Does the U.S. have a right to stop smuggling of destructive warheads to Cuba from Russian or Iran if there is proof that they will be used to destroy the U.S.?
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toldailytopic: Does Israel have the right to blockade the Gaza Strip?
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Does the U.S. have a right to stop smuggling of destructive warheads to Cuba from Russian or Iran if there is proof that they will be used to destroy the U.S.?
Why or why not?:rip:
mighty_duck
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For all those who disagree with the blockade, please put yourself in the Israeli PM's shoes and offer an alternative that would be acceptable - keeping n mind that your chief concern is the security of your own people.
Most anti-Israel blabbermouths can't do this, and can only propose ways for Israel to self-destruct. That is an unreasonable demand to make.
As it is, the blockade is the least lethal form of warfare that can be used. Without it, Hamas would soon be armed to the teeth by Iran and Syria, and would continue its constant terror attack on Israel. Israel will not be able to ignore these attacks, and would retaliate - leading to hundred if not thousands dead. At which point the hypocrites will again shout that Israel is guilty of murder.
Most anti-Israel blabbermouths can't do this, and can only propose ways for Israel to self-destruct. That is an unreasonable demand to make.
As it is, the blockade is the least lethal form of warfare that can be used. Without it, Hamas would soon be armed to the teeth by Iran and Syria, and would continue its constant terror attack on Israel. Israel will not be able to ignore these attacks, and would retaliate - leading to hundred if not thousands dead. At which point the hypocrites will again shout that Israel is guilty of murder.
GuySmiley
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:chuckle: There should be a list of Granite's stupid stereotypes about Christians. Its sad that Knight didn't fit your mold.
The things that Israel's doing to the Palestinians is wrong and un-Godly. Plain and Simple. IF they would stop the injustice then their would be peace between Jews and Palestinians and other Muslim countries just as it was before this injustice of forcing the Palestinians to leave did in the first place.
Video made by an Israelis talking about the injustice.:
And this guy is an ex-Israeli military guy speaking against it.
I'll take their word for it.
Video made by an Israelis talking about the injustice.:
And this guy is an ex-Israeli military guy speaking against it.
I'll take their word for it.
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when Hilston asks the same thing it's "parlor trick"
Please Granite, pray tell, what is YOUR standard or basis for condemning genocide?
Son of Jack
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Right...so not only has Israel protected itself, but it has managed to protect the nations surrounding it by preventing terrorist groups from arming themselves.
If Israel is a sovereign nation, and if there is a real threat to their security, then a blockade is the least they should do.
No one would be complaining if the Brits did something like this.
:chuckle: I haven't been "stumped" since my father once said, "The sky is blue. Discuss." (I was three at the time, but oh well.)
You didn't answer my questions (the apartheid query went completely ignored, I notice), and I doubt you will, period. Instead, you went to name calling. The issue I'm concerned with is whether or not a government can abuse its citizens (or frankly anyone else) if they claim it's in the name of national security. And since you asked, no, I'd say Israel's "legitimacy" is a total joke. Whether they are legit or not doesn't address the very real question of whether or not what they're doing to Gazans and Palestinians in general is just.
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when Hilston asks the same thing it's "parlor trick"
Please Granite, pray tell, what is YOUR standard or basis for condemning genocide?
It (obviously) violates someone's free will to their (obvious) detriment.
zoo22
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I'm sure it's happened with hats too, but I'm reminded of the film "Werner Herzog Eats His Shoe," which documents Herzog making good on a lost bet to eat his shoe. He had it cooked it up at Alice Waters' famous Chez Panisse. However he didn't eat the sole (saying that's like eating bones).
Son of Jack
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You have an answer for that one...
lain:Who or what determines who is legitimate and who isn't?
No one would support the Brits doing what Israel is doing
What about the numerous other countries around the world (too many to name them all) who face worse problems from neighboring people than Israel? Why is it that that never comes up and suggestions and support of them don't come up on this Christian forum?
It is no coincidence that Israel being a victim all the time becomes the subject--you believe in whatever they do, and their is no rational thought or true research, or hearing the other side, it's pure religious belief promoting it. Christians have a vested interest in israel and that is plain and simple. Israel will use your support, because #1, they think your prophecy is a bunk of garbage about Rapture, Jesus return etc. Israel is waiting on their own Messiah, who will clean everyone out for them and make the world peaceful, while Christians are waiting for that temple to be built so the anti-Christ can come and then Jesus comeback and annihilates all non-Christians (even the Jews. Well, except for 144,000 of them
lain:This is simply the user using, and in exchange the used using the user. Plain and simple.
