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toldailytopic: Is attending church necessary for salvation?
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Oh brother...
Yes (Rom. 1; Jn. 14:6; Acts 4:12; Jn. 3:16 vs Jn. 3:36). We will be judged according to the light we have, but all men are universally condemned as sinners. There is also no other way to be saved apart from the gospel (Rom. 1:16).
He had faith in the true God and His provision at the time. In NT era, there is no salvation apart from faith in Christ as God.
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http://www.remnantofgod.org/steeple.htm
History is more credible than National Inquirer conspiracy sites that you must frequent (yet I am an idiot if I peek at an evangelical, conservative, godly, scholarly commentary?).
http://www.remnantofgod.org/steeple.htm
History is more credible than National Inquirer conspiracy sites that you must frequent (yet I am an idiot if I peek at an evangelical, conservative, godly, scholarly commentary?).
I Cor. 12; Eph. 4:11-13, etc. Church is not the problem. People like you are the problem.:ha:
agnostic_gnostic
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Most churches advocate Constantine Christianity. Attending most churches is contrary to Christ's message.
hogwash.... which group would you identify with, then? Mormons? JWs? Unitarians?
You underestimate the ability of Christ/Holy Spirit/believers to preserve truth through the centuries (Jude 3; Matthew 16:18). I don't deny pagan and negative influences in church history (hence I am not Catholic).
Lon
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"Yes, if you don't go to church, you are not saved"
That'd be a great line for a bestseller imho. You can cover so much.
It's kind of like, can you be married and not live with your wife?
Its kind of like "you can have a good marriage without even trying?"
My answer of course is "No." As a pastor, I had seen too many shut ins and terminally ill. Now the RC (not at all picking on them) may acquiesce these members are not "sinning" let alone mortally. So as a hard and fast rule, nobody imho, not even the RC would say this without a few pertinent qualifiers: You know, like vacations, sickness, family matters, golfing (oops, not that one unless it is with Arnold Palmer and Bill Murray?).
Church is where we meet with those in the same family. We ought to get together (fellowship). Church is where we receive the pastor's vision for the community (outreach). Church is where we come together and bring Him glory and honor (worship). Church is where we are spurned on to love and good deeds in maturity (discipleship). We need these four things. The congregation/mass seems a good place to get 'em all together. If a church doesn't have all four of these going on, I'd wonder if we can rightly call it church, even if it says so on the board outside.
That'd be a great line for a bestseller imho. You can cover so much.
It's kind of like, can you be married and not live with your wife?
Its kind of like "you can have a good marriage without even trying?"
My answer of course is "No." As a pastor, I had seen too many shut ins and terminally ill. Now the RC (not at all picking on them) may acquiesce these members are not "sinning" let alone mortally. So as a hard and fast rule, nobody imho, not even the RC would say this without a few pertinent qualifiers: You know, like vacations, sickness, family matters, golfing (oops, not that one unless it is with Arnold Palmer and Bill Murray?).
Church is where we meet with those in the same family. We ought to get together (fellowship). Church is where we receive the pastor's vision for the community (outreach). Church is where we come together and bring Him glory and honor (worship). Church is where we are spurned on to love and good deeds in maturity (discipleship). We need these four things. The congregation/mass seems a good place to get 'em all together. If a church doesn't have all four of these going on, I'd wonder if we can rightly call it church, even if it says so on the board outside.
agnostic_gnostic
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Godrulz
You are obviously confused. When I say " Constantine Christianity" I am not exclusively condemning the Catholic church. Most Protestant churches advocate a slave morality that is contrary to Christ's message of liberation.
You are obviously confused. When I say " Constantine Christianity" I am not exclusively condemning the Catholic church. Most Protestant churches advocate a slave morality that is contrary to Christ's message of liberation.
Cracked
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Christianity is a religion of community. It is meant to be lived out in relationship with God and others. That being stated, I don't think I am in a position to judge every person who is not/can not be a member of a local church or interact in the Christian community. To say that "attending" church is necessary for salvation is problematic at best. To say being part of the church is necessary is very true - and the church is not one member, but many members existing and working together.
Outside the fire the ember slowly dies - as one person once put it (paraphrase). Now, that being said, just look at all the people who do not attend regular church services but come here to post and discuss all the time. TOL may not be ideal as one's only contact with other Christians, but it is community.
Outside the fire the ember slowly dies - as one person once put it (paraphrase). Now, that being said, just look at all the people who do not attend regular church services but come here to post and discuss all the time. TOL may not be ideal as one's only contact with other Christians, but it is community.
