toldailytopic: Does Israel have the right to blockade the Gaza Strip?

[Nathon Detroit]

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toldailytopic: Does Israel have the right to blockade the Gaza Strip?

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[Aimiel]

If they have any rights as a nation, they have the right to defend themselves, and surely a blockade to prevent the passage of weapons into Gaza is to be preferred over carpet-bombing as soon as Gaza fires a rocket into Israel, isn't it? They're trying to prevent violence, not make war. If they wanted to, they could simply bomb Gaza and be done with them, but they want peace, not destruction.

 

[Granite]

No, they don't, but they're going to continue to do it anyway. Israel can pretty much do whatever it wants these days, up to and including getting away with racism and murder.

 

[chrysostom]

you also have the right to be a suicide bomber

 

[Nathon Detroit]

No, they don't

Why?

 

[Granite]

Why?

Give me one good reason a group of interlopers foreign to any given nation should have the right to segregate, bully, and abuse indigenous peoples and I'll find a hat to eat.

P.S. Bonus points if you can answer this question without referring to the "chosen people" or "promised land" or any other religious tropes.

 

[Nathon Detroit]

Give me one good reason a group of interlopers foreign to any given nation should have the right to segregate, bully, and abuse indigenous peoples and I'll find a hat to eat.

Because (like it or not) they are a sovereign nation. And nations have a right to protect themselves.

What kinda hat are ya gonna eat?

P.S. Bonus points if you can answer this question without referring to the "chosen people" or "promised land" or any other religious tropes.

Done.

Start eatin'.

:chew:

 

[Granite]

Because (like it or not) they are a sovereign nation. And nations have a right to protect themselves.

You didn't answer my question or just misunderstood it...

The Israelis are the interlopers here, Knight. Unless you genuinely believe that "might makes right" and that any sovereign nation can do whatever it wants to a minority simply because it feels like it. (See Armenia, turn of previous century.)

 

[Nathon Detroit]

You didn't answer my question or just misunderstood it...

The Israelis are the interlopers here, Knight. Unless you genuinely believe that "might makes right" and that any sovereign nation can do whatever it wants to a minority simply because it feels like it. (See Armenia, turn of previous century.)

All of that is water under the bridge.

Regardless of what has happened in the past, Israel is now an established sovereign nation similar to how the USA is an established sovereign nation. And nation's have a right to protect themselves.

What do you plan to do review the entire history of the earth and determine who has the right to be a nation and who doesn't? Are you going to "mark off" every interloper?

Heck, the entire world is filled with interlopers!

 

[Nathon Detroit]

You didn't answer my question

Actually, I directly answered it.

You don't get to decide who is, and who isn't, a nation. Therefore, Israel has the right to defend itself because Israel is a sovereign nation.

Start eating your hat. :chew:

 

[Granite]

All of that is water under the bridge.

Tell that to Palestinians. They happen to be starving and dying on a regular basis.

Regardless of what has happened in the past, Israel is now an established sovereign nation similar to how the USA is an established sovereign nation. And nation's have a right to protect themselves.

So did you support apartheid?

By what standard or basis do you condemn genocide? Or religious/racial/political persecution of any people by its government?

Your flippancy towards this issue isn't surprising--most Christians think they should support Israel because, well, because--but to hear a Christian adopt a stance that would do Ragnar Redbeard proud is surprising just because it's so brazen.

 

[Nathon Detroit]

Tell that to Palestinians. They happen to be starving and dying on a regular basis.



So did you support apartheid?

By what standard or basis do you condemn genocide? Or religious/racial/political persecution of any people by its government?

Your flippancy towards this issue isn't surprising--most Christians think they should support Israel because, well, because--but to hear a Christian adopt a stance that would do Ragnar Redbeard proud is surprising just because it's so brazen.

Oh brother... you really are a flaming moron aren't you?

Tell me... does the USA have a right to defend itself?

 

[godrulz]

International Law does have a clause that allows Israel the right to have blockades to prevent weapons passage and to defend herself. The left media is not reporting the facts/issues, but falling into the hands of terrorist propaganda. The same nonsense happened with the Baptist missionaries in Haiti. The truth will come out.

Christians do not blindly condone Israel nor should we. On this issue, they are in the right. Minimally, an impartial investigation is needed before anyone dogmatically jumps to conclusions.

