Trump Has A Mandate

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Trump doesn't have a mandate, Hillary Clinton has a mandate.

As mail-in and absentee voter ballots continue to trickle in and the country braces for President-elect Donald Trump to step into power, Hillary Clinton quietly marked a milestone.
The latest election totals showed that Mrs Clinton, who lost to outsider Mr Trump last month, has received more votes than Mr Obama did in his 2012 victory, according to data from the National Archives and a running total by the nonpartisan Cook Political Report.

She has overtaken Mr Trump by nearly 2.8 million votes (48% to Mr Trump's 46%).

Mrs Clinton's lead is the largest of the five times when a US presidential candidate won the popular vote but failed to win the election.

In fact, aside from Mr Obama's 2008 win, Mrs Clinton has received more votes than any other US presidential candidate in history.

And who be the president?
 

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You think getting us into a war we didn't have to fight at a cost we really couldn't afford while telling the American people it would finance itself is a plus on the ledger instead of a lame side step and excuse? :plain:

If they did it to Russia, they would have mobilized so fast the tread marks would be permanently scorched into the Earth.

You see, because that's something a country declares war on.

It's also not their response to the problem.

Within what deep, secret tomb can I find this holy scroll containing the Left's intention of controlling illegal immigration?

Here goes the irrational race card again, coupled with a willfully mistaken, phobic-eyed view of Islam. That can only mean one thing: he's about to double down.

The only thing irrational is pointing at a mosque with crusader text engraved in it's wall and saying that they aren't supporting Islamic militants on the other side.

I mean, you all went after white people on account of a Latino killing a black kid so.. I suppose it's irrational to expect you to be rational :rolleyes:

Bam. Nothing says "I've got a rational handle on how things are" quite like a member of the most empowered and privileged set in America playing the victim card.

I'm not a feminist :rotfl:

The only thing rising about the alt right is its mistaken sense of empowerment.

Go tell that to the UK, who blame them for Brexit :idunno:

Didn't have a candidate in the election, but the EC cost the Dems the election and I've spoken at length to that particular.

My conclusion to the entire debate there is that the EC was put in place to check socialism. It's a theme from Hamilton to now, and that is why it doesn't work out for the Left when it rejects a majority.

By all accounts, the Founding Fathers were simply against what you all favor :chuckle:
 

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If they did it to Russia, they would have mobilized so fast the tread marks would be permanently scorched into the Earth.
Setting aside that the war that broke the bank was in a country that had nothing to do with 911, you believe the moral equivalency we should strive for is with Russia? :plain:

You see, because that's something a country declares war on.
You declare war on countries that harm you, not on the nearest thug you can lay hands on because you think it will end with oil, glory, money for certain friendly interests and celebrations from the locals.

Within what deep, secret tomb can I find this holy scroll containing the Left's intention of controlling illegal immigration?
This is going to be foreign to your mindset, but the left doesn't have one idea or approach on the topic. And those aren't state secrets. You can find them with a Google.

The only thing irrational is pointing at a mosque with crusader text engraved in it's wall and saying that they aren't supporting Islamic militants on the other side.
Ah, another uncited story. Which mosque? What do you mean by "crusader text"? There was a mosque in Glasgow vandalized with "crusader text" and a right wing militia group in Kansas that called themselves "Crusaders" who'd planned on attacking a mosque and other Muslim targets.

I mean, you all went after white people on account of a Latino killing a black kid so.
See, it's still just me. I'm not part of your fantasy life and you can feel free to quote me anytime you want. As always, I'll wait while those voices of yours move to the next irrational grouping.

I suppose it's irrational to expect you to be rational
No, but it's like you to be unintentionally ironic.

I'm not a feminist
You're not a lot of things.

Go tell that to the UK, who blame them for Brexit
Man will that be something when a) you cite "them" blaming the Alt right, b) there's some real data to support it and c) it has something to do with our election.

My conclusion to the entire debate there is that the EC was put in place to check socialism.
You can believe it was put in place as a gentleman's club with as much substance.

By all accounts, the Founding Fathers were simply against what you all favor
Once again, my honesty challenged rhetorical friend, it's only me here. And the Founders weren't the Apostles, they were simply a group of men who began a great experiment in government. They got all sorts of things horribly wrong. Some of what they got wrong required blood to set right (slavery). Some went the way of the Dodo with a gentler shove (as with the Suffrage movement). It's in the nature of men to botch things and struggle with the right. Their "protections" didn't safeguard minorities, tore the nation in half, etc.

