The Late Great Urantia Revelation

[Aimiel]

The people here on this forum really do sincerely think we are a bunch of fruit cakes, to them it is not possible that they could be wrong. So they remain marooned in the distant past with a historical worldview that is in complete contradiction to reality.

Actually, it's exactly the way God inspired it. We believe Scripture not just because it is God's Truth, but it also proves true. It passes the spiritual acid-test.

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Your UB doesn't pass that test, because it isn't from The Spirit of God... it is from Satan.

 

[freelight]

Infinite LOVE......

Infinite LOVE......

My opinion is, you know nothing about Spiritual matters! However,
you seem to know a lot about "little green men!"

God is Love.

Love is the desire to do good to others. ~ UB, (56:10.20)

Love does not eternally torture its offspring.

~*~*~

Love in the UB

You've been addressed about UFO's and little green men already. You choose to remain an 'embicile' about it. Your self-esteem must not be very high.

~*~*~

Here :readthis:




pj

 

[Zeke]

Actually, it's exactly the way God inspired it. We believe Scripture not just because it is God's Truth, but it also proves true. It passes the spiritual acid-test.

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Your UB doesn't pass that test, because it isn't from The Spirit of God... it is from Satan.

Not really unique evidence, many diverse beliefs have what they would call a spiritual experience that changed their lives.

Plus the Bi-Bull fails the test of history, it does mimic many stories of other cultures who were also under the spell of superstition cast by the religious, political, leaders etc....(they are all connected) who did know the truth about the Astrological Science they perverted, sadly you are the fruit of that emotional based hoax that preys on the weak minded who have been told they are worthless sinners. The hero god motif is so easy to research and find where the hoax got it's legs.

 

[freelight]

So, according to you, Jesus was lying...

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Notice no mention of eternal torture in a lake of fire here. Other passages that speak of 'eternal punishments', etc. can be variously translated, and I suspect a few are interpolations put into the mouth of Jesus (a few instances in the gospels). The verses in Revelation are also problematic and an issue of 'interpretation' about souls being eternally tormented, etc. Principles still hold, and where these are violated concerning the character and administration of 'God' they are to be rejected, since they cannot be that which God would enforce.

The insanity of ECT (eternal conscious torment)



pj

 

[Aimiel]

Notice no mention of eternal torture in a lake of fire here. Other passages that speak of 'eternal punishments', etc. can be variously translated, and I suspect a few are interpolations put into the mouth of Jesus (a few instances in the gospels). The verses in Revelation are also problematic and an issue of 'interpretation' about souls being eternally tormented, etc. Principles still hold, and where these are violated concerning the character and administration of 'God' they are to be rejected, since they cannot be that which God would enforce.

Hogwash. You're suggesting wholesale editing of The Word of God. You have no idea how blasphemous you are.

 

[Aimiel]

Not really unique evidence, many diverse beliefs have what they would call a spiritual experience that changed their lives.

Plus the Bi-Bull fails the test of history, it does mimic many stories of other cultures who were also under the spell of superstition cast by the religious, political, leaders etc....(they are all connected) who did know the truth about the Astrological Science they perverted, sadly you are the fruit of that emotional based hoax that preys on the weak minded who have been told they are worthless sinners. The hero god motif is so easy to research and find where the hoax got it's legs.

Blasphemy.

 

[freelight]

The 'thought-adjuster', the pre-personal fragment of 'God' within....

The 'thought-adjuster', the pre-personal fragment of 'God' within....

Actually, it's exactly the way God inspired it. We believe Scripture not just because it is God's Truth, but it also proves true. It passes the spiritual acid-test.

Its a religious text like any other among the planet's various traditions, it doesn't necessarily merit exclusivity since it draws from universal laws and principles which are translated thru the cultural-forms of various communities so that all genuine portals of truth, are but rays from One Central Sun (God).

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Yes,....this is an inner subjective 'gnosis' that we have spiritually speaking. The God-presence, spark, thought-adjuster, divine essence, abides in all conscious souls giving them the potential for immortality/eternal life.

Your UB doesn't pass that test, because it isn't from The Spirit of God... it is from Satan.

The truth of any religious text is inherent within it, if one has the spiritual receptivity and intellectual ability to receive such, the Spirit enlightening and guiding the soul.



pj

 

[freelight]

your 'hog' needs washing

your 'hog' needs washing

Hogwash. You're suggesting wholesale editing of The Word of God. You have no idea how blasphemous you are.

'God' is the light, essence and reality of Life itself. Words printed on paper are but relative symbols, pointers, descriptions. Only the Spirit alone is Life, even consciousness itself.




pj

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

'God' is the light, essence and reality of Life itself. Words printed on paper are but relative symbols, pointers, descriptions. Only the Spirit alone is Life, even consciousness itself.




pj

:hammer:

 

[Zeke]

Blasphemy.

That's drama queen nonsense, there is no ego, anger, fear, or emotional hysteria to be offended within a state of perfection and benevolence of the Creator.

You have a god with the ego and conscience of a teenager.

 

[Aimiel]

You have a god with the ego and conscience of a teenager.

I didn't design Him. I just worship Him. Just because you picture Him a certain way doesn't mean that's what He is. He does have feelings. He is jealous.

 

[freelight]

discuss.......

discuss.......

Freelight,

Lets move on from the haters and discus some truth.

A marvelous suggestion, since this IS a discussion forum.

As we know Jesus wasn't the Jewish Messiah, at least as the Jews conceived of the Messiah based on ideas taken from their scriptures.
Jesus had tried to get the idea out of the minds of his followers but to no avail, they thought he was just being humble.

Early on in the narrative, before his public ministry began, Jesus made a decision which set the stage for the heavenly Father to work out one of the most extraordinarily, divinely brilliant transitions from the ideas of Judaism to the Western world using themes from both religious cultures. It happened right after the seemingly accidental conversion of water to wine at the wedding at Cana:

"That night Jesus did not sleep. Donning his evening wraps, he sat out on the lake shore thinking, thinking until the dawn of the next day. In the long hours of that night of meditation Jesus came clearly to comprehend that he never would be able to make his followers see him in any other light than as the long-expected Messiah. At last he recognized that there was no way to launch his message of the kingdom except as the fulfillment of John’s prediction and as the one for whom the Jews were looking. After all, though he was not the Davidic type of Messiah, he was truly the fulfillment of the prophetic utterances of the more spiritually minded of the olden seers. Never again did he wholly deny that he was the Messiah. He decided to leave the final untangling of this complicated situation to the outworking of the Father’s will."​

It was genius somewhat on Jesus part, he understanding the religious-cultural-belief-structure he was born into, using some of that as a vehicle to preach the goodnews, letting the teaching speak for itself, even with the preconceptions and situational-context, since the 'kingdom' was ever the primary theme, God and Man co-operating in harmony on earth.

Its a curious thing, we can understand why there could have been some bad apples in charge when Jesus was on earth, but why have the Jews subsequently rejected Jesus for thousands of years? Part of the reason is their use of the scripture to reject the light and block their hearts. But while some of their arguments are correct others are not in light of the most recent revelation of truth in the Urantia Book.

Visit one of the sights and listen to the arguments:


http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jewsandjesus/

Yes,....as shared earlier on 'blood atonement', traditional-orthodox Jews reject Jesus blood offering upon the principles in their own law, since no human blood was ever sanctioned by YHWH to atone for sins (let alone their Messiahs), recognizing that blood in and of itself (any blood) cannot necessarily cleanse/transform the conscience or purify a soul, so its is a mere ritual act that is invested with some kind of faith, whose effects may vary.



pj

 

[Caino]

A marvelous suggestion, since this IS a discussion forum.



It was genius somewhat on Jesus part, he understanding the religious-cultural-belief-structure he was born into, using some of that as a vehicle to preach the goodnews, letting the teaching speak for itself, even with the preconceptions and situational-context, since the 'kingdom' was ever the primary theme, God and Man co-operating in harmony on earth.



Yes,....as shared earlier on 'blood atonement', traditional-orthodox Jews reject Jesus blood offering upon the principles in their own law, since no human blood was ever sanctioned by YHWH to atone for sins (let alone their Messiahs), recognizing that blood in and of itself (any blood) cannot necessarily cleanse/transform the conscience or purify a soul, so its is a mere ritual act that is invested with some kind of faith, whose effects may vary.



pj

I know there is a Hebrew translation in the works which will help Jews realize that some of the elements of the Christian religion about Jesus are not accurate. As you know, Jesus didn't teach atonement or human sacrifice, God is changeless. Jesus' parents were married although one of Joseph's descendants was adopted so he was not in line to David anyway. Jesus was conceived the natural way, the great miracle was how the creator Son Michael became the person in the child of Jesus.

