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GuySmiley

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Expect can mean different things so,

God requires perfection from us.

But He knows that wont happen so John 3:16 and Romans 10:9-10
 

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Expect can mean different things so,

God requires perfection from us.

But He knows that wont happen

:nono: No He doesn't:

Mark 10:27 But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.”

Phil 2:15 that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world,
 

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1 Thessalonians 4:11

11 that you also aspire to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you,

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I have been giving some thought to that lately. I may be taking it out of context as to what "God expects". I'm not sure.
 

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Well then... maybe your answer could be.... "nothing".
My answer would be that I can't understand how or why God would expect anything. God is the source and sustenance of all that is. God is the ultimate author of the story of existence. I don't see how there possibly could be an unfulfilled expectation within that story.

I think of it this way: "expectations" are something that occur within the phenomena of time. But God is the author of time. So God must then be transcendent of time (eternal). And so God would be by definition also transcendent of expectation.
 

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See Luke 12:48. The more God gives you, the more He expects from you.

When I stand before God, I won't have many, if any, excuses. God has given me so much.

He has bestowed me with a superior intelligence, philosophical training, the grace to be in the Catholic Church, a knowledge that I must pray the rosary, etc.

If I don't make it to Heaven, after all of the graces that God has extended to me for my salvation, I am quite sure that I am going to be cast into one of the deepest, darkest pits of Hell. :noid:
 

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:nono: No He doesn't:

Mark 10:27 But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.”

Phil 2:15 that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world,
What you posted all appears to agree with me except for the "No He doesn't" part. I dont get what you disagree with.
 

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He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the Lord require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God.



Micah 6:8
 

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Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

New King James Version (NKJV)

13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:

Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.
 

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The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for July 6th, 2012 12:51 PM


toldailytopic: What does God expect from you?


This:


He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the Lord require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God.



Micah 6:8

One might also add:

Romans 13:8
Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.

John 13:35
By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.

1 John 3:17
But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?

James 2:15-16
If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?

Galatians 2:10
They desired only that we should remember the poor, the very thing which I also was eager to do.​
 

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toldailytopic: What does God expect from you?

Perfection

Expect can mean different things so,

God requires perfection from us.

But He knows that wont happen so John 3:16 and Romans 10:9-10
You forgot:

For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified
-Hebrews 10:14 KJV

:nono: No He doesn't:
He doesn't expect perfection or He doesn't know it won't happen?

My answer would be that I can't understand how or why God would expect anything. God is the source and sustenance of all that is. God is the ultimate author of the story of existence. I don't see how there possibly could be an unfulfilled expectation within that story.

I think of it this way: "expectations" are something that occur within the phenomena of time. But God is the author of time. So God must then be transcendent of time (eternal). And so God would be by definition also transcendent of expectation.
Why are you working from the assumption that time was authored?
 

GuySmiley

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Perfection


You forgot:

For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified
-Hebrews 10:14 KJV
Thanks, I should've gone that step further. What I meant was God requires perfection, but He knows we cant do it, so he provided a means for us to be saved by perfecting us. I wasn't very clear but I figured Christians would follow it.
 

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To enjoy him and glorify him forever. Such is the reason we were created.

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Q. 1. What is meant by man’s chief end?
A. That which ought to be man’s chief aim and design; and that which he should seek after as his chief happiness.

Q. 2. What ought to be man’s chief aim and design?
A. The glory of God. 1 Chron. 16:28, 29 — “Give unto the Lord, ye kindreds of the people, — give unto the Lord the glory due unto his name.”

Q. 3. What should he seek after as his chief happiness?
A. The enjoyment of God. Isaiah 26:8 — “The desire of our soul is to thy name, and the remembrance of thee.”

Q. 4. What connexion is there between the glorifying God, and the enjoyment of him?
A. They are connected by rich and sovereign grace, persuading and enabling the sinner to embrace Jesus Christ as the only way to God and glory. Eph. 2:8 — “By grace are ye saved, through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God.” John 14:6 — “I,” says Christ, “am the way; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

Q. 5. Does the chief end exclude subordinate ends?
A. No; for, in aiming principally at the glory of God, men may use the supports of natural life for refreshing their bodies. 1 Cor. 10:31; and be diligent in their particular callings, that they may provide for themselves and their families, 1 Thess. 4:11, 12; 1 Tim. 5:8.

Q. 6. Why ought the glory of God to be the chief end and design of man?
A. Because it is God’s chief end in man’s creation, preservation, redemption, and regeneration. Proverbs 16:4 — “The Lord hath made all things for himself;” and therefore it ought to be man’s chief end likewise. 1 Cor. 6:19, 20 — “Ye are not your own; for ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.”

