The Late Great Urantia Revelation

[Caino]

Its a white-washed evangelical promo piece, a hodge-podge production. Note my comment in the comment section. It does have some UB readers share their testimony however, although it still presents them as 'deceived', even though their lives have been blessed, enhanced, consciousness raised and vision expanded.

Its peculiar how the urge to attack and discredit is coming from a place of fear or insecurity apparently, for if someone had 'truth', they would be open and accepting of 'truth' wherever it is found, corresponding and correlating to truth found in other writings (conceptual-frames, cult-ural contexts, mythologies). Instead a wholesale attack (a gesture from a fear-based ego?) is performed, all the while exalting their own 'image' of God or 'truth' as the only true one (an objective idolization of sorts).

See this portion on Divine Truth, beauty, goodness. Its important to understand 'truth' on both 'absolute' and 'relative' levels of being.



What some are 'missing' (and thats the main point, missing the forest for the trees), is the opportunity here to approach the revelation of God and Jesus from an expanded frame reference, extending one's theology within a greater cosmological context, which opens the doors to a more magnificent vision of reality. This can be granted even within a mythological frame-reference, as much as our information serves to illumine, coordinate and inter-relate the ideas, meanings, values being shared, either thru universal laws of science in all fields, and in personal religious experience which is of a spiritual/psychic nature. Those with narrow vision or a stifled intellect cannot reach out for a greater comprehension-grasp of reality as it is, or to see the subtle illusions which are shadows cast by the light which the mind must ever be cognizant of. In this dimension of space-time conditioning we must ever be cognizant of the 'relativity' of truth.



pj

The other worlds of Christ Michaels domain were allowed to watch the incarnate life of Jesus while on earth as well as billions of celestial beings of all types. Michael chose the least of all of his creation to complete the final requirements of unquestioned sovereignty of his creation. And on such a backward and fear ridden world did the drama play out, among the superstitions and crude theologies of blood sacrifice to manipulate the Gods.

8 Urantia is the sentimental shrine of all Nebadon, the chief of ten million inhabited worlds, the mortal home of Christ Michael, sovereign of all Nebadon, a Melchizedek minister to the realms, a system savior, an Adamic redeemer, a seraphic fellow, an associate of ascending spirits, a morontia progressor, a Son of Man in the likeness of mortal flesh, and the Planetary Prince of Urantia. And your record tells the truth when it says that this same Jesus has promised sometime to return to the world of his terminal bestowal, the World of the Cross.*

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

See Here :readthis: Until you educate yourself, you are disqualified from discussion.

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For an insight into the Nature of 'cultism' -



The UB provides a conceptual-frame, fundamental principles, universal ideals and eternal values upon which man may morally and spiritually progress, promoting the dynamic of a living religion, one that fosters faith in goodness, truth and beauty, in doing the divine will, in loving God and serving others.



pj

In the area of Scripture verses the UB, I would rather choose to
have great knowledge of the written word of God, and remain
ignorant about the fictionalized 'addition' of the Bible, known
as the Urantia Book! Which I never heard of until I had the
displeasure of running across yourself and Caino!

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

The other worlds of Christ Michaels domain were allowed to watch the incarnate life of Jesus while on earth as well as billions of celestial beings of all types. Michael chose the least of all of his creation to complete the final requirements of unquestioned sovereignty of his creation. And on such a backward and fear ridden world did the drama play out, among the superstitions and crude theologies of blood sacrifice to manipulate the Gods.

The UB is a farcical creation of a disturbed mindset! Have you NO
interest in the True Gospel? And, have you NO interest in where
you will spend eternity?

 

[Zeke]

Yes, from a pure metaphysical perspective,....the whole play of 'time' is the 'magic-carpet-ride' of creation,...since that is what life 'apparently' is about, as we "perceive" it, since time is an affection of 'movement' of space, energy, mind, matter. With no movement or relativity of any kind, there is no time-reference. Of course we could just abide in pure God-consciousness, wholly attuned only to our 'thought-adjuster' (a pre-personal fragment of pure deity) and enjoy bliss (zazen), identifying our awareness with 'Brahman', the Infinite All,.... knowing 'that', being 'that', because 'that' is All There IS (from a non-duality point of view).

All there is, is consciousness. Nothing exists outside of it, as far as we are concerned.

From a literal, historical perspective,...we assume or believe Jesus is good on his word, that he will return sometime in the future. Those not too enthusiastic about this literal promise, assume he has returned and is always returning when one becomes illumined with 'Christ-consciousness', so that the spiritual return of Jesus as a 'new birth' or 'encounter' is happening simultaneously wherever a 'soul' is receptive to his visitation - and so his 'parousia' is his 'presence'. Here we recognize the omnipresence of SPIRIT.