But there are other legitimate points made by the Jews within their Babylonian scripture books that lead them to reject Jesus. That's the problem with blindly following church governments creation.

 

[TulipBee]

I know there is a Hebrew translation in the works which will help Jews realize that some of the elements of the Christian religion about Jesus are not accurate. As you know, Jesus didn't teach atonement or human sacrifice, God is changeless. Jesus' parents were married although one of Joseph's descendants was adopted so he was not in line to David anyway. Jesus was conceived the natural way, the great miracle was how the creator Son Michael became the person in the child of Jesus.

But there are other legitimate points made by the Jews within their Babylonian scripture books that lead them to reject Jesus. That's the problem with blindly following church governments creation.

Who was the sperm that bumped into Jesus egg?

 

[freelight]

Incarnation of a Creator Son.......

Incarnation of a Creator Son.......

Who was the sperm that bumped into Jesus egg?

Well,...as you know in Orthodox Christian theology....the 'Incarnation' is a divine mystery, and even so in the papers,...it is a divine secret how Creator Sons can enter into mortality and live on a planet of their making as a mortal.

Joshua ben Joseph, the Jewish baby, was conceived and was born into the world just as all other babies before and since except that this particular baby was the incarnation of Michael of Nebadon, a divine Son of Paradise and the creator of all this local universe of things and beings. And this mystery of the incarnation of Deity within the human form of Jesus, otherwise of natural origin on the world, will forever remain unsolved. Even in eternity you will never know the technique and method of the incarnation of the Creator in the form and likeness of his creatures. That is the secret of Sonarington, and such mysteries are the exclusive possession of those divine Sons who have passed through the bestowal experience. (119:7.5)

So, we have the beauty of a divine mystery. Note that a 'virgin birth' is NOT necessary to assume Jesus divinity. Frankly, I don't see how the mythology or nuance of a 'virgin birth' enhances faith really, since God could just as well bring forth a divine miracle thru natural means (processes) and it still be just as mysterious and wonderful. In fact the latter is more awesome.




pj

 

[Aimiel]

...some of the elements of the Christian religion about Jesus are not accurate.

Funny how not one single historical or scientific fact stated in The Holy Scriptures has ever been proven false, yet you claim your UB trumps Scripture.

 

[TulipBee]

Well,...as you know in Orthodox Christian theology....the 'Incarnation' is a divine mystery, and even so in the papers,...it is a divine secret how Creator Sons can enter into mortality and live on a planet of their making as a mortal.



So, we have the beauty of a divine mystery. Note that a 'virgin birth' is NOT necessary to assume Jesus divinity. Frankly, I don't see how the mythology or nuance of a 'virgin birth' enhances faith really, since God could just as well bring forth a divine miracle thru natural means (processes) and it still be just as mysterious and wonderful. In fact the latter is more awesome.




pj

Caino said "Jesus was conceived the natural way" and I thought the UB teaches Jesus wasn't born from a virgin meaning she didn't know a man.

 

[Caino]

Caino said "Jesus was conceived the natural way" and I thought the UB teaches Jesus wasn't born from a virgin meaning she didn't know a man.

Joseph and Mary were married before Jesus was conceived. It was Joseph's sperm. The virgin birth story came from Pagan mythology in addition to the atonement doctrine.

What's interesting is that the Jews believed the Messiah must be from David's line on his fathers side. If he really was conceived by the Holy Spirit then he's not from David's line anyway.

 

[TulipBee]

Joseph and Mary were married before Jesus was conceived. It was Joseph's sperm. The virgin birth story came from Pagan mythology in addition to the atonement doctrine.

What's interesting is that the Jews believed the Messiah must be from David's line on his fathers side. If he really was conceived by the Holy Spirit then he's not from David's line anyway.

Why was Mary called virgin?

Didn't bible say they were not married before?

 

[Caino]

Why was Mary called virgin?

Didn't bible say they were not married before?

When early Christians attempted to force Jesus into parts of the OT one area that they used was "14"Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.

But Christian scholars have had to face that the translation isn't virgin.

The virgin idea grew up in lore. It had been believed that sin transmits through sex and conception so they needed to have Mary be an unmarried virgin.