noguru
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I agree with you about that.
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I agree with you about that.
Matthew 13:22
22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful.
It's better just to ride out a cold then take medicine. Taking away the symptoms keeps your body from ejecting the virus, and prolongs the cold.
If anything, go with multivitamins or zinc.
Anyways, most otc medications are not necessary and most of them are not good for you, particularly the liver.
So as it goes for me, I think they are simply a problem all the way around. I personally think it would have been a good idea to have kept all medicine at pharmacies. It's just not healthy to be dependent on medicine every single time one coughs or sneezes, let alone abusing such substances for a thrill.
If anything, go with multivitamins or zinc.
Anyways, most otc medications are not necessary and most of them are not good for you, particularly the liver.
So as it goes for me, I think they are simply a problem all the way around. I personally think it would have been a good idea to have kept all medicine at pharmacies. It's just not healthy to be dependent on medicine every single time one coughs or sneezes, let alone abusing such substances for a thrill.
What do you think "wrath" means?
I didn't post that verse for the word "execute." Maybe you should try not jumping to conclusions.
I never said, nor implied, that it said the government should execute every criminal. How stupid are you?
Who said anything about extrapolating theocracy out of that?
I don't know that I would say "any". I'd have to think that one through.
But I do think the government has stuck their hand in a whole lot of places it ought not be.
noguru
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I agree with that.
Layla
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I apply it to all those that are ridiculous and insane? I mean, the DP for all crime would prob lower crime rate, but it's... nonsense... so why bother suggesting it?
Firstly, I didn't say it would be effective. I said making every crime DP would sure cut crime. I am unconvinced of the effectiveness of the DP as a deterrent (though I don't have any moral issue with it).
Secondly, I don't even think drugs should be illegal to be honest. I haven't brought this in cause it's another argument for another thread.
Thirdly... I'm not really arguing against it? I'm saying arguing about it is pointless. I am abdicating argument!
No. What people do to their own bodies is up to them. I mean, if they're selling crack to impressionable 13 year olds then that's something else, but adults are... adults. They make their own choices. Shrug. As I said... that's really an argument for another thread.
MrDeets
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:doh: No, Knight. Fire and heat will be regulated and eventually banned. The gooberment is getting smarter- I imagine they'll just go to the source.
Maybe we should just put Prometheus on trial...:think:
"That's ridiculous and insane" is no better an argument than "that'll never happen." One should bother suggesting a solution because it may well work.
Well, I argued the death penalty for meth production and distribution. I think it'd be quite appropriate for you to argue that the death penalty isn't effective and that drugs shouldn't be outlawed in the first place. Those are pretty good reasons not to make meth cooking/selling a capital crime. I'd argue that, if I was on your side of this issue. :idunno:
That said, if you're abdicating argument...have a nice day then?
PureX
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Just as an aside, I don't think dysfunction would be the main argument against the death penalty in this case. The main argument would be that the death penalty would itself be a greater crime against society than the crime it intends to punish.
noguru
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I think Mary would rather shoot first and ask questions later. But I could be wrong on that.
I honestly can't imagine executing a meth dealer or meth supplier as being equivalent, much less a worse crime than, either making meth or selling it to meth addicts.
Seriously, which is worse? Which would you rather, if you had to chose?
A) Sell meth to meth addicts
B) Execute someone who sells meth to meth addicts.
Both those options really, really suck. But I'd choose B. It's basically a choice between killing someone who poisons people for profit or poisoning people for profit yourself. How in the world can you say it's worse to execute meth dealers than it is to deal meth?
No. Certainly not. And I don't know where you even got that idea.
PureX
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These are ridiculous questions. They don't represent reality at all.
My hardware store sells all sorts of poisons. No one blames the owner if some idiot chooses to drink it.
At some point we have to let the responsibility fall on the addict. I have dealt with addiction, and so I understand that it's an illness. But even still, what I did to myself, I did to myself. No one else made me do it.
Also, the idea of killing people because they do things that we don't like is insane. It works in TV shows because we know (or are supposed to know) that it's all make-believe, and because the writers are too often too lazy to find better ways of resolving the conflicts that their own story-lines have created. But in real life this would be an overwhelmingly destructive idea. Mostly because in real life violence begets more violence, and escalates as it does. It's both an irrational solution and a dysfunctional one.
These are mutually exclusive?
You know, if you guys really are comfortable with dismissing me as some kind of homicidal for advocating the death penalty, then I'm comfortable with accepting that as your conceding the argument.
Um...those questions represent what you just said.
So...yeah.
You're seriously arguing that? So if some suicidal person asks to borrow my gun so they can blow their head off...and I rent it to them for $100 bucks, take my money and even stand there and watch...I've done nothing wrong?
For realz, dude?
And, while we're at it, where do you come down on gun control? Should every adult be allowed to own an assault rifle? Because, at some point, we have to let the responsibility fall on the gun owner. What point, though?
Hey, you know what? This is a dishonest argument. No one is advocating the death penalty for anything because "I don't like that." If I were here advocating hard labor for drug dealing, or two years in the pen', or even a literal slap on the wrist and a stern talking to...you wouldn't be making this insulting claim.
Explain how executing murderers is going to beget more violence and even escalate it. Yes, seriously.
noguru
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I'm not conceding anything of the sort. You have not demonstrated that such illegal actions are best solved using the death penalty. It may eliminate many of the lives of people who would do such a thing, but is that our goal as a society?
And I would even be willing to consider the death penalty for second or third offense drug manufacturing and/or sales. But that would only be the case if one could prove a flagrant disregard for human life. The same could also be said for bartenders who serve their patrons to a point of obvious intoxication, however. Of course a bartender can't know who is or who is not driving amongst all their patrons. As you see we are getting into many grey areas here, and the previous legal precedent in the US has been pretty good at ironing all this out without resorting to a death penalty for things other than murder. In my opinion rape and pedophilia should be on that list of capital offenses before drug use.
It depends on who you trust.
Romans 12:19
Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord.