The long nightmare has just begun: Inauguration of a fraud.

[ok doser]

so what's your beef with trump jr?

...But reality offends the younger Trump...So apparently that apple doesn't rot far from the tree.

ok, so apparently town's beef with trump jr is that trump jr is offended by reality

because.... reasons

It would be one thing to be offended by the reality of it, and it is another thing to lay that reality at the feet of someone who isn't responsible for it in a city where more resources are in play to safeguard the average citizen than most places on earth.
That's what Jr. did.

as i've shown, kahn is responsible for the safety of the citizens of london, so this little girly rant of town's is another fail

So why would Jr. drag up the 2016 quote in the wake of this tragedy? Could it be that the remarks were made in the aftermath of the New York bombing that claimed the lives of 29 people while Kahn was there and that among them was a criticism of a certain presidential candidate's response to the bombing, who said it was time to "get tough" as though to place some measure of blame on the administration of that city? Could Jr. be doing a little hatchet work for Sr.?

and here's the heart of the matter - town's beef with trump jr is that town believes that trump jr's tweet was a piece of revenge on his father's behalf

a tweet, for God's sake

a retarded tweet :doh:



i spose it's not surprising that town ducked out of the conversation

 

[jgarden]

Ex-CIA Director: Mike Flynn and Turkish Officials Discussed Removal of Erdogan Foe From U.S.
James Woolsey says he attended a September meeting where other participants, including then-Trump adviser Mike Flynn, talked of moving Fethullah Gulen back to Turkey without going through U.S. extradition process.

Wall Street Journal
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ex-cia...ed-removal-of-erdogan-foe-from-u-s-1490380426

Flynn was discussing a kidnapping scheme with Turkish officials. James Wolsey is an ex-CIA director who in January quit the Trump transition team told WSJ this meeting disturbed him.

Since WSJ is subscription only here is another article.

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-to-whisk-away-cleric-wanted-by-turkey-report

If Flynn hadn't lied to the Vice President, he would still be the National Security Advisor!!!

 

[exminister]

If Flynn hadn't lied to the Vice President, he would still be the National Security Advisor!!!

We dodged one bullet because of now what in comparison was a trivial thing-lying to the VP. Wow
It now appears 45 will use Flynn as a fall guy to cover other sins.

Trump continues to set the bar lower and lower.

 

[annabenedetti]

 

[annabenedetti]

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

We dodged one bullet because of now what in comparison was a trivial thing-lying to the VP. Wow
It now appears 45 will use Flynn as a fall guy to cover other sins.

Trump continues to set the bar lower and lower.

How many "Protest signs" have you created this week? I see why you're an "exminister."

 

[annabenedetti]

Experts Say London Mayor Was Right: Terrorism Is A Reality Of City Life
“The Trumps and their supporters have embraced this crazy myth that you can completely eradicate terrorism.”


Donald Trump Jr. criticized London Mayor Sadiq Khan following the city’s deadly terror attack Wednesday for saying in September that terrorism threats are a part of urban life and officials must prepare accordingly.

Khan’s remarks were taken out of context this week, but they do reflect a pragmatic view of counterterrorism efforts. Population centers with famous landmarks are an obvious target for people looking to inflict harm and fear ― as was the case with London’s Houses of Parliament, which the attacker tried to storm Wednesday.

Cities “have got to be prepared for these sort of things,” Khan said in September.

“That means being vigilant, having a police force that is in touch with communities, it means the security services being ready, but also it means exchanging ideas and best practice,” he told the Evening Standard at the time.

His response to Wednesday’s attacks reflected that viewpoint, primarily focusing on the work of first responders, rather than the suspects or raising alarm among Londoners.

“We won’t be cowed by terrorists,” Khan said. He also declined to comment on the criticism President Donald Trump’s eldest child had aimed at him, pointing out that he had “more important things” to do.

But the issue at hand isn’t a Twitter spat between Khan and Donald Trump Jr. It’s a fundamental disagreement on how societies should respond to terrorism, and what resources should be used in preventing and responding to those incidents.

On one side is the U.S. president and his followers, who are in favor of bolstering defense budgets with billions of dollars, banning travel from Muslim-majority countries and reorienting policy around eradication of terrorism. On the other, there are those that agree that terrorism is a serious issue, but one that should be addressed in a measured, non-overbearing way.

Those on the latter side have often been ridiculed as “soft” on terrorism. But the approach has some prominent adherents, including former President Barack Obama. The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg reported last year:

Obama frequently reminds his staff that terrorism takes far fewer lives in America than handguns, car accidents, and falls in bathtubs do. Several years ago, he expressed to me his admiration for Israelis’ “resilience” in the face of constant terrorism, and it is clear that he would like to see resilience replace panic in American society. Nevertheless, his advisers are fighting a constant rearguard action to keep Obama from placing terrorism in what he considers its “proper” perspective, out of concern that he will seem insensitive to the fears of the American people.
​

The other camp favors rhetoric calling for the eradication of terrorism ― a goal experts say is unlikely to come to fruition. And earlier calls to manage the problem, rather than seek to get rid of it altogether, have been met with fierce criticism from conservatives. (See, for example, the 2004 backlash to then-presidential candidate John Kerry’s call to reduce terrorism to a “nuisance” level.)

But William Braniff, the executive director of the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism, said there’s a strong case to be made for responding to terrorist attacks the same way a leader would respond to other violent crime. Doing so can “take the sting” out of an attack, Braniff said, by not playing into the political motivations typically behind such events.

Braniff said Khan is right to prepare for future attacks as an inevitability.

