The Politically Incorrect Truth About Martin Luther King Jr.
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I mean come on now- if you're so set on demonizing historical people than why not just include all of them because none of them are perfect saints
What should be the standard for giving someone a national holiday in their name Aaron?
The bar can't get any lower than King's.
Par for the course.
Wallbuilders has a lot of nice things to say about Douglass
https://wallbuilderslive.com/celebrating-black-history-fredrick-douglass/
https://wallbuilders.com/black-history-issue-2001/
https://wallbuilders.com/frederick-douglass-defended-vulnerable-americans-today-include-unborn/
A week ago my wife sent me to Safeway to get some potatoes. I came back with tomatoes !!!
And this week I thought Tuesday was Sunday !
Too often I forget the chores I need to keep up with around the house !!!
You are absolutely correct.
At times I don’t pay attention to what is in front of my own nose!
And don’t get me started with the times I fail to correct mispellings in my TOL posts !!!
The Berean
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Du Bois was not a communist per se. But he embraced communism as a opposing force to combat capitalism. Du Bois HATED capitalism with a passion. He believed it was the root cause of racism.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
any idea what his reasoning was?
Does becoming a card carrying member of the Communist Party fall into the 'per se' category? (When all else fails, read the links that I provide).
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
oh, i see - because of imperialism - racism in a broader sense of subjugation of colored colonials
seems blind of him not to have noticed that the Soviets were imperialists as well
The Berean
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Yes, it does. From what I could find De Bois joined the American Communist Party at the end of his life at age 93.
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Does becoming a card carrying member of the Communist Party fall into the 'per se' category? (When all else fails, read the links that I provide).
After years of promoting the communist cause, I guess Du Bois wanted to make it officially known to all where he stood.
From the Communist Party USA:
African American Communist: W.E.B. Du Bois (1868-1963)
http://www.cpusa.org/party_info/african-american-communist-w-e-b-du-bois-1868-1963/
Does becoming a card carrying member of the Communist Party fall into the 'per se' category? (When all else fails, read the links that I provide).
After years of promoting the communist cause, I guess Du Bois wanted to make it officially known to all where he stood.
From the Communist Party USA:
African American Communist: W.E.B. Du Bois (1868-1963)
http://www.cpusa.org/party_info/african-american-communist-w-e-b-du-bois-1868-1963/
The Berean
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DuBois sent this letter in 1961. He explains his views on capitalism and communism.
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For years Du Bois (in his own words) visited communist lands. What he didn't mention was the oppression that these tyrants brought on their own people (mass murder, poverty, etc.)
As I pointed out, King admired Du Bois, but then communists stick together don't they?
The Politically Incorrect Truth About Martin Luther King Jr.
Anybody who attempts to promote social change in America and the world eventually gets labelled as a "communist" - US citizens should be eternally grateful that as a "pacifist" MLK renounced violence, otherwise the nation could have experienced a virtual "bloodbath" in the efforts to attain racial equality
FOOTNOTE; Real communists don't renounce violence in their efforts to achieve power!
Anybody who attempts to promote social change in America and the world eventually gets labelled as a "communist" - US citizens should be eternally grateful that as a "pacifist" MLK renounced violence, otherwise the nation could have experienced a virtual "bloodbath" in the efforts to attain racial equality
FOOTNOTE; Real communists don't renounce violence in their efforts to achieve power!
Americans accused of being "communists" during the "red scare!"
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Nelson Algren, writer
Lucille Ball, actress, model, and film studio executive.
Alvah Bessie, Abraham Lincoln Brigade, writer, journalist, screenwriter, Hollywood Ten
Elmer Bernstein, composer and conductor
Leonard Bernstein, conductor, pianist, composer
David Bohm, physicist and philosopher
Bertolt Brecht, poet, playwright, screenwriter
Archie Brown, Abraham Lincoln Brigade, WW II vet, union leader, imprisoned. Successfully challenged Landrum–Griffin Act provision
Esther Brunauer, forced from the U.S. State Department
Luis Buñuel, film director, producer
Charlie Chaplin, actor and director
Aaron Copland, composer
Bartley Crum, attorney
Howard Da Silva, actor
Jules Dassin, director
Dolores del Río, actress
Edward Dmytryk, director, Hollywood Ten
W.E.B. Du Bois, civil rights activist and author
George A. Eddy, pre-Keynesian Harvard economist, US Treasury monetary policy specialist
Albert Einstein, Nobel Prize-winning physicist, philosopher, mathematician, activist
Hanns Eisler, composer
Howard Fast, writer
Lion Feuchtwanger, novelist and playwright
Carl Foreman, writer of High Noon
John Garfield, actor
C.H. Garrigues, journalist
Jack Gilford, actor
Allen Ginsberg, Beat poet
Ruth Gordon, actress
Lee Grant, actress
Dashiell Hammett, author
Elizabeth Hawes, clothing designer, author, equal rights activist
Lillian Hellman, playwright
Dorothy Healey, union organizer, CPUSA official
Lena Horne, singer
Langston Hughes, writer, poet, playwright
Marsha Hunt, actress
Sam Jaffe, actor
Theodore Kaghan, diplomat
Garson Kanin, writer and director
Danny Kaye, comedian, singer
Benjamin Keen, historian
Otto Klemperer, conductor and composer
Gypsy Rose Lee, actress and stripper
Cornelius Lanczos, mathematician and physicist
Ring Lardner Jr., screenwriter, Hollywood Ten
Arthur Laurents, playwright
Philip Loeb, actor
Joseph Losey, director
Albert Maltz, screenwriter, Hollywood Ten
Heinrich Mann, novelist
Klaus Mann, writer
Thomas Mann, Nobel Prize winning novelist and essayist
Thomas McGrath, poet
Burgess Meredith, actor
Arthur Miller, playwright and essayist
Jessica Mitford, author, muckraker. Refused to testify to HUAC.
Dimitri Mitropoulos, conductor, pianist, composer
Zero Mostel, actor
Joseph Needham, biochemist, sinologist, historian of science
J. Robert Oppenheimer, physicist, scientific director of the Manhattan Project
Dorothy Parker, writer, humorist
Linus Pauling, chemist, Nobel prizes for Chemistry and Peace
Samuel Reber, diplomat
Al Richmond, union organizer, editor
Martin Ritt, actor and director
Paul Robeson, actor, athlete, singer, writer, political activist
Edward G. Robinson, actor
Waldo Salt, screenwriter
Jean Seberg, actress
Pete Seeger, folk singer, songwriter
Artie Shaw, jazz musician, bandleader, author
Irwin Shaw, writer
William L. Shirer, journalist, author
Lionel Stander, actor
Dirk Jan Struik, mathematician, historian of maths
Paul Sweezy, economist and founder-editor of Monthly Review
Charles W. Thayer, diplomat
Dalton Trumbo screenwriter, Hollywood Ten
Tsien Hsue-shen, physicist
Sam Wanamaker, actor, director, responsible for recreating Shakespeare's Globe Theatre in London, England.
Orson Welles, actor, author, film director
Gene Weltfish, anthropologist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
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I find it particularly interesting that both
Albert Einstein and Gypsy Rose Lee are on lhe list!
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Nelson Algren, writer
Lucille Ball, actress, model, and film studio executive.
Alvah Bessie, Abraham Lincoln Brigade, writer, journalist, screenwriter, Hollywood Ten
Elmer Bernstein, composer and conductor
Leonard Bernstein, conductor, pianist, composer
David Bohm, physicist and philosopher
Bertolt Brecht, poet, playwright, screenwriter
Archie Brown, Abraham Lincoln Brigade, WW II vet, union leader, imprisoned. Successfully challenged Landrum–Griffin Act provision
Esther Brunauer, forced from the U.S. State Department
Luis Buñuel, film director, producer
Charlie Chaplin, actor and director
Aaron Copland, composer
Bartley Crum, attorney
Howard Da Silva, actor
Jules Dassin, director
Dolores del Río, actress
Edward Dmytryk, director, Hollywood Ten
W.E.B. Du Bois, civil rights activist and author
George A. Eddy, pre-Keynesian Harvard economist, US Treasury monetary policy specialist
Albert Einstein, Nobel Prize-winning physicist, philosopher, mathematician, activist
Hanns Eisler, composer
Howard Fast, writer
Lion Feuchtwanger, novelist and playwright
Carl Foreman, writer of High Noon
John Garfield, actor
C.H. Garrigues, journalist
Jack Gilford, actor
Allen Ginsberg, Beat poet
Ruth Gordon, actress
Lee Grant, actress
Dashiell Hammett, author
Elizabeth Hawes, clothing designer, author, equal rights activist
Lillian Hellman, playwright
Dorothy Healey, union organizer, CPUSA official
Lena Horne, singer
Langston Hughes, writer, poet, playwright
Marsha Hunt, actress
Sam Jaffe, actor
Theodore Kaghan, diplomat
Garson Kanin, writer and director
Danny Kaye, comedian, singer
Benjamin Keen, historian
Otto Klemperer, conductor and composer
Gypsy Rose Lee, actress and stripper
Cornelius Lanczos, mathematician and physicist
Ring Lardner Jr., screenwriter, Hollywood Ten
Arthur Laurents, playwright
Philip Loeb, actor
Joseph Losey, director
Albert Maltz, screenwriter, Hollywood Ten
Heinrich Mann, novelist
Klaus Mann, writer
Thomas Mann, Nobel Prize winning novelist and essayist
Thomas McGrath, poet
Burgess Meredith, actor
Arthur Miller, playwright and essayist
Jessica Mitford, author, muckraker. Refused to testify to HUAC.
Dimitri Mitropoulos, conductor, pianist, composer
Zero Mostel, actor
Joseph Needham, biochemist, sinologist, historian of science
J. Robert Oppenheimer, physicist, scientific director of the Manhattan Project
Dorothy Parker, writer, humorist
Linus Pauling, chemist, Nobel prizes for Chemistry and Peace
Samuel Reber, diplomat
Al Richmond, union organizer, editor
Martin Ritt, actor and director
Paul Robeson, actor, athlete, singer, writer, political activist
Edward G. Robinson, actor
Waldo Salt, screenwriter
Jean Seberg, actress
Pete Seeger, folk singer, songwriter
Artie Shaw, jazz musician, bandleader, author
Irwin Shaw, writer
William L. Shirer, journalist, author
Lionel Stander, actor
Dirk Jan Struik, mathematician, historian of maths
Paul Sweezy, economist and founder-editor of Monthly Review
Charles W. Thayer, diplomat
Dalton Trumbo screenwriter, Hollywood Ten
Tsien Hsue-shen, physicist
Sam Wanamaker, actor, director, responsible for recreating Shakespeare's Globe Theatre in London, England.
Orson Welles, actor, author, film director
Gene Weltfish, anthropologist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
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I find it particularly interesting that both
Albert Einstein and Gypsy Rose Lee are on lhe list!
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The Berean
Well-known member
De Bois was a foolish man for embracing communism. He was a blind idealist. If he did visit all those communist countries he must have seen the crushing poverty and extreme authoritarian rule. Or else he was completely blind. Even Paul Robeson, who also embraced communism, changed his tune after he visited the Eastern Block and saw how the people were treated under communist rule. De Bois should have known better. His hatred of capitalism is somewhat understandable as he saw first hand how the evil white racists always destroyed African-American attempts to use capitalism and business to improve their lives (see Black Wall Street). What De Bois never understood is that capitalism wasn't the root cause of racism.
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
For years Du Bois (in his own words) visited communist lands. What he didn't mention was the oppression that these tyrants brought on their own people (mass murder, poverty, etc.)
As I pointed out, King admired Du Bois, but then communists stick together don't they?
Were mass murderers Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong foolish? I prefer to call those that perpetuate great harm on society "evil", not "foolish".
For years Du Bois (in his own words) visited communist lands. What he didn't mention was the oppression that these tyrants brought on their own people (mass murder, poverty, etc.)
As I pointed out, King admired Du Bois, but then communists stick together don't they?
Were mass murderers Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong foolish? I prefer to call those that perpetuate great harm on society "evil", not "foolish".
Look to Donald Trump and his father.
They were fined by the government for denying housing for African Americans.
Competition for scarce resources turns people against each other.
If everyone has a reasonable, secure, standard of living, they have little to argue and fight about.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
why, were they colonizers?
'cause dubois' reasoning centered on colonization
all african americans?
Notice how "ok doser" attempts to divert attention away from those areas that he doesn't want to address - apparently racial discrimination was permissible for the Trumps if they don't apply it to all Blacks all the time!
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