The Sabbath

[Jacob]

The Sabbath is the seventh day of the week.

In the Torah we learn about the Sabbath. We learn about the six days of creation and we learn that God rested on the seventh day from all that He had created and made.

God commanded us, the people of Israel, to observe the Sabbath each week, the seventh day of the week. For six days we are to do our work. But the seventh day, the Sabbath, is a day of complete rest.

 

[clefty]

The Sabbath is the seventh day of the week.

In the Torah we learn about the Sabbath. We learn about the six days of creation and we learn that God rested on the seventh day from all that He had created and made.

God commanded us, the people of Israel, to observe the Sabbath each week, the seventh day of the week. For six days we are to do our work. But the seventh day, the Sabbath, is a day of complete rest.

Yup...made for man...not just one tribe of Israel...and not just Israel...non natives too...

And working animals...

His concern was that it be kept and not broken even after He was killed resurrected and returned to heaven...the cross did NOT anull or change or destroy Sabbath keeping...He commanded believers pray that times of troubles would not disrupt its sacredness...He didn't command that prayers be said that the temple be spared...or even Jerusalem...or that lives would be preserved...just that the Sabbath keeping would not be broken...

And Isaiah says from Sabbath to Sabbath all will come to worship again...

Is why Paul writes clearly that a Sabbath keeping...seventh day rest day...remains for the people of God...



And the day starts in the morning.

"When the Jews returned to Palestine after their Babylonian exile (516 B.C.E.) they brought back with them the Babylonian astronomy and way of reckoning time..." (What is a Jew, p. 108).

"In order to fix the beginning and ending of the Sabbath-day and festivals and to determine the precise hour for certain religious observances it becomes necessary to know the exact times of the rising and setting of the sun. According to the strict interpretation of the Mosaic law, every day begins with sunrise and ends with sunset... (Jewish Encyclopedia, p. 591-597).

"Days were reckoned from morning to morning... Following the reign of King Josia (c. 640-609), and especially after the Babylonian exile a number of significant and enduring changes occurred in the Israelite calendar showing that the Jews gradually adopted the Babylonian calendar of the time...the seven day week persisted despite its failure to divide evenly either the month or the year. The day however, was counted from evening to evening, after the Babylonian fashion..."
(New Catholic Encyclopedia -Volume 11, p.1068).



...http://discoveryupdate.com/article10.htm

 

[Ben Masada]

The Sabbath is the seventh day of the week. In the Torah we learn about the Sabbath. We learn about the six days of creation and we learn that God rested on the seventh day from all that He had created and made. God commanded us, the people of Israel, to observe the Sabbath each week, the seventh day of the week. For six days we are to do our work. But the seventh day, the Sabbath, is a day of complete rest.

Yes, but the commandment to rest on the Sabbath is only half of it. The entire commandment includes to work for
six days to make a living; unless one is already retired. I know you have mentioned it above. Cal hacavod!

 

[beameup]

The Sabbath is the seventh day of the week.

In the Torah we learn about the Sabbath. We learn about the six days of creation and we learn that God rested on the seventh day from all that He had created and made.

God commanded us, the people of Israel, to observe the Sabbath each week, the seventh day of the week. For six days we are to do our work. But the seventh day, the Sabbath, is a day of complete rest.

In case your son fell into a well, you must leave him there to die rather than disobey the "Sabbath".
This was the extent of the LAW during Jesus' ministry, according to the Jewish religious authorities.
Man was created to OBEY God's Sabbath regardless of circumstances.

 

[Ben Masada]

In case your son fell into a well, you must leave him there to die rather than disobey the "Sabbath".
This was the extent of the LAW during Jesus' ministry, according to the Jewish religious authorities.
Man was created to OBEY God's Sabbath regardless of circumstances.

That's an unnecessary slander because the Jewish authorities would use the Sabbath to save the life of even a donkey that had fallen in a hole in the ground on the Sabbath. That was to explain an act of Pichuach Nephesh in the Talmud.

 

[beameup]

That's an unnecessary slander because the Jewish authorities would use the Sabbath to save the life of even a donkey that had fallen in a hole in the ground on the Sabbath. That was to explain an act of Pichuach Nephesh in the Talmud.

Then why did the seek to kill Jesus for "breaking the Sabbath"?

 

[Ben Masada]

Then why did the seek to kill Jesus for "breaking the Sabbath"?

