Was surfing the net when I ran across the following article on the Mystery mentioned in the Apostle Paul's writings.
http://www.graceandthetruth.com/articles/the_mystery.htm#8
http://www.graceandthetruth.com/articles/the_mystery.htm#8
ECT The Mystery: What and Why
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False Prophet
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I thought the mystery was that we shall not all be asleep at his second coming. This refers to the first resurrection.
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised [r]imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For thisperishable must put on [t]the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. 1 Cor 15
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised [r]imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For this
I tread a little of it, being it is a bit long-winded.
"Old Testament promises made to Israel. God promised Israel an eternal land on earth, whereas Paul tells us that believers today have an eternal heavenly inheritance "
This part speaks of the fate of Israel, being fulfilled before the final judgement, when all are together in heaven.
Even this is part veiled, as who might assume a saved person will be judged twice?
"Old Testament promises made to Israel. God promised Israel an eternal land on earth, whereas Paul tells us that believers today have an eternal heavenly inheritance "
This part speaks of the fate of Israel, being fulfilled before the final judgement, when all are together in heaven.
Even this is part veiled, as who might assume a saved person will be judged twice?
Hi and these are MYSTERY'S FOUND IN Paul's EPISTLES !!
#1 , 1 Cor 15:51 , the MYSTERY of the Departure of the Body of Christ
#2 , In Rom 16:25 , the Revelation of the MYSTERY
#3 , In 2 Thess 2:7 , the MYSTERY of Lawlessness
#4 , In 1 Cor 2:1 the MYSTERY of God
#5 , In 1 Tim 3:9 , the MYSTERY of FAITH
#6 , In Eph 1:9 the MYSTERY of His WILL
DAN P
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iamaberean
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Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
If I'm not mistaken; that's twice you have seemingly related what appears a Mid-Acts view of a passage.
I mean the Mid-Acts view I hold to on that. As other differences in understanding on that have arisen within Mid-Acts over the years (as with any other school of thought).
That is "A" mystery not "THE" Mystery. It is AN ASPECT of THE Mystery.
That'll work.
Jamie Gigliotti
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"This mystery is that Gentiles are FELLOW HEIRS, members of the same body..." Ephesians 3:6
Straight from the horse's mouth. It clearly disproves MAD.
Why? Jews did not know they would be locking arms with Gentiles as brothers and
sisters through God/Jesus.
Straight from the horse's mouth. It clearly disproves MAD.
Why? Jews did not know they would be locking arms with Gentiles as brothers and
sisters through God/Jesus.
Interplanner
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Not quite precise enough. The OT prophets are full of the Gentiles coming to faith, so that's not mystery. What is mystery says Eph 3:5 is that it happens through faith, not Law. Judaism was already all energized to bring Gentiles into 'Israel' through the Law. It was called Judaizing. Paul was plucked from all that and opposed it.
Check any grammar on Eph 3:5, and you'll find that the weight of the sentence falls on the phrase 'dia tou euangelizou'. Ie, for our purposes here, 'through faith' = 'through the Gospel'
We are made FELLOW CITIZENS of the commonwealth of Isreal, PARTAKERS of the promises contained in covenants.....that includes EVERY SINGLE promise of healing, prosperity, protection, an ever present help etc, none of those things were even mentioned in that long article
Yes all those promises are ours...without us having to obey commandments, but through faith in Christ. ....you haves to BELIEVE those promises
Yes all those promises are ours...without us having to obey commandments, but through faith in Christ. ....you haves to BELIEVE those promises
SaulToPaul 2
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Please quote scripture when you make these claims. Where is this?
SaulToPaul 2
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Gentiles have always been included in this promise, Gen 12:1-3 (KJV), without becoming proselytes.
What about the cursed of Gen 12:1-3 (KJV)?
That's the mystery of Ephesians 3, that even they can now be saved.
Wherefore remember that ye being in times past Gentiles in the flesh who are called uncircumcision by that which is called the circumcision in the flesh made by hands.
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world
But now in Christ Jesus ye who were sometimes afar off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
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"Made nigh by the blood of Christ" does NOT mean that we are joined with Israel. Why would we want to be? They rejected Christ. They were concluded in UNBELIEF with Gentiles so that God could have mercy on ALL (Romans 11:32).
Nope, no, and nah
Israel's commonwealth is no more by the time of Paul.
Its why Peter was told in Acts 10 God had put no difference between the Jew and the Gentile - Romans 11:25 had just become fact with Israel's Matt. 12:30-32 inpardonable sin against the Spirit at Acts 7:51, Paul was then saved in Acts 9 and sent out to both with out distinction.
Peter's Acts 10 encounter later serving to uphold the truth of Paul's gospel among the Gentiles with out distinction in Acts 15.
Romans 1 thru 5 and 9-11, which are basically saying the same thing as Ephesians 2 and that Ephesians is based on, and makes this clear - Israel was concluded under sin with the Gentiles that God might have mercy, not on a nation, or on nations, but on individuals without distinction in a NEW man that God was now forming.
Israel's commonwealth still fallen; its restoration on hold "til the fulness of" this "Gentiles" salvation "be come in," Romans 11; Acts 15.
Consider Romans 4. Abraham had righteousness accounted unto him when he was in UNcircumcision - a Gentile.
Likewise with Paul - saved in (the) uncircumcision (of his heart) though circumcision (in the flesh) he was now "a pattern" - there was now no Jew/Gentile distinction as far as those under sin was concerned when things changed.
Now it was - all have sinned - no distinction.
The Body comprised of those. This was a New Creature, not the commenwealth of Israel.
Peter preaches the 2nd Coming TO ISRAEL in Acts 3.
Is that what you, as a member of God's NEW Creature, is that what you as a member of this one NEW man, are awaiting?
And of course, various of those who assert a Mid-Acts perspective will differ on some that.
Its par for the course within any school of thought.
All Israel did not reject Christ, multitudes both of men and women were added to the church after Pentecost