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jamie

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Bright Raven said:
Matthew 3:16-17 King James Version (KJV)

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
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OK, so there were just two, the Father and the Son.

Nice.
 
jamie

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Bright Raven said:
Yes, Moses spoke with God face to face.
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Yes, that's true, however, Jesus said, "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form." (John 5:37)

As you know, it was Christ who led the Father's firstborn son out of Egypt.
 
keypurr

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Rivers said:
Hi,

When Hebrews 1:2 says that Jesus "made the ages (AIWNAS)", it was referring to what happened as a result of him being "appointed heir of all things." The "ages" refers the people of faith from the previous "ages" (Hebrews 11:3) who were waiting to receive the promise of eternal life.

There's no reason to reverse the order in Hebrews 1:2 can claim that Jesus "made the ages" before he was "appointed heir of all things." Likewise, in John 1:10, it was because Jesus was "in the world" that "the world became through him."
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It does not say Jesus made the ages. You assume to much. Jesus was born to Mary many years after the creation. He did not pre-exist.

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keypurr

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SimpleMan77 said:
There was no "son" before Bethlehem. There was God, and when He spoke there was His word. His word did not have personal qualities until the incarnation.

I agree that God's word, as a means of communicating, was God's first creation. There is no need for "word" if there's no space-time. Word is a means of projecting thought and will across space-time, which itself is a creation of God.


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Heb 1 disagrees with you.

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keypurr

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Bright Raven said:
Consider Peter, He said;

2 Peter 1:1New King James Version (NKJV)

Greeting the Faithful
1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,

To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

What does that mean Keypurr?
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It means you have a God AND a saviour.

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keypurr

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Lilstu said:
Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
What was the son before he BECAME flesh?




Yahweh spoke the creation into existence...."Let there be light."

Jesus was Yahweh's word in a metaphorical sense, and not in a physical sense.. He didn't exist until he was born in Bethlehem.
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And the spirit of God moved across the face of the waters. Who was that spirit? Consider his express image.

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keypurr

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Rivers said:
The "word" (LOGOS) refers to the "eternal life" that was Jesus Christ himself (1 John 1:1-2). Where it says "the word (LOGOS) became flesh and dwelt among us" (John 1:14), it may be referring to the time after the resurrection when the risen Jesus revealed himself to the disciples as "flesh and bones" (Luke 24:39) and "ate and drank" with them before he ascended into heaven (Acts 10:40-42).
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Consider that the logos was IN Jesus. The spirit son does exist.

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keypurr

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SimpleMan77 said:
John 1:1-3

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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things WERE MADE BY HIM; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The it (the word) became a Him (according to John 1:14), so John is saying "all things were made by the word". There is no controversy here - "all things were made" is referring to creation. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth".


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But the word is not Jesus.

The word is the true spirit son that became flesh in Jesus.

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