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Old man

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The papacy taught you that Pauls epistle's are Scripture. Do you believe what the papacy taught you? What do you do with Jesus Christ giving Peter the key's to His kingdom? What about when Jesus told Peter --none of the other Apostle's, just Peter --to "Feed?"

Daniel

The Apostle Peter including all the Apostles of Christ are long dead and in their graves. The inspired Words of God written by the Apostles within the Scriptures becomes our teacher via the Holy Spirit (that's what the day of Pentecost was all about) which feeds the Lord's flock, "Ask and you will receive, seek and you shall find and knock and it shall be opened." and that doesn't mean ask the Roman church because you can be fed only by and through what the RCC feeds you.
That is the big mistake Catholics make, looking to a man made religion instead of the written Word of God.

One statement you have never heard or ever will hear from the RCC is "don't believe me, believe your Bible", that is to say, If you don't believe or question what I say check it out in your own Bible.

There are no instructions given in the Word of God that Mary or any other dead so-called venerated saint, live pope or priest, etc. (man) to even enter into the communication between a person and God. All such added traditions are non-Scriptural and man made

When the curtain of the temple was split at the crucifixion of Christ, that was to signify that from thence forward we go directly to God, not to or through a rabbi, priest, pope, saint or anyone. In fact, it is anti-Scriptural.

So, do I believe what the papacy teaches? Not one word unless it can be backed up with the Bible, and that does not mean the twisting of the meaning of Scriptures to fit added traditions of men not found in the Word of God.
 

Cruciform

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So, do I believe what the papacy teaches? Not one word unless it can be backed up with the Bible, and that does not mean the twisting of the meaning of Scriptures to fit added traditions of men not found in the Word of God.
Already decisively answered in Post #19 above.
 

john w

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The personal opinions of lay believers regarding the supposed meaning of the Bible carry no inherent doctrinal authority whatsoever.

"The personal opinions of lay believers" means absolutely NADA-it's fluff. No scripture entrusts the interpretation of such scripture to a bunch of clown, in clown outfits, as the Roman Catholic Organization asserts-it's made up. Respective, fallible members of the boc, are told to interpret scripture, since we are the church, which is His body, in this dispensation.

That being said, we laymen are certainly free to interpret the Scriptures for ourselves, as long as we do so within the doctrinal boundaries established by the formal teachings of the Church.

Translation: Interpret it all you want, but your "personal opinions" are quite irrelevant.



That is the deception of the Roman Catholic Organization. Flee this religious prostitute.
 
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1Way1Truth1Life

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The Apostle Peter including all the Apostles of Christ are long dead and in their graves. The inspired Words of God written by the Apostles within the Scriptures becomes our teacher via the Holy Spirit (that's what the day of Pentecost was all about) which feeds the Lord's flock, "Ask and you will receive, seek and you shall find and knock and it shall be opened." and that doesn't mean ask the Roman church because you can be fed only by and through what the RCC feeds you.
That is the big mistake Catholics make, looking to a man made religion instead of the written Word of God.

One statement you have never heard or ever will hear from the RCC is "don't believe me, believe your Bible", that is to say, If you don't believe or question what I say check it out in your own Bible.

There are no instructions given in the Word of God that Mary or any other dead so-called venerated saint, live pope or priest, etc. (man) to even enter into the communication between a person and God. All such added traditions are non-Scriptural and man made

When the curtain of the temple was split at the crucifixion of Christ, that was to signify that from thence forward we go directly to God, not to or through a rabbi, priest, pope, saint or anyone. In fact, it is anti-Scriptural.

So, do I believe what the papacy teaches? Not one word unless it can be backed up with the Bible, and that does not mean the twisting of the meaning of Scriptures to fit added traditions of men not found in the Word of God.

Not to mention that the RCC was not the ones who taught Christians that Paul's letters were Scriptural. It was well established before the RCC ever came into existence.
 

Dan Emanuel

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The Apostle Peter including all the Apostles of Christ are long dead and in their graves. The inspired Words of God written by the Apostles within the Scriptures becomes our teacher via the Holy Spirit (that's what the day of Pentecost was all about)
That is most certainly not all it was about.
which feeds the Lord's flock
You refer to the Holy Spirit with the pronoun "which" instead of "Who?"