“It’s not a question of if, unfortunately, it’s a question of when,” he said.

Khan’s tactic, Braniff said, is a form of “political resilience,” an idea detailed by START researcher Clark McCauley in a 2012 opinion piece. In other words, in addition to infrastructure preparations and emergency planning, leaders should also prepare constituencies for the inevitability of future attacks, so that they do not constantly live in fear about the possibility of terror, nor have a false sense of security.

“It’s a sober approach to a violent threat, but to pretend like a government can provide 100 percent security without taking on really authoritarian measures is really leading the public along,” Braniff said. “It’s setting them up to be more intimidated, more terrorized or more angry in response to these kinds of incidents.”

Andrew Bacevich, a military analyst and professor of history and international relations at Boston University, offered a similar perspective on the inevitability of attacks in urban centers.

“Criminality is inherent in urban living,” he wrote in an email. “Terrorism is simply a form of criminality, albeit one that afflicts some cities more than others. The key point is that no city is free from violent crime, to include the one in which Donald Trump, Jr. resides.”

“This is another case where the Trumps and their supporters have embraced this crazy myth that you can completely eradicate terrorism,” said Daniel Benjamin, who served as a coordinator for counterterrorism for the State Department and is now the director of the Dickey Center for International Understanding at Dartmouth College. “That’s absurd. For as long as we’ve had dynamite, we’ve had terrorism.”

Benjamin said American politicians would be wise to follow Khan’s example, noting that gun violence kills far more Americans annually than terror attacks do.

“One of the mayor’s chief responsibilities is to get things back to normal as quickly as possible,” he said. “That denies the terrorist even bigger gains from those actions, in terms of paralyzing a population. It lowers the value of a strike against a civilian target.”

Like Obama, he pointed to Israel, where leaders have adapted to the constant threat of terrorism.

“It would be crippling for these populations” to dwell on attacks, he said.

J.M. Berger, a fellow with the International Centre for Counter-Terrorism, agreed that leaders “can’t reasonably hope to completely eliminate” the threat of terrorism.

“I think large and medium-sized cities obviously need to prepare for the possibility of terrorist attacks, and I can’t understand why Donald Trump Jr. or anyone else would find that idea controversial,” he wrote in an email.

Brian Dillon, a British counterterrorism expert, offered a similar assessment of how cities should address terrorism during an interview with MSNBC earlier this week.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

ok, so apparently town's beef with trump jr is that trump jr is offended by reality

because.... reasons




as i've shown, kahn is responsible for the safety of the citizens of london, so this little girly rant of town's is another fail



and here's the heart of the matter - town's beef with trump jr is that town believes that trump jr's tweet was a piece of revenge on his father's behalf

a tweet, for God's sake

a retarded tweet :doh:



i spose it's not surprising that town ducked out of the conversation

I wonder how many "Protests" TH has attended? I suppose we wouldn't be able to distinguish between him and the other "Black garbed, black masked Marauders."

 

[ClimateSanity]

Big cities did not have terrorism before we started importing Muslims by the thousands.

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[Grosnick Marowbe]

Big cities did not have terrorism before we started importing Muslims by the thousands.

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In a "Perfect World" Muslims wouldn't be allowed into the U.S.

 

[Jonahdog]

Big cities did not have terrorism before we started importing Muslims by the thousands.

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The attacker in London was an immigrant from where? Oh, Kent. Where exactly is that in the middle east?

 

[exminister]

How many "Protest signs" have you created this week? I see why you're an "exminister."

And it barely scratches the surface. The swamp churns and churns.

 

[exminister]

Big cities did not have terrorism before we started importing Muslims by the thousands.

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Like the poor there have been and will always be terrorism.

Interesting list in Wiki showing the US and other countries have experienced not only Islamic terrorism but other types as well. As the Bible says there is nothing new under the sun.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents

Remember that poison that was put into aspirin bottles decades ago where people died. Then companies started manufacturing such things with sealed tops.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

And it barely scratches the surface. The swamp churns and churns.

Whatever that means??

 

[ok doser]

Big cities did not have terrorism before we started importing Muslims by the thousands.

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that's 'cause this sort of crap used to be controlled by organized crime


one of the unintended consequences of quashing organized crime, i spose - create a vacuum and all sorts of garbage floods in

 

[ok doser]

The attacker in London was an immigrant from where?

his parents have been reported as immigrating from parts unknown

here's a pic of him:

sure don't look like a jute, an angle or a saxon to me :idunno:

 

[Town Heretic]

I wonder how many "Protests" TH has attended? I suppose we wouldn't be able to distinguish between him and the other "Black garbed, black masked Marauders."

That's because you suppose all sorts of goofy things with no particular basis in reality.

In a "Perfect World" Muslims wouldn't be allowed into the U.S.

In a perfect world you wouldn't have internet access. Or, your idea of a perfect world doesn't jibe with the American idea, but the American idea protects you all the same.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

That's because you suppose all sorts of goofy things with no particular basis in reality.


In a perfect world you wouldn't have internet access. Or, your idea of a perfect world doesn't jibe with the American idea, but the American idea protects you all the same.

I "suppose" to YOUR way of thinking, which is shall we say, lacking in imagination and discernment, it would appear that way.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

You don't seem to be improving, TH. I'm sorry to see that.

 

[Town Heretic]

I "suppose" to YOUR way of thinking,

It's called logic and it isn't singularly mine unless you're comparing the two of us.

lacking in imagination and discernment, it would appear that way.

I'd contest the imagination part of your self-evaluation, but given your use of discernment as a descriptive I'm forced to concede the point.