Q. 7. How manifold is the glory of God?
A. Twofold; his essential and his declarative glory.

Q. 8. What is God’s essential glory?
A. It is what he is absolutely in himself. Exod. 3:14 — “I Am That I Am.”

Q. 9. What is his declarative glory?
A. His showing, or making known his glory, to, in, and by his creatures, Isaiah 44:23; 2 Thess. 1:10.

Q. 10. Can any creature whatsoever add any thing to God’s essential glory?
A. No; for his essential glory is infinite, eternal, and unchangeable, Job 35:7.

Q. 11. Do not the heavens and the earth, and all inferior creatures, glorify God?
A. Yes; in a passive way, all his works praise him. Psalm 19:1, and 145:10.

Q. 12. How ought man to glorify God?
A. Man being endued with a reasonable soul, ought to glorify God in an active way, Psalm 63:4, by declaring his praise, Psalm 103:1, 2; and essaying to give him the glory due to his name, Psalm 96:7, 8.

Q. 13. How was man to glorify God in a state of innocence?
A. By a perfect, personal, and perpetual obedience to his law, Gen. 1:27; and by giving him the glory of all his works, chap. 2:19.

Q. 14. Has man answered his chief end?
A. No; for, “all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God,” Rom. 3:23.

Q. 15. Has God then lost his end in making man?
A. No; for God will glorify his justice and power upon some, and his grace and mercy upon others of Adam’s family, Rom. 9:22, 23.

Q. 16. Was ever God glorified by a perfect obedience since Adam’s fall?
A. Never, until CHRIST, the second Adam, appeared as a new covenant head, Isaiah 42:21, and 49:3.

Q. 17. How did Christ, the second Adam, glorify God, as our surety and representative on earth?
A. By finishing the work the Father gave him to do. John 17:4.

Q. 18. What was the work the Father gave him to do?
A. It was to assume a holy human nature, Luke 1:35; to yield a perfect sinless obedience to the whole law, Mat. 3:15; and to give a complete satisfaction to justice, for man’s sin, by his meritorious sufferings and death, Luke 24:26.

Q. 19. How does Christ glorify God in heaven?
A. By appearing in the presence of God for us, Heb. 9:24, and applying, by the power of his Spirit, that redemption which he purchased by the price of his blood on earth, Titus 3:5, 6.

Q. 20. When is it that a sinner begins uprightly to aim at the glory of God?
A. When, through a faith of God’s operation, he believes in Christ: Acts 8:37, 39. — “The eunuch answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God. — And he went on his way rejoicing.”

Q. 21. Can no man glorify God acceptably, unless he first believe in Christ?
A. No; for, “Without faith it is impossible to please him.” Heb. 11:6; and, “Whatsoever is not of faith is sin,” Rom. 14:23.

Q. 22. How is it that faith in Christ glorifies God?
A. As it sets its seal to the record of God, John 3:33; and unites us to Christ, from whom only our fruit is found, Hos. 14:8.

Q. 23. Is not God glorified by the good works of believers?
A. Yes; “herein,” says Christ, “is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit,” John 15:8.

Q. 24. What are these fruits brought forth by believers, by which God is glorified?
A. They may be summed up in faith working by love, Gal. 5:6; or, their aiming, in the strength of Christ, at universal obedience to the law, as the rule of duty. Phil. 4:13 — “I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.”

Q. 25. How should we glorify God in eating and drinking?
A. By taking a right to the supports of natural life, through the second Adam, the heir of all things, who has purchased a covenant right to temporal, as well as spiritual mercies, for his people, 1 Cor. 3:21-23; and thankfully acknowledging God for the same, 1 Tim. 4:4, 5.

Q. 26. How must we glorify God in our religious worship, and other acts of obedience?
A. By doing all that we do in the name of the Lord Jesus, Col. 3:17; worshipping God in the Spirit, rejoicing in Christ Jesus, and having no confidence in the flesh, Phil. 3:3.

Q. 27. What is it, next to the glory of God, we should aim at?
A. Next to God’s glory, we should aim at the enjoyment of him, Psalm 73:25, 26.

Q. 28. Why should we aim at the enjoyment of God?
A. Because he is the chief good of the rational creature, Psalm 116:7; and nothing else besides him, is either suitable to the nature, or satisfying to the desires of the immortal soul, Psalm 144:15.

Q. 29. How may a finite creature enjoy an infinite God?
A. By taking and rejoicing in him, as its everlasting and upmaking portion, Psalm 16:5, 6, and 48:14.

Q. 30. Did our first parents, in a state of innocence, enjoy God?
A. Yes; there was perfect friendship and fellowship between God and them; for, “God made man upright,” Eccl. 7:29.

Q. 31. What broke that blessed friendship and fellowship?
A. Sin: our iniquities have separated between us and our God, and our sins have hid his face from us, Isaiah 59:2.