Going to church does not make you any more a Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car.:nascar: The church is often plum chuck full of pretend Christians that act like saints on Sunday but go and fornicate, cuss the air purple and cheat their fellow employees the rest of the week. They are just as much of a devil as their un-churched friends.:devil:
What actually does save you?
Repent of your sin and turn from your evil.
Accept Jesus as your Savior and Lord of you life.
Admit that He died in your place to take away your sin.
Going to church is not a requirement for salvation.
But is a sound idea for our piece of mind. Christians need one another as our world become even darker.
Hebrews 10: 24-25
What actually does save you?
Repent of your sin and turn from your evil.
Accept Jesus as your Savior and Lord of you life.
Admit that He died in your place to take away your sin.
Going to church is not a requirement for salvation.
But is a sound idea for our piece of mind. Christians need one another as our world become even darker.
Hebrews 10: 24-25
Catholics say we must confess before we die. But what's the point of salvation then? Church attendance is not exactly religiously required in the strictest of senses or ways. But if we are born of the spirit then we will live by the spirit. And the spirit seeks fellowship among the believers. And what the spirit wants, the spirit will get, if you truly give in to God your whole life, all up to Him. If you give it up to Him, God will never let you down, and God will keep you up.
Besides, we, as the temple, as the body, as people, are the church, regardless.
Besides, we, as the temple, as the body, as people, are the church, regardless.
If one is Catholic, on should follow the rules and regs of the Catholic Church. I suppose this means that Catholics who don't attend church are subject to some "grave sin" indictment. It's a church rule, nothing more.
Necessary for salvation? There is nothing in the Word of God that says this, commands it, or even implies it. John 3:16-17 (KJV) is the rule for salvation.
Personally? I'm "in church" most every day. "In church" we study and learn more about the Word of God. During the week, we gather, discuss, and pray at various unscheduled times. Matthew 18:20 (KJV)
Um.....they were built to hold the church bell. :doh:
The bell was rung so the people would know when to go to church :doh:
We all know how much you hate churches, and condemn people who attend local churches to worship God together, but you will have to come up with a better conspiracy theory than “steeples- phallic symbols” to get people to sit home every Sunday like you do.
This Charming Manc
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define salvation .........
If you mean to justify us in Gods sight not at all. were justified by grace through faith alone.
If you extend it wider to mean the on-going work of redemption, and sanctification of our souls. I think the body of christ has strong part to play (phallic Baal worhsipping a stepples very much optional).
If you mean to justify us in Gods sight not at all. were justified by grace through faith alone.
If you extend it wider to mean the on-going work of redemption, and sanctification of our souls. I think the body of christ has strong part to play (phallic Baal worhsipping a stepples very much optional).
Your point is correct this time. But this verse is not about "church" on Sunday.
This Charming Manc
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But it is about church.
I define church as a community of belivers who worship, teach, fellowship, evangelise and serve. It could be monday - saturday as much Sunday.
But Sunday church qualifies ( steeple or no steeple. For STP's benefit I don't do steeples. )
What do you define as church ?
I define church as a community of belivers who worship, teach, fellowship, evangelise and serve. It could be monday - saturday as much Sunday.
But Sunday church qualifies ( steeple or no steeple. For STP's benefit I don't do steeples. )
What do you define as church ?
red cardinal
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I had to smile at the "outside the fire, the ember slowly dies". What ember is dying just because one does not go to church? Paul spent most of his life in Christ in prison and his "ember" was pretty fired up
If one is in Christ, the "ember" never dies - the Holy Spirit is alive and well :Elaine:
unknown
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I could respond to a quite a few posts here, but rather than single anyone out for something that is common to many I will just say this:
Pentecost ! Unity ! We can't achieve "salvation" alone. "Love your neighbor as yourself" takes more than one person to achieve. I have said for years, "Church is not some place to go to, it is something you take with you wherever you go."
To me a "church" would be a group of "like minded believers". If the attendees are not like minded they are not a church. What the world calls "church" is usually a 501c3 (non-profit) corporation and the congregations that make them up are far from being in "one accord".
So in that sense, my answer is yes.
Pentecost ! Unity ! We can't achieve "salvation" alone. "Love your neighbor as yourself" takes more than one person to achieve. I have said for years, "Church is not some place to go to, it is something you take with you wherever you go."
To me a "church" would be a group of "like minded believers". If the attendees are not like minded they are not a church. What the world calls "church" is usually a 501c3 (non-profit) corporation and the congregations that make them up are far from being in "one accord".
So in that sense, my answer is yes.
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