When does the biblical day begin?

Tambora

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Correct, and the preparation day for the Passover has nothing to do with the weekly Sabbath, there is no connection.
I agree. The preparation for the Passover cannot because Unleavened Bread does not always fall on the day before a weekly sabbath.
So "preparation" of Passover can fall on any day of the week and is not limited to a day before weekly sabbath day.
 

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'The preparation/paraskeue' literally means 'the day before the weekly Sabbath'.

And is not related to the preparation for the Passover. No where in scripture is the preparation day defined as the sixth day of the week.

The week Jesus died there was preparation made for Unleavened Bread and there was preparation made for the weekly Sabbath, but they were not connected.
 

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'The preparation/paraskeue' literally means 'the day before the weekly Sabbath'.
But the preparation of Passover does not, as it does not always begin on the day before the weekly sabbath.


The preparation day is when all the work is done (remove leaven, kill the lamb, bake unleavened bread, roast the lamb), and no work was to be done on the weekly sabbath.
What happens if the preparation of Passover DOES fall on a weekly sabbath day?
 

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And is not related to the preparation for the Passover. No where in scripture is the preparation day defined as the sixth day of the week.

The week Jesus died there was preparation made for Unleavened Bread and there was preparation made for the weekly Sabbath, but they were not connected.

Mar 15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,

Mar 15:42 And when evening was now come (because it was the Parasceve, that is, the day before the sabbath),-DRB



If you go to Greece on a Friday and ask what day it is they will tell you, "Paraskeve".

I asked a Coptic/Egyptian Christian, "What does the word 'Paraskeve' mean to you?" and he replied, "Oh...that's the day before the 7th day Sabbath."

When speaking of the 'preparing' for the Passover meal, the Scripture always uses the word 'hetoimazo'.
 

Jerry Shugart

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When was the Passover killed?

Everything, from the killing of the passover lamb ubtil the eating of the passover meal took place on the 14th:

"And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD"
(Num.28:16).​

Therefore, we can understand that the evening when the passover meal was eaten did not begin a new day:

"In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover" (Lev.23:5).​

This is so simple!
 

steko

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But the preparation of Passover does not, as it does not always begin on the day before the weekly sabbath.


The preparation day is when all the work is done (remove leaven, kill the lamb, bake unleavened bread, roast the lamb), and no work was to be done on the weekly sabbath.
What happens if the preparation of Passover DOES fall on a weekly sabbath day?

The word 'Paraskue/paraskeve' always refers to the 'getting ready' of all that needs to be done before the 7th day Sabbath begins.

'Hetoimazo' is always the word used referring to the 'getting ready' of all that needs to be done for the Passover meal.
 

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Yep, the Word is clear enough; the time of evening begins at about "the time when women go forth to draw water", (as already mentioned and referenced from the Torah), and that time according to the Gospel of John is "about the sixth hour", (as already mentioned and referenced from the Gospel of John). So an evening consists of about six hours, (as already explained), and an evening and a morning are a yom, (as already explained), and between the evenings then must be roundabout the ninth hour, (as already explained). :chuckle:

The sixth hour is midday; "Are there not 12 hours in a day" As Jesus said.

12 hours of day light and 12 hours of night.

The ninth hour is about 3pm (the hour when Jesus died). In fact Jesus was put on the cross at 9am and at 12pm the sky became dark till He died at 3pm.

Their were also three offerings made daily in the temple at 9am, 12pm & 3pm.

The night was also broken into 4 watches 6-9pm, 9-12am, 12-3am & 3-6am.
 

Jerry Shugart

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The Passover was killed between the evenings and eaten that night after sunset.

Here we can see the events which illustrate the events in regard to the passover:

"And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? And he sendeth forth two of his disciples, and saith unto them, Go ye into the city, and there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: follow him. And wheresoever he shall go in, say ye to the goodman of the house, The Master saith, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? And he will shew you a large upper room furnished and prepared: there make ready for us. And his disciples went forth, and came into the city, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. And in the evening he cometh with the twelve. And as they sat and did eat" (Mk.14:12-18).​

All of these events took place on the 14th:

"And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD"
(Num.28:16).​

Therefore, when the Lord sat down to eat with the Apostles IN THE EVENING a new day did not begin.
 

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The word 'Paraskue/paraskeve' always refers to the 'getting ready' of all that needs to be done before the 7th day Sabbath begins.

'Hetoimazo' is always the word used referring to the 'getting ready' of all that needs to be done for the Passover meal.
so there were two separate preparation days - one for Passover and one for weekly sabbath.


Matthew 27:62 KJV
(62) Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,


Did the chief priests and Pharisees go to Pilate on the weekly sabbath day to elect a guard over the tomb for 3 days?
 

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The Jewish say consisted of a period of 12 hours of darkness followed by 12 hours of Light. Jesus said; "A day has 12 hours has it not? So work while the light is with you."

If a day, the period of Light has 12 hours, then the previous period of Darkness, also had 12 Hours.

To stop all arguments, one only has to read the Gospel of John. Jesus held the Passover with his disciples on the evening of 14th day of Abib as commanded by the Lord.

Numbers 28: 16; The Passover Festival in honour of the Lord, is to be held on the 14th day of the first month.

Concerning the day of Passover, the Lord says in Exodus 12: 14; “You must celebrate ‘THIS DAY’*as a religious festival to remind you of what I, the Lord have done, Celebrate it (One day)*for all time to come.

Numbers 28: 16; On the fifteenth day a religious festival begins which lasts seven days, during which, only unleavened bread is to be eaten. On the first day of the seven day festival of unleavened bread, (The 15th day of Abib) you are to gather for worship and no work is to be done………………. On the last day (The 21st of Abib) you must meet for worship and do no work.

Numbers 33: 3; the people of Israel left Egypt on the 15th day of the first month of the year, the day 'AFTER' the first Passover.

Jesus ate the Passover meal on the day commanded by the Lord. Unlike the Jewish church, who had abandoned the one day Festival of Passover, and had incorporated the Passover meal into the first of their seven day festival of Unleavened Bread, and to them, the 14th day of Passover, became the day of preparation when they slaughtered their Pascal Lambs.

After Jesus had eaten the Passover meal in accordance to the commands of the Lord, he was arrested in the darkness of the Jews day of preparation to their Passover, he was sentenced to death by Pilate at the 6th hour (Midnight) on the day of Preparation to the Passover, he was nailed to the cross on the 3rd hour (9 AM) of the 12 hour period of light on the day of preparation, darkness covered the land from the 6th hour to the 9th hour (Midday to 3 PM) on the day of preparation to the Passover, and he was buried toward evening (6 PM) on the day of preparation to the Passover.

12 hours of darkness followed by 12 hours of Light. See NRV; John 19: 14. Mark 15: 23. Matthew 27: 45-46. Mark 15: 42-43. Luke 23: 54. John 19: 31.

John 19:31
Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.

The Sabbath was on the 15th (as it always is) and preparation day was the 14th. Jesus was killed at the same time the Passover lambs were being killed:

Exodus 12:6 (Interlinear Bible) http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/exo12.pdf
and he becomes to you for charge until four ten day to the month and they slay him all of assembly of
congregation of Israel between the evenings

'Between the evenings' means that day (A day is from Evening to Evening).

The Passover meal Jesus ate with His disciples was on the 14th just after sunset and the disciples had prepared this feast in the upper-room on the 13th, during the day time before sunset:

Mark 14:12
On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus' disciples asked him, "Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat the Passover?"

The 13th was recognised by many Jews as the first day of the festival because Some Jews such as the Essenes would fast for the same three days that Esther fasted for, in recognition of the event in Babylon that save all Israel from certain death. Most Christians are unfamiliar with this but Jewish people know more about this special fast:

Jesus was fulfilling this three day fast of Esther that began on day 13 of month 1 (Aviv) and
lasted three days:

Esther 3:12
Then on the thirteenth day of the first month the royal secretaries were summoned.

Later that day:

Esther 4:15-16
15 Then Esther sent this reply to Mordecai: 16 “Go, gather together all the Jews who are in Susa, and fast for me. Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. I and my attendants will fast as you do. When this is done, I will go to the king, even though it is against the law. And if I perish, I perish.”