 

[Granite]

Oh brother... you really are a flaming moron aren't you?

Tell me... does the USA have a right to defend itself?

You're not addressing the issue.

 

[godrulz]

5/6 ships allowed searching. It is not unreasonable to search the last ship in light of the number of embedded anti-Israel activists on the ship. If the blockade can be broken, Iran-Hamas will use it for weapons smuggling, a direct threat to Israel (who shows great restraint in light of the 1000s of bombs lobbed at them). Israel is the size of New Jersey. Arab nations have land the size of North-Central America. Israel sends much humanitarian aid to Gaze/Palestine. Arabs send weapons and aid. To fail to see the terrorist issues are reasonableness of Israel's approach is more prejudice than thinking Israel is in the right or has a divine destiny.

The soldiers did not jump on the ship to kill people. The people were not just humanitarians with wet noodles. They had knives and other weapons that led to self-defense by the soldiers (who were also injured and one may die). The ship had an agenda and is winning the propaganda war. It does not help when the media and people like granite get dogmatic and see one side while ignoring other facts.

 

[mighty_duck]

Tell that to Palestinians. They happen to be starving and dying on a regular basis.

That's what happens when you elect terrorists to be your leaders.

After years of crying about the occupation, there is not a single Israeli soldier in Gaza, yet the Arabs continue targeting Israeli civilians. Stop targeting civilians, and there will be no need for any blockade.

As for Israel committing national suicide because of a perceived injustice over 60 years ago - no sovereign nation would do that. And given the suffering of the Jewish people over the years, not least of all by the hands of the Arabs in the region, having their own state is justified. Not to mention that disbanding the state would create a much greater injustice.

While I agree that no Arab should live under occupation without rights, the way to end it is to end violence. The more you support the enemies of Israel, the more violent they will become.

 

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Yes! This has been one of the grossest misunderstandings of this whole affair. International law states that any nation at war has the right to create a blockade under the given circumstances. The Gaza Strip had been used in past times to smuggle war materials to terrorist who use Gaza as a base. Israel has made numerous statements even prior to this incident that it has nothing against the citizens of Gaza, but it is against terrorist groups using Gaza as a base. The Strip itself posed a great threat to the Israeli citizens and they had every right to take measures that would ensure the safety of their people. You can read about the laws here

And Knight, if you want a sign of the coming apocalypse Joe Biden actually said something that makes sense :shocked:

Look at his statement here

 

[Nathon Detroit]

You're not addressing the issue.

I'm directly addressing the issue. That's why your stumped. I neutralized your lousy argument and all you can do is claim that I am not answering your questions.

The only defense you have is changing the subject to.... is Israel a legitimate nation?

But the truth is...

Israel is a nation no matter how you feel about the way that nation was formed. Therefore, in regard to this topic your objection is totally irrelevant.

Eat your hat.

 

[godrulz]

http://myjwn.com/jwn-exclusives/following-the-flotilla-incident-on-may-31-2010

Hamas, etc. has made life miserable in Gaza, not Israel. Arabs can thrive in Israel, but Israel is being attacked by Arabs and they are not supposed to defend themselves? The ship was a ruse and the bigger picture is the destruction of Israel by Iran, Muslims, etc. There is a spiritual warfare being r/waged in the media and on the ground (physical).


If we apply the same scenario to America and Cuba, the world would have a different tone if America rightly ensured Cuba would not lob 1000s of missiles at U.S. civilians.

There is a speck of land for the Jews (and they did something productive with it), while Arabs/Muslims have much land and are to blame for their own miserable history. The destruction of Israel is the real agenda, not Israel blocking legitimate humanitarian aid (from Iran, of all places). Israel lets the goods through and provides much aid themselves, but they would be fools to not defend themselves (had paint ball guns for crowd control; their own weapons were taken and used against them; a soldier was pushed to fall 30'; force was met by force in self-defense, but was not initiated by Israeli soldiers who were doing a legit/legal job to protect the region from terrorism).

The land-for-peace debacle has also back-fired for Israel. They made concessions with good intentions, but Palestine/Iran, etc. will never be satisfied. They are not working for peace, just the overthrow of Israel. The nuclear issues for Iran cannot be separated from these supposed innocent boat trips.

 

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