It took human suffering over generations, war, and a steady effort on the part of people you routinely excoriate today to end those errors and move us closer to our stated principles. But don't let the facts get in the way of all that trolling, unsustainable nonsense you have bottled up inside of you.

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The Republican party creates all the problems in America, blames the Democrats for them and then blocks all their efforts to fix these problems .
 

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Setting aside that the war that broke the bank was in a country that had nothing to do with 911, you believe the moral equivalency we should strive for is with Russia? :plain:

America wanted war, but it's just like some people to sit up on a high horse later on, call it all wrong, and declare innocence :rolleyes:

Ah, another uncited story. Which mosque? What do you mean by "crusader text"? There was a mosque in Glasgow vandalized with "crusader text" and a right wing militia group in Kansas that called themselves "Crusaders" who'd planned on attacking a mosque and other Muslim targets.

Someone on here had attempted to defend these mosques, saying there wasn't anything inherently violent about what was written. I brought up that it was medieval Muslim text which the media never caught because, like so many geniuses on here, don't know jack about anything :rotfl:

So, you can go on and believe what you want. The reason I don't often cite things is because it's simply a waste on many of you. I'm not in that business, hombre.

Man will that be something when a) you cite "them" blaming the Alt right, b) there's some real data to support it and c) it has something to do with our election.

The UK's media, like here in the US, has taken to calling everyone and everything vile, racist, and bigoted. Just like how you all act with Trump, so to did they with Brexit :chuckle:
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

And the Founders weren't the Apostles, they were simply a group of men who began a great experiment in government. They got all sorts of things horribly wrong.

Basically, they got America horribly wrong.

Thanks for making my case. Now get out :wave2:
 

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In retrospect, it's amazing we didn't see it coming. What with all the crying the Left has done over literally everything- of course the EC would be next in the cross hairs :rolleyes:
 

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America wanted war
No, we wanted vengeance. Attacking the wrong country isn't getting that.

, but it's just like some people to sit up on a high horse later on, call it all wrong, and declare innocence
I actually opposed the war from the outset. So did a right wing friend of mine.

Someone on here had attempted to defend these mosques, saying there wasn't anything inherently violent about what was written.
Someone defended some mosque? How about some citation? I gave you a couple in mine.

I brought up that it was medieval Muslim text which the media never caught because, like so many geniuses on here, don't know jack about anything.
Your lips to...your posts, often enough.

So, you can go on and believe what you want.
I'll believe facts and reason supported by authority. I don't believe something simply because someone says it's so, unless it's an eye witness account by someone whose word and memory are reliable.

The reason I don't often cite things is because it's simply a waste on many of you.
I have no real reason to believe that given how often I've seen you state things I've proven wrong with citation to actual evidence or simple examination, as with your errant declaration on the Apostles a bit ago.

I'm not in that business, hombre.
You're in the dissemination of crap business, for the demonstrable most part...or the trolling business, which remains a real possibility.

The UK's media, like here in the US, has taken to calling everyone and everything vile, racist, and bigoted.
The latter distortion leads me to believe the former isn't reliable. And so my call for citation/authority.

I omit your Trump group think error. I'm going to start doing that regularly. It's still me and if you can't quote me, don't lump me.

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Your fruit falls out of thin air, apparently.

Basically, they got America horribly wrong.
Only if you're a racist or a misogynist. If not, they got a few important things horribly wrong and we course corrected, for the most part through a process they set out to help us overcome their own human frailties.
 

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I have no real reason to believe that given how often I've seen you state things I've proven wrong with citation to actual evidence or simple examination, as with your errant declaration on the Apostles a bit ago.

I mistook Peter and Paul's age to be in the 70's rather than the 60's at the time of their persecution, and of course you're going to bring that up to dismiss the entire point of me even bringing it up :rolleyes:

And
If you can't accept simple things, like how many times feminist myths have been debunked and still commit to spamming citations stating the same things, then the interest of even spending a minute digging up sources for people is nil. It's like arguing with a young Earth creationist when speaking to some of you about a lot of things.

Only if you're a racist or a misogynist. If not, they got a few important things horribly wrong and we course corrected, for the most part through a process they set out to help us overcome their own human frailties.

