God's Truth
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This is so funny.
The Trinity
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This is so funny.
Rosenritter
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Quite a lot of spam to avoid answering the question.
1. You've stated (or at least strongly implied) on your own authority that angels were just as likely to be present at the Creation as Martians.
2. You've been given the scripture where God states that the sons of God shouted for joy when the foundations of the earth were laid.
3. You responded rudely with nothing more substantial than mocking emoticons.
Job 38:1-7 KJV
(1) Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
(2) Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
(3) Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
(4) Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
(5) Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
(6) Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
(7) When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
So, you are provided with an opportunity to explain yourself. Please, explain where you were when God laid the foundations of the earth so that you have superior knowledge in this matter. God says that the sons of God shouted for joy. Who are these sons of God Glory? Martians?
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God's Truth
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I go by what is right. Nothing you are doing for my own good is right. You are an egotistical person, and glorydazed knows how to make that obvious and true about you and with humor.
glorydaz
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Seriously?
Well, I cannot approve of your presumption and high minded speech. :mmph:
In fact, I will not tolerate your condescending attitude. :loser:
You have now entered into the ZONE of Fiery Darts. :salute:
Lift up your Royal Gown and Run if you dare.
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Go back through the posts. Don't you realize yet that for a trinitarian the Father, Son and Spirit are separate personalities. She does not believe in that manner. It has been explained many times throughout the thread.
Rosenritter
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So pretty much the same reason that I said it wouldn't be persuasive to you then? Post 13900?
Pretty much.
RealityJerk
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There's zero evidence for a divine trinity, in the sense proposed by so called "orthodox", mainstream Christianity. The God of Israel, is the heavenly father, and all other Elohim, unlike the heavenly father are contingent realities. The Son of YHWH, is a contingent reality, where the heavenly Father is the non-contingent, absolute source of everything and everyone. He depends on nothing and no one, to exist. He exists, in His own right and is the source of His own existence and essence. The Son is divine, but not in the same sense as The Father. Just like the light of the sun, is not sun, in the same sense as the solar mass that produces it.
The light of the sun, is a contingent reality, produced by the solar mass. The solar mass, is the "true sun" , or "sun proper". The light is, the "light of" the sun, and yet it is also identified as sun. It is sun, in a way, but not sun in the same, complete sense, as the actual sun in space, 52,000,000 miles away. The sun can not be perceived, without that which it generates. We only perceive and come in contact with the sun, through what it generates, within itself.
The great angel/messenger, is an eternal manifestation and generation of the heavenly Father. He is the means through which The Father, becomes intelligible, revealed, to His creation. He is the angel/messenger that carries The Name of YHWH / The Authority and Presence of YHWH.
The Son, or Archangel/messenger, sits upon the throne in heaven,at the right hand of the Eternal Infinite, True God / Heavenly Father. Satan,deluded himself, thinking he could replace the archangel, taking His place upon the throne. He made the mistake of thinking the Son of God, was just another angel like himself. It's like a human being, seeing Yeshua/Jesus, sitting on His throne, and thinking "Hey, He's just a human like me. I'm better looking than He is. I'm taller than him. I'm more intelligent...I should be the one sitting on the throne, not this guy...". Same error. Satan thought "He's an angel like me, a member of my race. I can take His place..". That led to war, and a third of the angels were cast into the abyss.
Yeshua is YHWH, but not exactly how mainstream Christianity claims.
The light of the sun, is a contingent reality, produced by the solar mass. The solar mass, is the "true sun" , or "sun proper". The light is, the "light of" the sun, and yet it is also identified as sun. It is sun, in a way, but not sun in the same, complete sense, as the actual sun in space, 52,000,000 miles away. The sun can not be perceived, without that which it generates. We only perceive and come in contact with the sun, through what it generates, within itself.
The great angel/messenger, is an eternal manifestation and generation of the heavenly Father. He is the means through which The Father, becomes intelligible, revealed, to His creation. He is the angel/messenger that carries The Name of YHWH / The Authority and Presence of YHWH.
The Son, or Archangel/messenger, sits upon the throne in heaven,at the right hand of the Eternal Infinite, True God / Heavenly Father. Satan,deluded himself, thinking he could replace the archangel, taking His place upon the throne. He made the mistake of thinking the Son of God, was just another angel like himself. It's like a human being, seeing Yeshua/Jesus, sitting on His throne, and thinking "Hey, He's just a human like me. I'm better looking than He is. I'm taller than him. I'm more intelligent...I should be the one sitting on the throne, not this guy...". Same error. Satan thought "He's an angel like me, a member of my race. I can take His place..". That led to war, and a third of the angels were cast into the abyss.
