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Because that is all the porpose of this thread. Jesus was at the gabatha at the sixth hour, meaning noon, not yet sentenced to the cross; and was crucified by the third hor, meaning 9am.
ECT the Sixth Hour in John 19:14.
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Because that is all the porpose of this thread. Jesus was at the gabatha at the sixth hour, meaning noon, not yet sentenced to the cross; and was crucified by the third hor, meaning 9am.
0scar
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demostrate that oposite to what many christians are trying to says, the sixth hour in John 19:14 is nothing else than noon.
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Jesus was arrested before sunrise
Jesus was on trial by the Jew during the morning.
Jesus was at Pilaates by noon (or midnight)
Jesus was crucified by 9am
It was noon, not midnight. The ONLY reason to suppose midnight instead of noon is to FORCE things to fit in a same day. Any how it does not fit in a same day. Forcing the meaning to mean midnight is useless
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No, is not.
Arsenios
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The night is divided into WATCHES, and the day into HOURS... We stand vigils in the watches of the night... When the enemy attacks...
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He appeared before Pilate on Friday at noon, and was condemned and crucified straight away at the insistence of the Jews... He was taken down from the Cross before 6PM, so as to not be hanging there on the High Day that this Sabbath was, and the other two as well, whose legs were broken... And the sun hid its light at the sight of the Creator of the Universe hanging on the Life Giving Tree...
The Sabbath, you see, began at sunset that day...
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You are mixing many issues as for example the day of the crucifixion on Friday. I will not enter into those discussions here, in this thread.
This thread is abaout Jesus being at Pilate´s by noon. And you and me do agree on that point.
BUT, do not forguet that after being by Pilate´s by noon, the trial continued, eventually was sentences and then wiped.
Eventually he departed to the Golgotha with difficulties to advance, Joseph was forced to carry the cross. Arriveing on the Golgotha Jesus was crucified and THEN it was 9am.
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At What Hour was Jesus Crucified? by Dave Miller, Ph.D.
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=6&article=4759
One allegation leveled by Bible critics is the difference that exists between Mark and John in their reporting of the hour of the crucifixion (McKinsey, 2000, pp. 295-296; Wells, 2013). Mark records that the Lord was crucified at the third hour (15:25), while John records that Jesus was tried before Pilate at the sixth hour (19:14)—which would seem to be after the time Mark says Jesus was crucified. The harmonization of this surface difference is quite simple and further underscores the sophistication of Bible inspiration.
Living as we do in the 21st century, we fail to remember or recognize that time has not always been reckoned the way it is today worldwide. We are able to calculate quickly the time anywhere in the world. For example, if it is 9:00 a.m. in Montgomery, Alabama (which is on Central time), it is 10:00 a.m. in New York City (which is on Eastern time), 3:00 p.m. in London, and 12:00 midnight in Sydney, Australia. Not so in antiquity. The ancients used a variety of systems by which they reckoned time.
A careful study of the biblical text reveals the fact that John (who wrote near the end of the first century, several years after the writings of the synoptic writers, away from Palestine, and addressing an eclectic, Hellenistic audience) based his calculations on Roman civil time. Matthew, Mark, and Luke, on the other hand, computed their allusions to days and hours according to Jewish time (cf. Smith, 1869, 2:1102; Robertson, 1922, p. 285; Lockhart, 1901, p. 28; Geisler and Howe, 1992, p. 376; Brewer, 1941, pp. 330-331; McGarvey, 1892, 2:181-182).
In light of these facts, read the context of John’s allusion to the “sixth hour”:
When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus out and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called The Pavement, but in Hebrew, Gabbatha. Now it was the Preparation Day of the Passover, and about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews, “Behold your King!” But they cried out, “Away with Him, away with Him! Crucify Him!” Pilate said to them, “Shall I crucify your King?” The chief priests answered, “We have no king but Caesar!” Then he delivered Him to them to be crucified. So they took Jesus and led Him away (John 19:13-16, emp. added).
John does not actually refer to the hour of the crucifixion, but only to the proceedings leading up to the crucifixion, specifically, the general timeframe when Pilate handed Jesus over to the Roman guards to commence the execution procedures. At this point, there yet remained the torturous, time-consuming journey to the place of execution. These events began to occur “about” 6:00 a.m.
Mark’s account reads as follows:
Then they compelled a certain man, Simon a Cyrenian, the father of Alexander and Rufus, as he was coming out of the country and passing by, to bear His cross. And they brought Him to the place Golgotha, which is translated, Place of a Skull. Then they gave Him wine mingled with myrrh to drink, but He did not take it. And when they crucified Him, they divided His garments, casting lots for them to determine what every man should take. Now it was the third hour, and they crucified Him (Mark 15:21-25, emp. added).
Using Jewish reckoning, Mark’s “third hour” is 9:00 a.m.—three hours after John’s “sixth hour.” Ample time is provided for the events leading up to the actual crucifixion, the proper sequence is preserved, and the Bible’s pristine historicity is vindicated.
It is truly tragic that skeptics are so bent on discovering discrepancies in inspired writ that they manifest such extreme prejudice. An honest, unbiased individual will take the time to examine the details of Scripture and extend a fair hearing to its record—the same fairness that the skeptic desires for himself. Despite the ongoing assault of those who view the Bible with disdain—an assault that has spanned two millennia—the Bible remains unscathed in its claim to be of divine origin.