Even now, Jesus is but a concept, a personality-image in our minds, serving to 'connect' us to the Father, who is pure Spirit. The 'Bi-bull' (ha!) has its cult-ural format', but the UB can take you further, providing a greater platform and technology of terms to lift consciousness higher :cloud9:





pj

Life after OZ................. The inner power that tale (and many others) was trying to teach is the goal of being here, not searching outside our own kingdom to find our way back to it by stumbling over the same tales rehashed in technological glitter, the end result will still find us knocking on the door of the emerald city.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

You're only first mate though, the owner of the shipping company had to help you obtain your currant position, you brag about it but still you don't own anything other than a perception, and even that can fall over board and be lost at sea.

What is the shipping salvage outfit you work for?

LOL. Nope.

None.

 

[freelight]

The Emerald City......

The Emerald City......

Life after OZ................. The inner power that tale (and many others) was trying to teach is the goal of being here, not searching outside our own kingdom to find our way back to it by stumbling over the same tales rehashed in technological glitter, the end result will still find us knocking on the door of the emerald city.

- well, you're a real party-pooper

I get the gist of it, but don't forget....values, meanings, information-correlations are given thru language-symbols and terms, each information-system having its own unique nomenclature. On this thread, were exploring the inner kingdom thru the cosmology of the UB, so we cant ignore the 'codes' or 'keys' of its language in relating the concepts therein. All the little details have their place in the 'bigger cosmic picture', however we 'interpret' those. All is consciousness, perception, point of view. What we see depends on where we stand from the point of pure awareness or from any particular relative point of view. That's all that exists according to the 'view' and 'viewer' (we cant seem to separate the two).

Of course from the pure view of absolute reality, in the omnipresence of Spirit, we never left 'God', however the story of the 'fall' and the ego's plunge into 'seperation' and 'sin' is the natural path into duality, illusion, suffering....since by the mistaken-perception we've 'missed the mark' by deviating from the kingdom, believing we are foreigners to it, further divorcing ourselves from our core-reality, the essence of being ('God'). - all else of course is a 'glamor-show' of one degree or another, but a fascinating journey.

Space, time and consciousness voyaging thru such dimensions unfolds a 'play' or story of the soul, spanning every possibility and potential,....this is what life appears to be about. Without space or time, there is nothing for a mind or personality to "relate" to or reference in its 'relationship' to all other things and beings. 'Creation' appears to provide the 'engagement'. So,...I don't know where that leaves Dorothy or the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain, but that they are just a few of the characters making up the "play" - perhaps you can make a new thread using the metaphors and mythology of that



pj

 

[freelight]

being free.....

being free.....

In the area of Scripture verses the UB, I would rather choose to
have great knowledge of the written word of God, and remain
ignorant about the fictionalized 'addition' of the Bible, known
as the Urantia Book! Which I never heard of until I had the
displeasure of running across yourself and Caino!

It would a greater pleasure to give yourself the permission to think for yourself, really. Imagine the benefits. You can let go of that heavy load of dogma. Lighten up.




pj

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

It would a greater pleasure to give yourself the permission to think for yourself, really. Imagine the benefits. You can let go of that heavy load of dogma. Lighten up.




pj

TRUTH is lighter than air! So, there be NO load!

 

[freelight]

have ears to hear.......

have ears to hear.......

The UB is a farcical creation of a disturbed mindset!

I'd say a 'god' who commands the wholesale slaughter (genocide) of people, including women and children is more of a 'disturbed' entity, than the revelators of the UB who present a more noble, perfect, just and merciful 'God' whose character far outshines the arbitrary fickleness of that 'jealous' god in the OT, who might strike you down just for tipping his golden box a tad bit off kilter.

Have you NO
interest in the True Gospel?

Oh, you mean the one Jesus taught here? The gospel of Jesus taught in the papers is NOT the gospel of Paul, but of Jesus own teaching-message, centered in the way he lived his life, focusing on his 'religion', which he calls he disciples to adopt as their own. The focus in the papers is calling souls to the religion of Jesus (and living it), not just believing a religion about Jesus (please note the difference), which is what much of modern day Christianity has become, more or less.

And, have you NO interest in where
you will spend eternity?

What is eternal is eternal, what has eternal-potential will be eternalized when the qualifications for its conditions are met, hence every soul who chooses eternal survival by DOING GOD's WILL....will survive and become immortal to go on serving life in the worlds to come, in the realms beyond unto the farthest reaches of space. This is the grand and glorious vision revealed in the UB for all who will choose. The papers teach the highest concept of the prerogative of 'free will'. Life or death as far as soul-potential and destiny is concerned, is a matter of personal choice and will.



pj

 

[journey]

Everything the ub presents is false, fictional, the result of someone's imagination, and bears little or no resemblance to the truth. Anything from the ub that hints of the truth is stolen from the Holy Bible. Claiming to be telling God's story with lies is what the ub does. UM? - that's bearing false witness against God.