Yeshua is YHWH, but not exactly how mainstream Christianity claims.
RealityJerk
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I believe it's one third of the angels. That was a typo.
popsthebuilder
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Initially there was no lamb for the sacrifice but his son. He knew this and told his son otherwise. That is a lie regardless of if GOD made it truth afterwards or not.
Better read the book and gain a thorough understanding before saying that there is no evidence for the Trinity.
RealityJerk
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I have and that's my conclusion. Just because someone doesn't agree with you theologically, doesn't imply that they haven't read or studied the bible as thoroughly as you. Don't be so naive.
popsthebuilder
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Only a fool would regard an indistinct noun to be a GOD other than GOD being proclaimed. Especially after one makes it painfully clear that that is indeed both the only GOD and the One being referenced.
I have no interest in communing with such as that.
What does Jesus say about those who come in the name of Christ yet do not worship the same as you?
Who isn't against us is on our part, and who isn't for us is against us.
I do agree that for ease of communication one should stick to familiar references, but that is all.
All here are proclaimed Christians, so don't pretend that I come speaking of another god, or that I am against the assembly. And please don't say or insinuate that I am against the saints in heaven.
And how long have you studied the book?
glorydaz
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This is why you irk me. You assume that whatever pops into your brain must be the truth.
It's your attitude. It sucks. I won't pretend to be nice to people who are so impressed with themselves they think they can order other people around like they were grunts in the army.
I quoted the well known verse about making man in OUR image, and you immediately went off on a tangent about angels being present. Then you insinuated that I didn't know about the verses in Job, and when I laughed at your arrogance, you decide you can assume I'm avoiding answering. You're a ninny. Stop it. If you can't do that, I'll simply go about talking about you rather than to you. I'm sure anyone can tell you I'm not above doing so. Not only that, but it's better than trying to dialogue with a ninny.
No, I was making fun of your presumptions. The same kind of presumptions I've seen you make in the past about Luke 16 and Samuel. You seem to be bent in that direction, instead of sticking to what scripture states plainly.
Would you rather I just called you stupid?
:doh:
TOL provides me with the opportunity to post here. I can do so without your giving me one.
No, they were angels, but the angels were busy singing and shouting....remember?
* Man is not made in the image of angels.
glorydaz
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Abraham had faith that God would provide a lamb....just as he had faith God would provide him a son in his old age.
Against all hope, he believed in hope.....
RealityJerk
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Irrelevant. You Christians always focus your critique, on the individual rather than on the argument or issue that is being discussed. I've been studying the bible since 1984, just about, 33 years. Is that enough time, to study the bible and have an opinion? Now you're going to tell me, you've been studying the bible for 55 years, so your opinion, is somehow correct or always correct, where mine is always wrong? The strength and veracity of a person's position, is based on how long they've been studying the bible?
I've learned a few things from younger believers, about the bible. They haven't been studying the bible for 33 years, but they still were able to convince me, that they were right and I was wrong. Perhaps, just maybe, you're wrong. Is that possible? I'm always opened to the possibility that I am wrong. I'm not infallible. Are you infallible?
glorydaz
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I totally agree about young believers. They can see truths as well as anyone.
So, let's look at your "sun" analogy. It's not bad if you don't discount Christ as an angel.
The Father is the source, the Son is the expression, and the Spirit is the application.
Now put personhood into that forming a Godhead.
Rosenritter
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... or Abraham could have been prophesying by the Holy Spirit.
Please pardon if I misunderstood you or got your position confused with someone else, but you do allow that God's spirit can work with us, maybe steer us towards certain actions, or perhaps give us the right words to say in a certain situation?
Matthew 10:19-20 KJV
(19) But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
(20) For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
When God did speak to Abraham, he had words of praise, not condemnation. To contrast, consider the example of Moses, who struck the rock when he was told to speak gently to it instead. God did intervene and made the rock give forth water, but it was also accompanied with the punishment of death. Even righteous Job had to endure some harsh words from God when he made his appearance. Not so with Abraham.
If God didn't condemn Abraham in this instance, then perhaps neither should we. I wouldn't say he lied when there are other options available.
Rosenritter
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Ease of communication is a good reason. Plus you wouldn't want to be mistaken by others (either within or without the faith) as to of which God you are speaking.
To give a demonstration of one of the earlier points, did you notice how Glorydaz switches gender reference for no reason other than to show disrespect? We all know the target of her speech, but it's a live example that purposely using the wrong gender in reference (other than that which one identifies themselves) is usually interpreted within the realm of insult, rather than honor. I know you don't mean it like that, but that's how it is interpreted.