As I told you just above: Unnecessary slanders. If Jews had written the gospels you would not find in them that the Jewish authorities sought to kill Jesus. It doesn't even make sense at all. There was nothing more important to a Jew than to keep God's Law. How could they want to kill a fellow Jew who came in the spirit to fulfill and
confirm that Law down to the letter, even the dot of the letter? (Mat. 5:17-19)The opposite is rather true that twice the Pharisees tried to save Jesus from being arrested, first from Herod who had sent his men to arrest Jesus, the Pharisees revealed to him the secret and Jesus escaped the arrest. The second time around was from Pilate when Jesus was being acclaimed by his own disciples king of the Jews in Jerusalem and the Pharisees asked him to stop the nonsense of his disciples and he
said that if he stopped them, the stones would cry. He probably was enjoying the
parade and did not want to hear about any thing else. Soon afterwards, Jesus was
arrested, brought to judgment before Pilate and was condemned to the cross on the political charge of insurrection. Hence his verdict "INRI" commanded by Pilate to be nailed on the top of Jesus' cross. (Luke 19:37-40) Nothing at all to do with the Jewish authorities.

 

[beameup]

If Jews had written the gospels you would not find in them that the Jewish authorities sought to kill Jesus.

Jews (eyewitnesses) did write the Gospels, as well as the entire New Testament.
Except for Saul, they were all members of the Jewish Sect of the Nazarenes.

Jesus posed the question, was the Sabbath made for man (benevolent creator),
or was man created for the Sabbath (by a strict, overbearing, controlling God)?

 

[clefty]

Then why did the seek to kill Jesus for "breaking the Sabbath"?

It wasn't for breaking the Sabbath, it was for keeping it...and embarrassing their authority for doing it properly...

 

[clefty]

As I told you just above: Unnecessary slanders. If Jews had written the gospels you would not find in them that the Jewish authorities sought to kill Jesus. It doesn't even make sense at all. There was nothing more important to a Jew than to keep God's Law. How could they want to kill a fellow Jew who came in the spirit to fulfill and
confirm that Law down to the letter, even the dot of the letter? (Mat. 5:17-19)The opposite is rather true that twice the Pharisees tried to save Jesus from being arrested, first from Herod who had sent his men to arrest Jesus, the Pharisees revealed to him the secret and Jesus escaped the arrest. The second time around was from Pilate when Jesus was being acclaimed by his own disciples king of the Jews in Jerusalem and the Pharisees asked him to stop the nonsense of his disciples and he
said that if he stopped them, the stones would cry. He probably was enjoying the
parade and did not want to hear about any thing else. Soon afterwards, Jesus was
arrested, brought to judgment before Pilate and was condemned to the cross on the political charge of insurrection. Hence his verdict "INRI" commanded by Pilate to be nailed on the top of Jesus' cross. (Luke 19:37-40) Nothing at all to do with the Jewish authorities.

Of course the Jews wished to kill Him for keeping fulfilling the Laws they rejected Him His divinity and thought Him blasphemous and heretically idolatrous...when He threw them out of the temple for money handling that was the real kicker...

it annoyed them too that He reminded them it was all for the Goys too...

 

[Ben Masada]

Jews (eyewitnesses) did write the Gospels, as well as the entire New Testament.
Except for Saul, they were all members of the Jewish Sect of the Nazarenes.

Jesus posed the question, was the Sabbath made for man (benevolent creator),
or was man created for the Sabbath (by a strict, overbearing, controlling God)?

Jews would not write against their own Faith which is Judaism or against their own gospel which is the Tanach.
The authors of the gospels were Hellenists former disciples of Paul. When Paul came to Jerusalem and applied to join the Sect of the Nazarenes, he was rejected on the pretext that he could not be a disciple. (Acts 9:26)If the disciples of Jesus had written the gospels, they would not have rejected Paul to join the Sect. Can't you see the Logic here?

 

[Ben Masada]

Of course the Jews wished to kill Him for keeping fulfilling the Laws they rejected Him His divinity and thought Him blasphemous and heretically idolatrous...when He threw them out of the temple for money handling that was the real kicker...

it annoyed them too that He reminded them it was all for the Goys too...

Sorry Clefty, but you are not serious. Your whole post is a joke.