 

[Caino]

The religious zombies refused to open their hearts to Christ when he was on the earth in the flesh. Now, these same small minded kinds of robots mock this latest revelation sent by the very same Christ which they claim to follow.


Mark 3:20-30

20 And the multitude cometh together again, so that they could not so much as eat bread. 21 And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself. 22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.

23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? 24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end. 27 No man can enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

The religious zombies refused to open their hearts to Christ when he was on the earth in the flesh. Now, these same small minded kinds of robots mock this latest revelation sent by the very same Christ which they claim to follow.


Mark 3:20-30

20 And the multitude cometh together again, so that they could not so much as eat bread. 21 And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself. 22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.

23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? 24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end. 27 No man can enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.

You'd be making more sense if it weren't for the fact
that the UB has "very little" to do with the inspired
"written" word of God. (The Bible) You "weird fellows"
believe in a bunch of "new-age spiritualism, imaginary
created authority figures, sleeping conduits with 'cosmic
messages from beyond,' and a 'sprinkling' of Scriptures
in order to add some validity to your cultist belief system!

You have the right to believe anything you wish. Some people
believe in visitations from 'Extra-Terrestrials' who abduct
them and transport them to other galaxies and/or dimensions.
Others believe in shadow people, Loch Ness monsters, big foot,
and chupacabras. Then, we have the Moonies, Scientologists,
Buddhists, devil worshipers, Jonestown fanatics, heavens Gate
nuts, David Koresh, and the list goes, on and on and on!

Now you UB cultists have your place, in the history of peculiar
cults, beliefs, theories, and aberrations! Lucky you!

 

[Caino]

"And Jesus went on to say: “At Jerusalem the religious leaders have formulated the various doctrines of their traditional teachers and the prophets of other days into an established system of intellectual beliefs, a religion of authority. The appeal of all such religions is largely to the mind. And now are we about to enter upon a deadly conflict with such a religion since we will so shortly begin the bold proclamation of a new religion — a religion which is not a religion in the present-day meaning of that word, a religion that makes its chief appeal to the divine spirit of my Father which resides in the mind of man; a religion which shall derive its authority from the fruits of its acceptance that will so certainly appear in the personal experience of all who really and truly become believers in the truths of this higher spiritual communion.”​

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

I'd say a 'god' who commands the wholesale slaughter (genocide) of people, including women and children is more of a 'disturbed' entity, than the revelators of the UB who present a more noble, perfect, just and merciful 'God' whose character far outshines the arbitrary fickleness of that 'jealous' god in the OT, who might strike you down just for tipping his golden box a tad bit off kilter.



Oh, you mean the one Jesus taught here? The gospel of Jesus taught in the papers is NOT the gospel of Paul, but of Jesus own teaching-message, centered in the way he lived his life, focusing on his 'religion', which he calls he disciples to adopt as their own. The focus in the papers is calling souls to the religion of Jesus (and living it), not just believing a religion about Jesus (please note the difference), which is what much of modern day Christianity has become, more or less.



What is eternal is eternal, what has eternal-potential will be eternalized when the qualifications for its conditions are met, hence every soul who chooses eternal survival by DOING GOD's WILL....will survive and become immortal to go on serving life in the worlds to come, in the realms beyond unto the farthest reaches of space. This is the grand and glorious vision revealed in the UB for all who will choose. The papers teach the highest concept of the prerogative of 'free will'. Life or death as far as soul-potential and destiny is concerned, is a matter of personal choice and will.



pj

Christianity began about 2,000 years ago. The Old Testament
goes back thousands of years! The UB came into "written form"
in 1955. Around the same time L.Ron Hubbard (Science Fiction
writer extraordinaire) wrote 'Dianetics' which he subsequently
created a religion out of it! Lot of Sci-Fi movies, UFO sightings,
Roswell (Circa; 1948), going on in the 50s. So it's no surprise
that different types of "UFO cults, theories, and alien abduction
accounts sprang up during this period of time?

There were copious amounts of newspaper accounts and theories
being bandied about, not to mention a book entitled, "The Interrupted
Journey" written in 1961, about a married couple named, Betty and
Barney Hill, who were supposedly abducted by aliens!

I'm surprised that 'more' cults didn't emerge from this time! The
worries back then, were; Communists, and Aliens!