Esther broke with tradition and rather than eat the Passover meal she decided to fast in the hope of receiving God’s Favour, as she was about to break a law that could have resulted in her receiving a death sentence. After the last supper Jesus also fasted over these same three days, ending on the evening of the sixteenth day when He broke bread with Cleopas and the other disciple in Emmaus. He then immediately appeared to the eleven disciples in the upper room that night and asked for some broiled fish to eat. His disciples also fasted over that time just as Jesus had said they would:

Mark 2:19-20
19 Jesus answered, “How can the guests of the bridegroom fast while he is with them? They cannot, so long as they have him with them. 20 But the time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them, and on that day they will fast.
 

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John 19:14 KJV
(14) And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
 

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I should have added that if Firstfruits always fell on the day after the "high sabbath" of unleavened bread (meaning the first day of unleavened bread), then a date could be set for Firstfruits as the 16th.
But no set date is given for Firstfruits other than after the weekly sabbath day during the week of unleavended bread (which date will change from year to year), so not set date can be given.

Yes it is a tricky question. The Bible says the Passover is always on the 14th Aviv

Numbers 28:16
"'On the fourteenth day of the first month the LORD's Passover is to be held.

and the Sabbath was on the 15th

John 19:31
Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.

And the day of first fruits was on the 16th:

Leviticus 23

Offering the Firstfruits

9The Lord said to Moses, 10“Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring to the priest a sheaf of the first grain you harvest. 11He is to wave the sheaf before the Lord so it will be accepted on your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath.

Then how can this happen every year? :)

Would you like to know the answer?
 

Jerry Shugart

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John 19:14 KJV
(14) And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

Sir Robert Anderson writes:

"But does not St. John expressly state that it was 'the preparation of the Passover,' and must not this necessarily mean the fourteenth of Nisan? The plain answer is, that not a single passage has been cited from writings either sacred or profane in which that day is so described; whereas among the Jews 'the preparation' was the common name for the day before the Sabbath, and it is so used by all the Evangelists. And bearing this in mind, let the reader compare the fourteenth verse of the nineteenth chapter of St. John with the thirty-first and forty-second verses of the same chapter, and he will have no difficulty in rendering the words in question, 'it was Passover Friday'"
(Anderson, The Coming Prince [Grand Rapids: Kregel Classics, 1957], 112-13).​

This translation agrees:

"The time was about six o'clock in the morning on the Friday of the Passover festival. Pilate said to the Jews, "Look, here's your king!"
(Jn.19:14; God's Word Translation).​
 

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But the preparation of Passover does not, as it does not always begin on the day before the weekly sabbath.


The preparation day is when all the work is done (remove leaven, kill the lamb, bake unleavened bread, roast the lamb), and no work was to be done on the weekly sabbath.
What happens if the preparation of Passover DOES fall on a weekly sabbath day?

Yes that's another tricky one, would you like to know the answer?
 

WatchmanOnTheWall

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Here we can see the events which illustrate the events in regard to the passover:

"And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? And he sendeth forth two of his disciples, and saith unto them, Go ye into the city, and there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: follow him. And wheresoever he shall go in, say ye to the goodman of the house, The Master saith, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? And he will shew you a large upper room furnished and prepared: there make ready for us. And his disciples went forth, and came into the city, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. And in the evening he cometh with the twelve. And as they sat and did eat" (Mk.14:12-18).​

All of these events took place on the 14th:

"And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD"
(Num.28:16).​

Therefore, when the Lord sat down to eat with the Apostles IN THE EVENING a new day did not begin.

Genesis 1:5
God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

The day starts at sunset when evening begins:

Exodus 12:8 - 12
That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast.

12“On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn of both people and animals, and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the Lord.

The lamb is killed on the 14th and Eaten on the 15th.
 

jamie

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If you go to Greece on a Friday and ask what day it is they will tell you, "Paraskeve".

I asked a Coptic/Egyptian Christian, "What does the word 'Paraskeve' mean to you?" and he replied, "Oh...that's the day before the 7th day Sabbath."

When speaking of the 'preparing' for the Passover meal, the Scripture always uses the word 'hetoimazo'.

The Torah was originally written in Hebrew, the Greek came later.
 

jamie

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"And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD" (Num.28:16).​

Therefore, when the Lord sat down to eat with the Apostles IN THE EVENING a new day did not begin.

The Passover was killed between the evenings on the 14th just as Jesus was. The second evening began a new 24-hour day.

In Jesus' case the Holy Day began as Jesus was buried and the Passover meal was eaten that night.
 
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