Utah guv: Give anesthesia to babies during abortions

[musterion]

The Republican governor of Utah said on Wednesday that he would consider signing a proposed bill requiring the use of anesthesia on babies that are being murdered in the womb, opining that it may be the “most humane” way of ending a child’s life.

Gov. Gary Herbert said that he is personally opposed to abortion, but remarked that if the practice is considered legal in America, it should be carried out as “humanely” as possible.

“You know, abortion is a very emotional issue,” he told reporters at a news conference. “Rather than get into the abortion debate, I guess the question is: If we’re going to have abortion, what is the most humane way to do it?”

http://christiannews.net/2016/02/18...-murdered-may-be-most-humane-abortion-method/

He's not defending or mitigating abortion. Because it's legal, his view is that the pain of murdered babies should be lessened as much as possible in the interest of the baby being a human person.

Leftists complain that convicted multiple murderers are cruelly and unusually punished by lethal injection. Well, I don't see them being ripped apart alive and fully aware of their pain, as babies are...but of course, "that's different."

Poll question for the honest, not for the usual dissemblers and prevaricators.

 

[Nick M]

A lifeless, mindless zygote can't feel or think. Who cares, right?

 

[musterion]

A lifeless, mindless zygote can't feel or think. Who cares, right?

No one who believes that will actually vote it. That much they've taught me here on TOL.

 

[theophilus]

"humane"...how ironic.

 

[PureX]

It's just more political hay-making. One more politician pretending to be a doctor, or scientists, or priest, or our best buddy, or whatever else he thinks will keep him in a position of power.

 

[musterion]

Now observe as PureX never gets around to casting his vote.

 

[PureX]

Now observe as PureX never gets around to casting his vote.

Simpleton that you are, you didn't offer all the possible options. You only offered the two options that your limited extremist mind could comprehend. When you mature intellectually, if you ever do, and you can finally recognize the other possible options, I'll happily choose the ones I feel appropriate.

 

[musterion]

Simpleton that you are, you didn't offer all the possible options. You only offered the two options that your limited extremist mind could comprehend. When you mature intellectually, if you ever do, and you can finally recognize the other possible options, I'll happily choose the ones I feel appropriate.

I can't alter the poll but if I could, what option would you vote for if I added it? Name it.

 

[Traditio]

I have difficulty with this either way.

"If you are going to murder so and so, be sure to offer him or her painkillers"?

Would we ever say such a thing outside of the "abortion debate"?

This is about on par with saying that homosexual prostitutes should use condoms.

Is that where we're at? :noid:

 

[Crucible]

I doubt unborn children, to that degree, even feel 'conscious' pain, but rather 'blind sight' pain.

Technically speaking it's only theory, but it's a very sensible one- a proposed phenomena in which a brain not fully advanced and self-aware does not experience pain in the same severeness as one who is advanced and self-aware.

 

[musterion]

This is about on par with saying that homosexual prostitutes should use condoms.

No it isn't.

 

[musterion]

I doubt unborn children, to that degree, even feel 'conscious' pain, but rather 'blind sight' pain.

Technically speaking it's only theory, but it's a very sensible one- a proposed phenomena in which a brain not fully advanced and self-aware does not experience pain in the same severeness as one who is advanced and self-aware.

An advanced partial birth abortee would likely disagree with you. But vote anyway, you seem to want option 3.

 

[Crucible]

An advanced partial birth abortee would likely disagree with you. But vote anyway, you seem to want option 3.

It's a loaded poll.

I'm not too big a fan of this subject anyway, because abortion being 'murder' is an evolved, arbitrary claim in which the Bible ultimately doesn't agree with you on. The Old Law was more concerned with harm to the mother than the fetus. Other than that, there is no more mention of it.

I don't see how people not understand what 'unborn' is. The unborn have more in common with a mere conception of potential existence than that of being born and autonomous. To say otherwise doesn't add to the life of a fetus, but subtract from the life of those born.

Nonetheless, I'm against abortion. The difference is that it's out of real reasons, not made up, reactionary ones

 

[PureX]

I can't alter the poll but if I could, what option would you vote for if I added it? Name it.

Well, for one, the option that it's all a political stunt with no intended outcome but to gain votes. For another, it's an intelligence test for the anti-abortion crowd … which they will fail, miserably.

 

[Traditio]

No it isn't.

The idea is that condoms are "permissible" for homosexual prostitutes because they couldn't be using them for contraceptive purposes. It would pretty much be just STD prevention.

The fact remains that homosexual prostitution isn't cool and the whole question shouldn't arise in the first place. :noid:

Likewise for this whole anesthesia business.

It's like asking if Dr. Mengele should have given his "patients" anesthetics. Er...?

 

[musterion]

Well, for one, the option that it's all a political stunt with no intended outcome but to gain votes. For another, it's an intelligence test for the anti-abortion crowd … which they will fail, miserably.

I asked an honest question. Please answer it.

If I could add a poll option on the issue of the governor's proposal that you could vote on, what would it be?

 

[musterion]

The idea is that condoms are "permissible" for homosexual prostitutes because they couldn't be using them for contraceptive purposes. It would pretty much be just STD prevention.

The fact remains that homosexual prostitution isn't cool and the whole question shouldn't arise in the first place. :noid:

Likewise for this whole anesthesia business.

It's like asking if Dr. Mengele should have given his "patients" anesthetics. Er...?

Your faulty Jesuit logic is showing.

 

[PureX]

I asked an honest question. Please answer it.

If I could add a poll option on the issue of the governor's proposal that you could vote on, what would it be?

I did. Apparently you're unable to grasp my response. As I'd already explained to be the case.

 

[Dialogos]

I did. Apparently you're unable to grasp my response. As I'd already explained to be the case.

Right, because all of us ant-abortionists are unintelligent.

So I guess the only thing to do is enlighten us right?

Lets start with enlightening us on an easy question.

PureX, Is the unborn fetus of a human mother a human, yes or no?

Since you are so intelligent, this one should be easy for you.

 

[ok doser]

i don't get it

how can a "blob of cells" feel pain?