Slavery and women's rights have nothing to do with it- you all try to make those two things about EVERYTHING, because in your minds, they are EVERYTHING, but nobody on this planet Earth frankly shared your moral palette.

This country, like every one before it, was founded by men of a certain race and owned it by the very natural right of claim. It's the most simple damn observation there is to be made of history, and you've twisted it by your belief that everyone should have dibs on anything superior :plain:

Of course this country was an amenity for the very people who founded it- why the hell would have been something else? And yet, it still included a moral system with a division of powers that has brought it all the way from then until now.
We've gone from homosexuality being a capitol offense to a person being pretty much lynched for not baking a cake for one of them. And you all went through the same system you say is wicked to justify it :freak:
You have no case, just new age liberal nonsense.
 

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I mistook Peter and Paul's age to be in the 70's rather than the 60's at the time of their persecution, and of course you're going to bring that up to dismiss the entire point of me even bringing it up
You said the Apostles lived to old age. So far as we know, only one did that. And yes, it's like me to note that you get things wrong as a reason not to rely on your representations absent authority and fact in support. You're demonstrably unreliable.

If you can't accept simple things, like how many times feminist myths have been debunked and still commit to spamming citations
That's Cruc admitting that the facts go against him and suggesting I accept his unsupported belief that there are all these "feminist myths" that have been "debunked".

And "spamming citations" is his hi-larious way of attempting to undermine authority and fact he doesn't have. It's on par with his approach to education.

Slavery and women's rights have nothing to do with it
They perfectly illustrate my point about the founders getting things wrong. So you're wrong again.

nobody on this planet Earth frankly shared your moral palette.
That's you making your two traditional mistakes.

This country, like every one before it, was founded by men of a certain race and owned it by the very natural right of claim. It's the most simple damn observation there is to be made of history, and you've twisted it by your belief that everyone should have dibs on anything superior
The history isn't in dispute. The right is and always has been. Jefferson and many others knew better, but couldn't swing it. It took a bloody war to make up for their error. The rest were solved by a mechanism they left in play, as noted.

We've gone from homosexuality being a capitol offense to a person being pretty much lynched for not baking a cake for one of them.
In order: sure and not even remotely true. Sorry you've had your right to act like a bigot taken from you, but how you feel about homosexuals isn't controlling. My view on the sin isn't either and shouldn't be.

And you all went through the same system you say is wicked to justify it
Still just me and I never said that.

You have no case, just new age liberal nonsense.
A lie, and a willful one. Or you're in need of help I can't give you. Or just a garden troll. I'm really rooting for the latter.
 

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For the record, we invaded Iraq because they threw out the weapons inspectors and shot at our planes patrolling the no fly zone, two things that were put in place after they invaded Kuwait in the 90s.
When they realized W was serious they made a play of letting the inspectors back in to stall but then threw them out again.
That's why we invaded Iraq. Because we didn't know. And we wanted to know.
We didn't invade because we knew he had something. Or thought he had something. We invaded because we didn't know that he didn't have anything.
And we wanted to know that he didn't have anything and if he HAD something we would have found that out in the process.
 

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We invaded because we didn't know that he didn't have anything.


he had WMD's in 2003

and not just the left over ones he had from the war with iran or the left over ones he had from gassing the kurds

brand spanking new WMDs


just not the ones we thought he had
 

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he had WMD's in 2003

and not just the left over ones he had from the war with iran or the left over ones he had from gassing the kurds

brand spanking new WMDs


just not the ones we thought he had

Right, what we thought he had was never a pivotal issue.
The issue was we knew we didn't know.
 

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I see that you're taking full advantage of government programs started by Democrat Presidents.

What choice do we have? They took money from every paycheck we ever got. Are you going to not collect your Social Security Check when Your time comes as some kind of protest?

Grosnick pretends that he's a conservative but loves government programs started by democrats.

Trump will keep socialized medicine (i.e. Obamacare), but will probably make a few changes so of course he (being the egomaniac that he is) can put his name on it.

Uh oh, Grossie just became a Trump hater:

Donald Trump Campaigned on Protecting Medicare, But His Health Secretary Pick Wants to Privatize It
https://theintercept.com/2016/11/29...-health-secretary-pick-wants-to-privatize-it/
 
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