple"?
Let me ask you something:
How many living organisms come out of a freshly dead corpse? NONE! You have all the right ingredients for life, and yet no new life arises. And yet you expect life to have arisen from atoms and molecules that had no particular order or arrangement?
"As of yet unknown"?
What happened to following the evidence wherever it leads instead of trying to fit the evidence to evolution/naturalism/big bang/etc.?
So the many Fathers of Modern Sciences that were Christian don't count because they, as Kepler put it, "thought God's thoughts after Him"?
You seem to be trying to dumb down the God of the Bible to make Him seem impotent, all while Creationists (yes, through scientific advancements) show Him to be infinitely creative and powerful.
Wrong again.
While it's possible (and even likely) that some Christians who don't get too deep into the sciences would say "God did it" and leave it at that, those who are truly interested in exploring creation would look to see how it was done.
Johannes Kepler is an excellent example of this.
Evolution is broadly accepted within the scientific community. Has been for more than a century. How could anyone not know this? It's the Darwinists' first port of call when challenged regarding the evidence.
jsanford108
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What action do you need from me, specifically, to get this conversation rolling?Hi and welcome. Many thanks for your post.
I'm glad we agree about falsifiability. You can contribute towards showing where the theory is wrong. However technically, the premise didn't call the theory a fact, but rather the fact that evolution takes place
We agree on what a theory is. A law however has no explanatory power, that's why it doesn't count. But I agree with you about the law being less susceptible to mistakes.
Correct! This and the other list are currently still placeholders. I was hoping that everyone who participates in the discussion would contribute towards filling out the lists. Mine were mere examples
I think we have a lot in common. Regardless of your position on this matter, I'm looking forward to a productive conversation. But I'm still waiting for more people to help out with the formalities, which currently isn't really working very well, as you can see ....
Should you feel impatient, you can message me directly, for I will not start the discussion until everyone is on board.
Jose Fly
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You should let Right Divider know.
way 2 go
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Jose Fly
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Er....um....????
Are saying RD agreed that evolution is broadly accepted in the scientific community, and has been so for over a century?
Greg Jennings
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Do you think any university professor would agree?
Do you like trafficking with ignorant folk?
Greg Jennings
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So you are stubbornly wrong again...so were the Christians who imprisoned Galileo until death...
How many times is that now? :chuckle:
iouae
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We have the geologic column (fact) which shows that earth was occupied by different sets of creatures or biomes, at different times. We have the Cambrian explosion when life explodes onto the scene. We have the early Palaeozoic, when sea life proliferates. We have the Carboniferous, when earth is covered by trees which are turned to coal. We have the Mesozoic or Age of the reptiles (dinosaurs) followed by the Cenozoic or age of mammals, culminating in the Holocene, or age of man. These are facts.
Each age had its producers and apex predators, and Dinosaurs were not contemporaneous with Cenozoic mammals.
And the geologic column shows there were multiple mass extinctions followed by the appearance of a completely new cast of creatures, as if one scene of a play ended, and another began. These are to me, indisputable facts.
I personally have no time for terminology, because terminology is developed to suit a particular paradigm, or way of thinking. Forget terminology. Agree on or argue about the facts.
For instance is the earth older than 6000 years? Obviously.
Did Dinosaurs exist on earth with Cenozoic and modern mammals? Obviously not. Fossils do not intermingle.
Then decide for yourself, did they jump, or were they pushed? Do you believe God dunnit, or nature dunnit?
I know from past discussions, YEC will believe in a 6000 year old earth, all evidence to the contrary.
I know from past discussions, evolutionists will believe there is no Creator motivating the changes, no Creator tweaking the DNA, no Creator guiding the process, so that God could create a world suitable for man, and begin the desire of His heart, which is creating Beings in His image.
Good luck with a polite discussion which resolves these issues, and I really like what you are trying to achieve here in this thread ThisIsMyUsername.
Each age had its producers and apex predators, and Dinosaurs were not contemporaneous with Cenozoic mammals.
And the geologic column shows there were multiple mass extinctions followed by the appearance of a completely new cast of creatures, as if one scene of a play ended, and another began. These are to me, indisputable facts.
I personally have no time for terminology, because terminology is developed to suit a particular paradigm, or way of thinking. Forget terminology. Agree on or argue about the facts.
For instance is the earth older than 6000 years? Obviously.
Did Dinosaurs exist on earth with Cenozoic and modern mammals? Obviously not. Fossils do not intermingle.
Then decide for yourself, did they jump, or were they pushed? Do you believe God dunnit, or nature dunnit?
I know from past discussions, YEC will believe in a 6000 year old earth, all evidence to the contrary.
I know from past discussions, evolutionists will believe there is no Creator motivating the changes, no Creator tweaking the DNA, no Creator guiding the process, so that God could create a world suitable for man, and begin the desire of His heart, which is creating Beings in His image.
Good luck with a polite discussion which resolves these issues, and I really like what you are trying to achieve here in this thread ThisIsMyUsername.
How do you or any person who believes that each strata in the geologic column represents a certain period of time explain polystrate fossils?
iouae
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I believe that many strata can be laid down, for instance in a flood, or volcanic explosion. While these are still plastic, they can get bent or folded too. Under these conditions, fossils get fossilised. Strata may also get formed slowly over great lengths of time.
At Yellowstone National Park there are hundreds of polystrate pine trees, when a volcano erupted and many layers of mud and ash were produced such that the trees sank into the water standing up, without their roots. All those layers were laid down in one catastrophic event.
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Anyone else?
Right Divider
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Nonsense per your usual. You probably think that Hitler was a "Christian" too.