Q. 32. Can a sinner, in a natural state, enjoy God, or have any fellowship with him?
A. No; for, “What communion hath light with darkness? and what concord hath Christ with Belial?” 2 Cor. 6:14, 15.

Q. 33. How may a lost sinner recover the enjoyment of God, and fellowship with him?
A. As we lost it by our fall in the first Adam, so it can only be recovered by union with a second Adam, Rom. 5:18-19; for there is no coming to God but by him, John 14:6.

Q. 34. When is it that a sinner begins to enjoy God?
A. When, having received Christ by faith, he rests upon him, and upon God in him, for righteousness and strength, Isaiah 45:24; and out of his fulness receives, and grace for grace, John 1:16

Q. 35. What are the external means by, or in which, we are to seek after the enjoyment of God?
A. In all the ordinances of his worship, public, private and secret; such as the word read and heard, the sacraments, prayer, meditation, fasting, thanksgiving, and the like.

Q. 36. Are the saints of God admitted to enjoy him in these?
A. Yes; they are the trysting-places where his name is recorded, and to which he has promised to come and bless them, Ex. 20:24 — “In all places where I record my name, I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.”

Q. 37. What scripture-evidence have we, of their enjoying God in the duties and ordinances of his appointment?
A. We find them much employed in religious duties, Song 3:1-3; and expressing the utmost regard for the ordinances of his grace, Psalm 84:1, 2.

Q. 38. What satisfaction has the soul in the enjoyment of God?
A. Unspeakably more gladness than when corn, wine, and all earthly comforts, do most abound, Psalm 4:7

Q. 39. Is there any difference between the enjoyment of God in this life, and that which the saints shall obtain in the life to come?
A. Not an essential, but a gradual difference, as to the manner and measure of it.

Q. 40. What is the difference as to the manner of the enjoyment here and hereafter?
A. Here, the enjoyment is mediate, by the intervention of means; hereafter, it will be immediate, without any use of these means: “Now we see through a glass darkly; but then FACE TO FACE,” 1 Cor. 13:12.

Q. 41. What is the difference as to the measure of the enjoyment, in this life, and that which is to come?
A. In this life the enjoyment is only partial; in that which is to come, it will be full and complete, 1 John 3:2 — here, the enjoyment is only in the seed, or first fruits; there it will be in the full harvest, Psalm 126:5, 6.

Q. 42. Is the partial enjoyment of God in grace here, a sure pledge of the full enjoyment of him in glory hereafter?
A. It is both the pledge and earnest of it, Eph. 1:13, 14; Psalm 84:11.

Q. 43. Does the gracious soul, in that state, fully receive its chief end?
A. Yes; in regard that then it shall be brimful of God, and celebrate his praises with high and uninterrupted Hallelujahs through all eternity, Psalm 16:11; Isaiah 35:10.

Q. 44. Why is the glorifying God made the leading part of man’s chief end, and set before the enjoyment of him?
A. Because, as God’s design in glorifying himself was the reason and foundation of his design in making man happy in the enjoyment of him, Rom. 11:26; so he has made our aiming at his glory, as our chief end, to be the very way and means of our attaining to that enjoyment, Psalm 50:23.

Q. 45. Is our happiness, in the enjoyment of God, to be our chief end?
A. No; but the glory of God itself, Isaiah 42:8; in our aiming at which chiefly, we cannot miss the enjoyment of him, Psalm 91:14, 15.

Q. 46. Is not our delighting in the glory of God, to be reckoned our chief end?
A. No; we must set the glory of God above our delight therein, otherwise, our delight is not chiefly in God, but in ourselves, Isaiah 2:11. Our subjective delighting in the glory of God belongs to the enjoyment of him, whose glory is above the heavens, and infinitely above our delight therein, Psalm 113:4.

Q. 47. Whom does God dignify with the enjoyment of himself, in time and for ever?
A. Those whom he helps actively to glorify and honour him; for he has said, “Them that honour me, I will honour,” 1 Sam. 2:30.

Q. 48. Does any thing so much secure our happy enjoyment of God, as the concern that the glory of God has in it?
A. No; for as God cannot but reach the great end of his own glory, so, when he has promised us eternal life, in Christ, before the world began, Titus 1:2, we cannot come short of it; because it stands upon the honour of his faithfulness to make it good, Heb. 10:23 — “He is faithful that promised.”

Q. 49. How does it appear, that the enjoyment of God, which is connected with the glorifying of him, shall be for ever?
A. Because he who is the object enjoyed, is the everlasting God, Isaiah 40:28; and the enjoyment of him is not transitory, like the passing enjoyments of time, but the eternal enjoyment of the eternal God, Psalm 48:14.


SRC: Fisher's Exposition of the Westminster Shorter Catechism

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