Copyright © 2013 Apologetics Press, Inc. All rights reserved.
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=6&article=4759
One allegation leveled by Bible critics is the difference that exists between Mark and John in their reporting of the hour of the crucifixion (McKinsey, 2000, pp. 295-296; Wells, 2013). Mark records that the Lord was crucified at the third hour (15:25), while John records that Jesus was tried before Pilate at the sixth hour (19:14)—which would seem to be after the time Mark says Jesus was crucified. The harmonization of this surface difference is quite simple and further underscores the sophistication of Bible inspiration.
Living as we do in the 21st century, we fail to remember or recognize that time has not always been reckoned the way it is today worldwide. We are able to calculate quickly the time anywhere in the world. For example, if it is 9:00 a.m. in Montgomery, Alabama (which is on Central time), it is 10:00 a.m. in New York City (which is on Eastern time), 3:00 p.m. in London, and 12:00 midnight in Sydney, Australia. Not so in antiquity. The ancients used a variety of systems by which they reckoned time.
A careful study of the biblical text reveals the fact that John (who wrote near the end of the first century, several years after the writings of the synoptic writers, away from Palestine, and addressing an eclectic, Hellenistic audience) based his calculations on Roman civil time. Matthew, Mark, and Luke, on the other hand, computed their allusions to days and hours according to Jewish time (cf. Smith, 1869, 2:1102; Robertson, 1922, p. 285; Lockhart, 1901, p. 28; Geisler and Howe, 1992, p. 376; Brewer, 1941, pp. 330-331; McGarvey, 1892, 2:181-182).
In light of these facts, read the context of John’s allusion to the “sixth hour”:
When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus out and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called The Pavement, but in Hebrew, Gabbatha. Now it was the Preparation Day of the Passover, and about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews, “Behold your King!” But they cried out, “Away with Him, away with Him! Crucify Him!” Pilate said to them, “Shall I crucify your King?” The chief priests answered, “We have no king but Caesar!” Then he delivered Him to them to be crucified. So they took Jesus and led Him away (John 19:13-16, emp. added).
John does not actually refer to the hour of the crucifixion, but only to the proceedings leading up to the crucifixion, specifically, the general timeframe when Pilate handed Jesus over to the Roman guards to commence the execution procedures. At this point, there yet remained the torturous, time-consuming journey to the place of execution. These events began to occur “about” 6:00 a.m.
Mark’s account reads as follows:
Then they compelled a certain man, Simon a Cyrenian, the father of Alexander and Rufus, as he was coming out of the country and passing by, to bear His cross. And they brought Him to the place Golgotha, which is translated, Place of a Skull. Then they gave Him wine mingled with myrrh to drink, but He did not take it. And when they crucified Him, they divided His garments, casting lots for them to determine what every man should take. Now it was the third hour, and they crucified Him (Mark 15:21-25, emp. added).
Using Jewish reckoning, Mark’s “third hour” is 9:00 a.m.—three hours after John’s “sixth hour.” Ample time is provided for the events leading up to the actual crucifixion, the proper sequence is preserved, and the Bible’s pristine historicity is vindicated.
It is truly tragic that skeptics are so bent on discovering discrepancies in inspired writ that they manifest such extreme prejudice. An honest, unbiased individual will take the time to examine the details of Scripture and extend a fair hearing to its record—the same fairness that the skeptic desires for himself. Despite the ongoing assault of those who view the Bible with disdain—an assault that has spanned two millennia—the Bible remains unscathed in its claim to be of divine origin.
Copyright © 2013 Apologetics Press, Inc. All rights reserved.
Are you meaning to list what you see as facts or are you meaning to present a chronology of events.
My understanding is that if it was midnight and all in one day it would not be as you present here.
0scar
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Jesus was crucified 9am, 21 hours after being at Pilate.
Why not 9 hours after?
0scar
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LIE
Roman Civil Time was excatly the same as the Jew time use by the synoptics. All along John Gospel, the time John is using is always the same time on the synoptics. even if the Roman Civil Time were different than the Jew (wich it is a BIG LIE) it is clear that all along his Gospel, John is using the same time as the synoptics.
0scar
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your personal believes are totally irrelevant, unles you can substain them with arguments.
feel free to believe in UFO and mermaids if that makes you happy.
This has nothing to do with making people happy or believing things that are false. It has everything to do with you accurately representing the argument you and I have been discussing.
When you say midnight you say it in a different sense than it was intended, because you don't like it.
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OK. Then midnight means tea time, and the sixth hour is in Extra Terretial time.
Either you substain your personal believes or quit posting them as something demostrated.
Who is posting this as demonstrated if it is meant for discussion?
But what is your point about midnight being tea time? I don't understand that idea. I would not say this is the truth.
I have no idea what you are relating the sixth hour in this manner.
If the sixth hour is midnight then the third hour of the day is about 9 am. But that is converting to an understanding of midnight being the beginning of the day. Roman time or calendar or what have you.
In the United States of course we have a calendar.
But if we live according to the time of the Bible we are not living by a Roman calendar, as much as it may be used in our culture. Still I know what 9am is.