ECT the Sixth Hour in John 19:14.

0scar

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Preparing a crucifixion takes some time, and this time was between the 3rd and the 6th hours... From condemnation to nails... He had to be scourged, the crown of thorns had to be made, the cross had to be constructed, the sign had to be made naming His 'crime'...

The text states that this all began sometime during the 3rd hour, and that the sun darkened when He was raised up upon the cross by the 6th hour...

Why are you so hostile? What are you mad about?

Arsenios

Mark clearly states that Jesús was already crucified by 9am (third hour). In that case crucifixión started by 6am.
But John says that by noon Jesús was on trial at Pilates. After that, after noon, Jesús and Barrabas were presented to the jew, Jesús sentenced, Jesús wiped by the romans, Jesús carry the patibulum, Josheo forced to carry it.
 

0scar

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Unless John is using Roman time...

Arsenios

Please read this thread from the beginning.

1 - Romans count hours exactly as Jew did
2 - All hours in John gospels are count as Jew (Romans and Greeks) did.
3 - If you asume the sixth hour as 6am, then Jesús was not crucified same day he was at the Counsil during the morning.

That LIE of the supposed roman timeing have clearly discussed.
 

0scar

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Christian scholars have made up many LIES in order to make John 19:14 say some different. One of the inventions was making believe that Romas counted hours from midnight and form noon. In that case the sixth hour would be 6am.
The fact is that secular historians know very well that all ancient civilizations counted hours from sunrise to sunset; being the Roman no exception. They know that time counted from midnight commenced only with the mechanical clocks.
What the Christians scholars have is the text of the marthyry of Policarp. In that document it is recorded the time and date of his marthyry. The year, the month,and the day are given in Roman terms; and there is no doubt that the hour is also given in Roman terms.
The given hour is the eight hour. That is all they have. Is it corresponding to our 8am, or is it 2pm? Every other document we have concerning Roman time keeping indicate that the eight hour is always our 2pm. What makes the Christian scholars believe that it is 8am?

The sixth hour is 12noon. All documents we have point to that. There is not a single document sugesting that the sixth hour is other than 12noon.

In fact, the word siesta comes from latin sista, wich is sixth in latin

The letter of the Smyrnaeans or the Martyrdom of Polycarp

Polycarp 21:1
Now the blessed Polycarp was martyred on the second day of the first part of the month Xanthicus, on the seventh before the calends of March, on a great Sabbath, at the eighth hour.

21:1 Now the blessed Polycarp was martyred on the second day of the month Xanthicus, on the twenty-fifth of April, on the great Sabbath, at the eighth hour.

1 Now the blessed Polycarp was martyred on the second day of the first half of the month of Xanthicus, the seventh day before the kalends of March, a great sabbath, at the eighth hour.

CHAPTER XXI -- THE DATE OF THE MARTYRDOM.
Now, the blessed Polycarp suffered martyrdom on the second day of the month Xanthicus just begun, the seventh day before the Kalends of May, on the great Sabbath, at the eighth hour.

21:1
Now the blessed Polycarp was martyred on the second day of the first part of the month Xanthicus, on the seventh before the calends of March, on a great Sabbath, at the eighth hour.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.co...mpolycarp.html
those are 5 translation of the ONLY document in wich christian scholars found a supposed suport for a roman time keeping from midnigh and from noon, instead of ALL others documents supporting sunset as starting time.

honestly... how do they understand that the eight hour is 8am instead of 2pm?
 

0scar

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Jesus was at Pilate by noon (sixth hour) a day; and was crucified by 9am (third hour) next morning.
 

0scar

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Jesus was at the Gabatha beiing trial by Pilates a given day abaut noon (sixth hour)
and was already at the cross in the Golgotha at 9am (third hour) next day
That means that Jesus was crucified not the same day he were at Pilates.
 

Arsenios

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Jesus was at the Gabatha beiing trial by Pilates a given day abaut noon (sixth hour)
and was already at the cross in the Golgotha at 9am (third hour) next day
That means that Jesus was crucified not the same day he were at Pilates.

Which day is given?

Where is it given?

A.
 

0scar

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a "given day" is an english expresion.

Jesus was at pilates during a day at noon, and was crucified next day at 9am.
 

rstrats

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Arsenios,

re: "Unless John is using Roman time..."


If John was using Roman time in 19:14, why do you suppose he wasn't consistent in using it in 4:6?
 

0scar

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Arsenios,

re: "Unless John is using Roman time..."


If John was using Roman time in 19:14, why do you suppose he wasn't consistent in using it in 4:6?

Actually John was using Roman time all along his gospel. Romans counted hours from sunrise to sunset as the all the ancient civilizations. In 4:6 the tenth hour in roman terms is 16:00 in modern time, and in 19:14, the sith hour if in roman time, it would be noon.

Your question is: if we fabricate a lie in wich romans have a different time... why do you (me suppose he wasnt consisting in usin it is 4:6?
In that case, the fabricated lie would be that the 10th hour is 10am. It simply makes not sence. It was a late hour, and 10am is not. 1600 is a late hour, 2 hours before dark when the disciples-tobe, still had to travel back home.
 

0scar

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after all those desper and pathetic atempts to explain the sixth hour with lies
and after all this post and this last day of total silence
it is clear to me - and I supose that for all readers - that the sixth hour in John 19:14 was refering to no other hour tan noon.
 

rstrats

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Oscar,

re: " ...atempts to explain the sixth hour with lies..."

I wonder if you might quote at least one comment by someone who lied - i.e., knew that what they were saying was not the truth?
 

0scar

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Oscar,

re: " ...atempts to explain the sixth hour with lies..."

I wonder if you might quote at least one comment by someone who lied - i.e., knew that what they were saying was not the truth?

a lie?: "the romans have a different time"
 
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