 

[AgainstAll]

The Messiah did nothing more than magnify the law;
Exodus 23:4-5 Matthew 5:43-44 Isaiah 58:5-10 Isaiah 42:21
Following the heart of the Torah; Jeremiah 22:3-5 Zechariah 7:9-12 Zechariah 8:14-17
is what is important, and is what the Messiah was teaching; Matthew 7:12-27
Leviticus 19:18 Leviticus 19:33-34 Exodus 23:9

The good news is that we no longer need to strictly follow all 616 commands,
as long as we follow the Messiah and therefore the heart of the Torah, these laws;
Exodus 23:4-5 Exodus 23:9 Leviticus 19:18 Leviticus 19:33-34
Isaiah 58:5-10 Jeremiah 22:3-5 Zechariah 8:14-17

Clearly the Fathers own summary of the law was (Jeremiah 22:3-5, Zechariah 8:14-17) and is Matthew 7:12

Realization of this grace, does in fact motivate one to still follow as much of the Torah as possible,
out of love for the Father, not out of need.
John 8:11 John 14:21 John 14:15-17 1 John 2:3 2 John 1:9 Romans 6:1-2 Romans 2:4 Titus 2:11-12

 

[beameup]

Jews would not write against their own Faith which is Judaism or against their own gospel which is the Tanach.
The authors of the gospels were Hellenists former disciples of Paul. When Paul came to Jerusalem and applied to join the Sect of the Nazarenes, he was rejected on the pretext that he could not be a disciple. (Acts 9:26)If the disciples of Jesus had written the gospels, they would not have rejected Paul to join the Sect. Can't you see the Logic here?

There is nothing in the Gospels that reject Judaism.
However, since you reject the entire New Testament,
then you have zero information concerning Jesus,
except what you have "dreamed" up.

 

[TweetyBird]

The Sabbath is the seventh day of the week.

In the Torah we learn about the Sabbath. We learn about the six days of creation and we learn that God rested on the seventh day from all that He had created and made.

God commanded us, the people of Israel, to observe the Sabbath each week, the seventh day of the week. For six days we are to do our work. But the seventh day, the Sabbath, is a day of complete rest.

The Sabbath was not a complete day of rest. It required sacrifices and offerings. Israel had to go and make them. Why aren't you if you want to be compliant?

Num 28
2 Command the children of Israel, and thou shalt say to them: Offer ye my oblation and my bread, and burnt sacrifice of most sweet odour, in their due seasons.

3 These are the sacrifices which you shall offer: Two lambs of a year old without blemish every day for the perpetual holocaust:

4 One you shall offer in the morning, and the other in the evening:

5 And the tenth part of an ephi of flour, which shall be tempered with the purest oil, of the measure of the fourth part of a hin.

6 It is the continual holocaust which you offered in mount Sinai for a most sweet. odour of a sacrifice by fire to the Lord.

7 And for a libation you shall offer of wine the fourth part of a hin for every lamb in the sanctuary of the Lord.

8 And you shall offer the other lamb in like manner ill the evening according to all the rites of the morning sacrifice, and of the libations thereof, an oblation of most sweet odour to the Lord.

9 And on the sabbath day you shall offer two lambs of a year old without blemish, and two tenths of flour tempered with oil in sacrifice, and the libations,

10 Which regularly are poured out every sabbath for the perpetual holocaust.

 

[jamie]

The Sabbath was not a complete day of rest. It required sacrifices and offerings. Israel had to go and make them. Why aren't you if you want to be compliant?

Sacrifices on the Sabbaths were done by the priests, not the people.

 

[clefty]

Sorry Clefty, but you are not serious. Your whole post is a joke.

Lol... You think eh?

Imagine someone else come into your synagogue and make the same claims "I am God etc" and then run your money out and start healing people to be point that crowds would form demanding the Messiah speak and not your rabbi...

Lol...and then imagine the goys come flooding in and this "idolatrous imposter" welcome them and call your authorities snakes and hypocrites and embarrass them on the smallest jot or tittle of whatever Zionist Kabbalistic teaching they front...

Oh...and imagine the goyim trampling all about...

 

[jamie]

And the day starts in the morning.

Only with regard to the morning and evening sacrifice, not the 24-hour day.

In the Bible, the season of light (Gen. i. 5), lasting "from dawn [lit. "the rising of the morning"] to the coming forth of the stars" (Neh. iv. 15, 17). The term "day" is used also to denote a period of twenty-four hours (Ex. xxi. 21).​

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/5007-day

 

[jamie]

In case your son fell into a well, you must leave him there to die rather than disobey the "Sabbath".
This was the extent of the LAW during Jesus' ministry, according to the Jewish religious authorities.
Man was created to OBEY God's Sabbath regardless of circumstances.

Not biblical.

 

[TweetyBird]

Sacrifices on the Sabbaths were done by the priests, not the people.

Israel was instructed to bring the sacrifices. Please note Num 28, says, Command the children of Israel,