Jews even oppress Christians too, especially their own Jewish Christians who live their. They just know which ones not to do ti too (American and European ones).
Israel is clearly allowing American and European Christians in and act as if they like them, for their own purpose. They figure, what will it hurt, your prophecy is nonsense to them, and it's is not true, so they figure they are accepting your help until their one true Messiah comes. While Western Christians promote the things they do blindly for no reason other than your own religious beliefs.
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- the expressed mission of both the Exodus 1947 and the Mavi Marmara in 2010 was to attract public attention by breaking a naval blockade
- both ships were boarded while still in international waters
- in both cases a violent struggle ensued betwwen the civilians/ship's crew and the navy
- in each case the naval forces accused the civilians of attacking them with weapons, but in both cases it was the civilians who suffered most of the injuries and all the casualties
- the Exodus 1947 Incident caused worldwide condemnation of Britain and played a significant role in attracting international support for the creation of the state of Israel in 1948
- the Israeli authorities and their supporters would now have us believe that what was not permisable against the Jews in 1947 is now permisable when conducted against Palestinian protestors in 2010
- Israeli supporters currently denounce the international media coverage, the same international media that published the Exodus 1947 Incident which played a pivital role in the creation of the state of Israel in 1948.
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mighty_duck
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Was the Exodus offered to dock in a nearby port and complete its stated mission?
Your little analogy fails right there.
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toldailytopic: Does Israel have the right to blockade the Gaza Strip? |
Yes. They have every right as an independent sovereign nation. They have the right to protect their people, their land, and whatever else is theirs. They have the right to keep sneak thieves, cut throats and terrorists out of their country, to the best of their ability and by whatever means they choose.
Like, love Israel, or hate, despise Israel. "No, well . . ." or "No, but . . ."
This is a "you cannot be on the fence" issue, it is yes or no.
I myself stand with Israel, the nation and it's people, yes I love the Israelites, the Jews. Yes, I am on their side.
That is my position and I'm not changing it. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Like, love Israel, or hate, despise Israel. "No, well . . ." or "No, but . . ."
This is a "you cannot be on the fence" issue, it is yes or no.
I myself stand with Israel, the nation and it's people, yes I love the Israelites, the Jews. Yes, I am on their side.
That is my position and I'm not changing it. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Really? Are Jews the only people God cares about? God loves all of making, and so do I. I am not anti-Israel, but wrong is wrong. What took place to get the Jews back there was not right then, and it's not right now what they are doing.
How about we go kick all the whites out of South Africa and start shipping African Americans who would like to go live there, back for free. How about we just start displacing non-Native Americans and demoing their homes and let the Natives take whatever they want back by any means. Let's go kick the whites out of Australia and let the Natives of the land run things.
Why not go evict everyone who is sitting in a place and give it back to those who want to reclaim it. That's exactly what the West did for Jews. Maybe we should do that for every one else too. No matter what property you have worked for, or how long it's been, give what you have back to the Natives of your land and get packing.
If you think the Palestinians being kicked out and continuing to have their land stolen and oppressed, then abandon what you have right now.
A painful subject
A painful subject
I am and always have been an advocate for the Palestinian people. But, as long as Hamas has control there can be no peace. bybee
A painful subject
I am and always have been an advocate for the Palestinian people. But, as long as Hamas has control there can be no peace. bybee
drbrumley
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Yes they can, but it isn't a "right" as the Graphite would say. But those on the ship also have a "right" to repel. Which they did, at a high cost to themselves.
To the Isreali's and palestinians and even us sheeple Americans, "People are not their governments, they are their government’s victims. They should not be doubly victimized by being held to account for the crimes of their own oppressors. "
Why is it every time someone does not like something, its racism? :sigh:
One would think it a new phobia or :noid:?
The word for this is racialism, check the spelling, 'racism' it is token term for "I dislike it".
I think I agree with you, but I am not sure why? You know Israel was able to come into existence because of Britain more than the USA. Now we know that most of the worlds Jews live in the USA or Israel. Just as the second highest population of Polish people after Warsaw is Chicago.
There are more Jews on the supreme court than any other religious group. If our government is strongly influenced by Jews, we should side with them, it not, then no.
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