Secondly, here is what my Bible say's in John 21:
So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, . . . Feed...
He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, . . . Feed...
He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, . . . Feed....​
, "Ask and you will receive, seek and you shall find and knock and it shall be opened." and that doesn't mean ask the Roman church because you can be fed only by and through what the RCC feeds you.
I'm not talking about the Catholic Church. I'm talking about the papacy, the office of the supreme pastor of the Church of Jesus Christ (that Jesus said He'd build on Peter).
That is the big mistake Catholics make, looking to a man made religion instead of the written Word of God.
Not Catholic.
One statement you have never heard or ever will hear from the RCC is "don't believe me, believe your Bible", that is to say, If you don't believe or question what I say check it out in your own Bible.
Bible support's the papacy.
There are no instructions given in the Word of God that Mary or any other dead so-called venerated saint, live pope or priest, etc. (man) to even enter into the communication between a person and God. All such added traditions are non-Scriptural and man made

When the curtain of the temple was split at the crucifixion of Christ, that was to signify that from thence forward we go directly to God, not to or through a rabbi, priest, pope, saint or anyone. In fact, it is anti-Scriptural.

So, do I believe what the papacy teaches? Not one word unless it can be backed up with the Bible, and that does not mean the twisting of the meaning of Scriptures to fit added traditions of men not found in the Word of God.
Show me the word "Trinity" in the Bible and I'll believe you.


Daniel
 

Dan Emanuel

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In fact, the formal teachings of the Church's Magisterium (teaching hierarchy) cannot and will never change in their essence. So, no, I wouldn't hold my breath on that score. :nono:



Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
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Based on that article, the reason for this, is because everythings been revealed already, correct? Their is not more revelation happening, but "the subjective grasp of men increases" with time. Right?


Daniel
 

everready

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LIST OF CATHOLIC HERESIES And HUMAN TRADITIONS

LIST OF CATHOLIC HERESIES And HUMAN TRADITIONS

OF ALL THE HUMAN TRADITIONS taught and practiced by the Roman Catholic Church, which are contrary to the Bible, the most ancient are the prayers for the dead and the sign of the Cross. Both began

300 years after Christ. 310

Wax Candles introduced in church 320

Veneration of angels and dead saints 375

The Mass, as a daily celebration, adopted 394

The worship of Mary, the mother of Jesus, and the use of the term, "Mother of God", as applied to her, originated in the Council of Ephesus 431

Priests began to dress differently from the laity 500

Extreme Unction 526

The doctrine of Purgatory was first established by Gregory the Great 593

The Latin language, as the language of prayer and worship in churches, was also imposed by Pope Gregory I. 600 years after Christ

The Word of God forbids praying and teaching in an unknown tongue. (1st Corinthians 14:9). 600
The Bible teaches that we pray to God alone. In the primitive church never were prayers directed to Mary, or to dead saints. This practice began in the Roman Church.

(Matthew 11:28; Luke 1:46; Acts 10:25-26; 14:14-18) 600
The Papacy is of pagan origin. The title of pope or universal bishop, was first given to the bishop of Rome by the wicked emperor Phocas.

This he did to spite Bishop Ciriacus of Constantinople, who had justly excommunicated him for his having caused the assassination of his predecessor emperor Mauritius. Gregory 1, then bishop of Rome, refused the title, but his successor, Boniface III, first assumed title "pope."

Jesus did not appoint Peter to the headship of the apostles and forbade any such notion. (Luke 22:24-26; Ephesians 1:22-23; Colossians 1:18; 1st Corinthians 3:11).

Note: Nor is there any mention in Scripture, nor in history, that Peter ever was in Rome, much less that he was pope there for 25 years; Clement, 3rd bishop of Rome, remarks that "there is no real 1st century evidence that Peter ever was in Rome." 610
The kissing of the Pope's feet

It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors. The Word of God forbids such practices. (Read Acts 10:25-26; Revelation 19:10; 22:9). 709
The Temporal power of the Popes

When Pepin, the usurper of the throne of France, descended into Italy, called by Pope Stephen II, to war against the Italian Lombards, he defeated them and gave the city of Rome and surrounding territory to the pope. Jesus expressly forbade such a thing, and He himself refused worldly kingship. (Read Matthew 4:8-9; 20:25-26; John 18:38). 750
Worship of the cross, images and relics was authorized

This was by order of Dowager Empress Irene of Constantinople, who first caused to pluck the eyes of her own son, Constantine VI, and then called a church council at the request of Hadrian I, pope of Rome at that time.

Such practice is called simply IDOLATRY in the Bible, and is severely condemned. (Read Exodus 20:4; 3:17; Deuteronomy 27:15; Psalm 115). 788
Holy Water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by the priest, was authorized 850
The veneration of St. Joseph began 890
The baptism of bells was instituted by Pope John XIV 965
Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV

Every believer and follower of Christ is called saint in the Bible. (Read Romans 1:7; 1st Colossians 1:2). 995
Fasting on Fridays and during Lent were imposed

Imposed by popes said to be interested in the commerce of fish. (Bull, or permit to eat meat), some authorities say, began in the year 700. This is against the plain teaching of the Bible. (Read Matthew 15:10; 1st Corinthians 10:25; 1st Timothy 4:1-3). 998
The Mass was developed gradually as a sacrifice; attendance made obligatory in the 11th century.