 

[Caino]

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The First Human Family​

"URANTIA was registered as an inhabited world when the first two human beings — the twins — were eleven years old, and before they had become the parents of the first-born of the second generation of actual human beings. And the archangel message from Salvington, on this occasion of formal planetary recognition, closed with these words:


“Man-mind has appeared on 606 of Satania, and these parents of the new race shall be called Andon and Fonta. And all archangels pray that these creatures may speedily be endowed with the personal indwelling of the gift of the spirit of the Universal Father.”

Andon is the Nebadon name which signifies “the first Fatherlike creature to exhibit human perfection hunger.” Fonta signifies “the first Sonlike creature to exhibit human perfection hunger.” Andon and Fonta never knew these names until they were bestowed upon them at the time of fusion with their Thought Adjusters. Throughout their mortal sojourn on Urantia they called each other Sonta-an and Sonta-en, Sonta-an meaning “loved by mother,” Sonta-en signifying “loved by father.” They gave themselves these names, and the meanings are significant of their mutual regard and affection......" UB 1955


http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-63-first-human-family




....."ASIA is the homeland of the human race. It was on a southern peninsula of this continent that Andon and Fonta were born; in the highlands of what is now Afghanistan, their descendant Badonan founded a primitive center of culture that persisted for over one-half million years. Here at this eastern focus of the human race the Sangik peoples differentiated from the Andonic stock, and Asia was their first home, their first hunting ground, their first battlefield. Southwestern Asia witnessed the successive civilizations of Dalamatians, Nodites, Adamites, and Andites, and from these regions the potentials of modern civilization spread to the world."

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[Grosnick Marowbe]

.

The First Human Family​

"URANTIA was registered as an inhabited world when the first two human beings — the twins — were eleven years old, and before they had become the parents of the first-born of the second generation of actual human beings. And the archangel message from Salvington, on this occasion of formal planetary recognition, closed with these words:


“Man-mind has appeared on 606 of Satania, and these parents of the new race shall be called Andon and Fonta. And all archangels pray that these creatures may speedily be endowed with the personal indwelling of the gift of the spirit of the Universal Father.”

Andon is the Nebadon name which signifies “the first Fatherlike creature to exhibit human perfection hunger.” Fonta signifies “the first Sonlike creature to exhibit human perfection hunger.” Andon and Fonta never knew these names until they were bestowed upon them at the time of fusion with their Thought Adjusters. Throughout their mortal sojourn on Urantia they called each other Sonta-an and Sonta-en, Sonta-an meaning “loved by mother,” Sonta-en signifying “loved by father.” They gave themselves these names, and the meanings are significant of their mutual regard and affection......" UB 1955




....."ASIA is the homeland of the human race. It was on a southern peninsula of this continent that Andon and Fonta were born; in the highlands of what is now Afghanistan, their descendant Badonan founded a primitive center of culture that persisted for over one-half million years. Here at this eastern focus of the human race the Sangik peoples differentiated from the Andonic stock, and Asia was their first home, their first hunting ground, their first battlefield. Southwestern Asia witnessed the successive civilizations of Dalamatians, Nodites, Adamites, and Andites, and from these regions the potentials of modern civilization spread to the world."

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It makes for a good "Fairy story" but, lacks the element of reality!

 

[Right Divider]

"And Jesus went on to say: “At Jerusalem the religious leaders have formulated the various doctrines of their traditional teachers and the prophets of other days into an established system of intellectual beliefs, a religion of authority. The appeal of all such religions is largely to the mind. And now are we about to enter upon a deadly conflict with such a religion since we will so shortly begin the bold proclamation of a new religion — a religion which is not a religion in the present-day meaning of that word, a religion that makes its chief appeal to the divine spirit of my Father which resides in the mind of man; a religion which shall derive its authority from the fruits of its acceptance that will so certainly appear in the personal experience of all who really and truly become believers in the truths of this higher spiritual communion.”​

And why, exactly, would anyone believe that Jesus said this?

Oh, that's right.... your anonymous author....

 

[Caino]

And why, exactly, would anyone believe that Jesus said this?

Oh, that's right.... your anonymous author....

Lets suppose Jesus didn't say it, is it true? If not what part is not true? Why?

 

[Right Divider]

Lets suppose Jesus didn't say it, is it true? If not what part is not true? Why?

You are making the CLAIM that He said it. It is up to YOU to provide some PROOF.

 

[Caino]

You are making the CLAIM that He said it. It is up to YOU to provide some PROOF.

There is no proof per say, but there is no proof of God either.

"God is so all real and absolute that no material sign of proof or no demonstration of so-called miracle may be offered in testimony of his reality. Always will we know him because we trust him, and our belief in him is wholly based on our personal participation in the divine manifestations of his infinite reality."​