The Bible teaches that the sacrifice of Christ was offered once and for all, and is not to be repeated, but only commemorated in the Lord's Supper. (Read Hebrews 7:27; 9:26-28; 10:10-14).
The celibacy of the priesthood was decreed by Pope Hildebrand, Boniface VII

Jesus imposed no such rule, nor did any of the apostles. On the contrary, St. Peter was a married man, and St. Paul says that bishops were to have wife and children. (Read 1st Timothy 3:2,5, and 12; Matthew 8:14-15). 1079
The Rosary, or prayer beads was introduced by Peter the Hermit, in the year 1090. Copied from Hindus and Mohammedans

The counting of prayers is a pagan practice and is expressly condemned by Christ. (Matthew 6:5-13). 1090
The Inquisition of heretics was instituted by the Council of Verona in the year 1184. Jesus never taught the use of force to spread His religion 1184
The sale of Indulgences, commonly regarded as a purchase of forgiveness and a permit to indulge in sin.

Christianity, as taught in the Bible, condemns such a traffic and it was the protest against this traffic that brought on the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. 1190
The dogma of Transubstantiation was decreed by Pope Innocent III, in the year

By this doctrine the priest pretends to perform a daily miracle by changing a wafer into the body of Christ, and then he pretends to eat Him alive in the presence of his people during Mass. The Bible condemns such absurdities; for the Lord's Supper is simply a memorial of the sacrifice of Christ. The spiritual presence of Christ is implied in the Lord's Supper. (Read Luke 22:19-20; John 6:35; 1st Corinthians 11:26). 1215
Confession of sin to the priest at least once a year was instituted by Pope Innocent III., in the Lateran Council

The Bible commands us to confess our sins direct to God. (Read Psalm 51:1-10; Luke 7:48; 15:21; 1st John 1:8-9). 1215
The adoration of the wafer (Host), was decreed by Pope Honorius

So the Roman Church worships a God made by human hands. This is plain idolatry and absolutely contrary to the spirit of the Gospel. (Read John 4:24). 1220
The Bible forbidden to laymen and placed in the Index of forbidden books by the Council of Valencia

Jesus commanded that the Scriptures should be read by all. (John 5:39; 1st Timothy 3:15-17). 1229
The Scapular was invented by Simon Stock, and English monk

It is a piece of brown cloth, with the picture of the Virgin and supposed to contain supernatural virtue to protect from all dangers those who wear it on naked skin. This is fetishism. 1287
The Roman Church forbade the cup to the laity, by instituting the communion of one kind in the Council of Constance

The Bible commands us to celebrate the Lord's Supper with unleavened bread and the fruit of the vine. (Read Matthew 26:27; 1st Corinthians 11:26-29). 1414
The doctrine of Purgatory was proclaimed as a dogma of faith by Council of Florence

There is not one word in the Bible that would teach the purgatory of priests. The blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth us from all sins. (Read 1st John 1:7-9; 2:1-2; John 5:24; Romans 8:1). 1439
The doctrine of 7 Sacraments affirmed

The Bible says that Christ instituted only two ordinances, Baptism and the Lord's Supper. (Read Matthew 28:19-20; 26:26-28). 1439
The Ave Maria, part of the last

It was completed 50 years afterward and finally approved by Pope Sixtus V, at the end of the 16th century. 1508
The Council of Trent, held in the year 1545, declared that Tradition is of equal authority with the Bible

By tradition is meant human teachings. The Pharisees believed the same way, and Jesus bitterly condemned them, for by teaching human tradition, they nullified the commandments of God. (Read Mark 7:7-13; Colossians 2:8; Revelation 22:18). 1545
The apocryphal books were added to the Bible also by the Council of Trent

These books were not recognized as canonical by the Jewish Church. (See Revelation 22:8-9). 1546
The Creed of Pope Pius IV was imposed as the official creed 1560 years after Christ and the apostles

True Christians retain the Holy Scriptures as their creed. Hence their creed is 1500 years older than the creed of Roman Catholics. (Read Galatians 1:8). 1560
The Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary was proclaimed by Pope Pius IX

The Bible states that all men, with the sole exception of Christ, are sinners. Mary herself had need of a Savior. (Read Romans 3:23; 5:12; Psalm 51:5; Luke 1:30,46,47). 1834
In the year 1870 after Christ, Pope Pius IX proclaimed the dogma of Papal Infallibility

This is a blasphemy and the sign of the apostasy and of the antichrist predicted by St. Paul. (Read 2nd Thessalonians 2:2-12; Revelation 17:1-9; 13:5-8,18).

Many Bible students see the number of the beast (Rev. 13:18), 666 in the Roman letters of the Pope's title: "VICARIVS FILII DEI." -- V-5, I-1; C-100, I-1; V-S, I-1; L-50, I-1; I-1; D-500, I-l — Total, 666. 1870
Pope Plus X, in the year 1907, condemned together with "Modernism", all the discoveries of modern science which are not approved by the Church

Pius IX had done the same thing in the Syllabus of 1864. 1907
In the year 1930 Pius XI, condemned the Public Schools 1930
In the year 1931 the same pope Pius XI, reaffirmed the doctrine that Mary is "the Mother of God"

This doctrine was first invented by the Council of Ephesus in the year 431. This is a heresy contrary by Mary's own words. (Read Luke 1:46-49; John 2: l-5). 1931
In the year 1950 the last dogma was proclaimed by Pope Pius XII, the Assumption of the Virgin Mary 1950

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False Religions/Roman Catholicism/catholic_heresies-a_list.htm


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glorydaz

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That is most certainly not all it was about.
You refer to the Holy Spirit with the pronoun "which" instead of "Who?"

Secondly, here is what my Bible say's in John 21:
So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, . . . Feed...
He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, . . . Feed...
He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, . . . Feed....​
I'm not talking about the Catholic Church. I'm talking about the papacy, the office of the supreme pastor of the Church of Jesus Christ (that Jesus said He'd build on Peter).
Not Catholic.
Bible support's the papacy.
Show me the word "Trinity" in the Bible and I'll believe you.


Daniel

You're the only Catholic in a closet that I've ever seen. Odd.
 

Cruciform

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Based on that article, the reason for this, is because everythings been revealed already, correct? Their is not more revelation happening, but "the subjective grasp of men increases" with time. Right?
While there is no fresh revelation, the Church continues to obtain an ever-greater understanding and application of the deposit of faith (the original body of teaching delivered by the apostles to the early Church).

See the Catechism of the Catholic Church, par. 66.
 

Dan Emanuel

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While there is no fresh revelation, the Church continues to obtain an ever-greater understanding and application of the deposit of faith (the original body of teaching delivered by the apostles to the early Church).

See the Catechism of the Catholic Church, par. 66.
It appear's that Peters a Bible-thumping Protestant.

LOL. :chuckle:


Daniel
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There will be no further Revelation

66 The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ. Yet even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries.

67 Throughout the ages, there have been so-called private revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ's definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.

Christian faith cannot accept revelations that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such revelations.
 

Dan Emanuel

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It appear's that Peters a Bible-thumping Protestant.
A Bible-thumping Protestant who, along with thumping the Bible, also thump's the best idea's that the Church has ever had.

He doesn't think or act like we should ignore the greatest idea's that ever came out of the Church, no matter when in history or where, it happened.


Daniel
 

chrysostom

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What is the Origin of the Catholic Church (religion)?

Matthew 16:18 (KJV)

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
 

Old man

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Matthew 16:18 (KJV)

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

And your proof that it was Peter who founded the Catholic religion other than just what the church says?

Mat.16:18 is no proof whatsoever that Peter founded a Sunday-observing religion or any religion which follows the non-Scriptural traditions found in the Roman religion. That would have been blaspheme for any Apostle of Jesus Christ to do so.

The Apostle's of Christ founded the "Church of God" - 1 Cor.1:2, 10:32, 11:22, 15:9, 2nd Cor.1:1, Gal.1:13, 1 Tim.3:5.

Of the seven Church's found in Rev.2 and 3 none are found to be in Rome.

It is true that the Roman religion (called the church) began in Rome but no way can it be proven that any Apostle's of Christ had anything to do with it. And btw, your catholic writings and fables which claim otherwise mean nothing but that, nothing when it comes to the truth of the founder of your Roman catholic religion.
 
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chrysostom

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It is true that the Roman religion (called the church) began in Rome but no way can it be proven that any Apostle's of Christ had anything to do with it.

can you show us another church that the apostles had something to do with?
 

Old man

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can you show us another church that the apostles had something to do with?

I just did in the 7 verses I posted and that is the only Church they had anything to with.

What apostles are you referring to, the 12 Apostles of Jesus Christ named in Lk.6:12-16.
 
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