The Late Great Urantia Revelation

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freelight

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Yep. It's about the UB being doctrines of demons. It's about the UB being worthless. Thanks for reminding us.Was I trolling? I apologize. I only meant to tell the truth. Did it hurt? Sorry. All of which are thieves and robbers, except Christ, Whose Blood was shed to free men from sin.You cling to anything that is false. You cling to anything that disputes sound doctrine. You cling to only lies.You aren't 'in' God (except the god of this world: Satan). You're wretched, miserable, blind, poor and naked and you don't even know it.Your identity is: "ChainedToDarknes," not FreeLight. You have no light in you and you are captive of a demon spirit.Neither have I. It's nothing but lies. It's from hell. It is completely false and has nothing to do with God. It reveals nothing but darkness.Truth isn't relative. Truth is Truth. Jesus is Truth. Jebus is a false god that doesn't exist. The UB portrays Jebus, NOT Jesus.When you shut your ears to the True Gospel and listen to every single lie the enemy tells, then go around promoting those lies as if they have even a shred of truth in them you're making yourself the enemy of God. You're playing for the wrong team. You are not doing good. You're doing pure evil. The worst kind: you're self-deceived.Yes, they are; but only ONE is subject to God: Christianity. Without Christ there is no hope.


Lets put a size-perspective on the above, pretty much the same ole drivel. Same ole song :idunno:

With that,....its ignore time for you,....curtains :)



pj
 
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Charity

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]It's as bad as conquering someone's land
The smallest aspect of the most grievous breach

Either adjust the laws to benefit self, or begger off out of the land, Abraham did it, Moses did it, watch for an astral fireball an announce god has given you the land you stand on, even your son will fight angles that chase him all night, in forcing the laws of his fathers birth, your promise of land from god, will make your son as the spoilt un chastened husband that choses a bride, yet subject to laws, under fathers birth land.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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That's what the purpose of the thread is, and the greater purpose of TOL in general, since this is the 'Religion' section, - all religious topics are allowed engagement.

Well, I suspect you ought to realize that, when you come on
a basically Christian forum, and espouse an obviously false
doctrine, and fictional additions to the Bible that, you're gonna
get some 'negative feedback!' Haven't you figured that out
yet?

You present some fancy words/phrases however, "baloney" by
any other name is still baloney! Do you understand that?
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Freelight, if it weren't for a few Christians on this thread, it would
lie dormant, and disappear! Caino and yourself are the ONLY "Space
Cadets" besides a very few Christians that, keep your thread alive!

So, negative attention is better than, no attention in this case! Besides,
it would appear as if Caino has returned to the "mother ship," haven't
seen him for awhile!
 

Charity

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Aimiel is still trying to make the rejection and murder part of a plan by Christ:

Isaiah 53:10
Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief:

Nice one.
Also
have you seen stuu's house??
 

Aimiel

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Aimiel is still trying to make the rejection and murder part of a plan by Christ:

Isaiah 53:10
Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief:
I don't have to... God's Word does that for me...

Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

God saw Christ crucified before the foundation of the earth was set. He knows the end from the beginning. He was born for the day He destroyed Death. He set His Face like flint against Hell. He destroyed every power of the enemy by submitting to the punishment of sinners. How can you call yourself Christian without rejoicing over His Crucifiction? It's the single worst and best thing that has ever happened. It was the hardest thing any human being has ever gone through and yet the most powerful thing any human being has ever done. It is the event that split our calendar. It caused the veil to be torn in two. It caused darkness at mid-day on the day of a full moon with a cloudless sky. It caused a great earthquake. It broke the power of Hell, Death and the grave. It defeated Sin. Making it meaningless by thinking it was un-planned or simply an accident makes light of God's Word. Jesus looked down through time and saw the rejoicing that He reverenced more than His Own Life because of the people He would save from hell and thought of His Life as nothing compared to the lives of those He would rescue and willingly suffered our wages (death) so that we would never have to.
 

Charity

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You can go around in circles forming every opinion using bible texts. The fact is, the conclusion is, all the opinions, an options are stored in bible texts. How on earth, period, you cannot an should not us bible texts as complete an utter. You Muslim law books stashed in their to trip you. An before you know it, you observe it, an it moves in an takes foot. Because the bible said so...
 

freelight

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Jesus, a Creator-Son of God.......

Jesus, a Creator-Son of God.......

~*~*~


Greetings all,

I thought to correlate a recent thread on 'Jesus, a creation of God?', as sharing a UB point of view of Jesus being a 'Creator-Son', and if this means that Jesus is somehow a creation of God. This is interfacing within the traditional Unitarian/Trinitarian debate on the nature of Jesus, however....the UB view does offer a unique and interesting perspective on this.

See this page on thread above :)

The UB transcends the usual Unitarian/Trinitarian debate by revealing that Jesus is NOT the original Eternal Son who is part of the Paradise Trinity, but the offspring of the Universal Father and Eternal Son, being of the order of 'Creator-Sons' (also called Michaels, hence one title for Jesus is 'Christ-Michael'). The papers claim Jesus was unfortunately mistaken to be the Eternal Son ( a member of the Trinity) by orthodox Christians (as they formulated their doctrine), when this is not so.

Jesus being a 'Creator-Son' in no wise diminishes his divinity or sovereign lordship as our Planetary Prince and Savior, since by his bestowal (incarnation, life-ministry and resurrection) here, he further won that title of rightful ruler of his own universe-creation. Jesus as a Creator-Son is our Creator, and in this respect is 'God' to us, in the closest relational sense, as he is the Deity-respresentative in closest association to us, while the Paradise Trinity (and all its divine personalities) are ancestral and supreme in their primacy within the divine hierarchy. Hence,....there is ever the absolute, ultimate and infinite glory of the Universal Father behind all that is or ever will be, the Creator-Sons and other orders of divine Sons and Spirits being servants and representations of that FATHER-GOD. Context, associations, relationships, inter-actions on relative levels are essential here for comprehending such a cosmology.

So is Jesus a creation of God, as a 'Creator-Son' in the UB view? I suppose its a matter of definition. The Creator-Sons are divine creator-personalities generated out from 'God', and only in the sense that they have an origin or beginning-point in space-time, could they be said to be a 'creation' of 'God', just like all 'personalities' originate from the eternal Personality-source of God the Father, so they are begotten(generated, created, in-formed) in that sense. To whom does it matter?

A 'Son' is by definition an offspring/creation/production of a Father, relationally speaking, so we continually begin and end back to the Source of all, The Universal Father,....and the primal Deity-collective of the Paradise Trinity. In our language we cannot help but use terms referring to time-space relationships, for these are the only symbols or terms we can 'relate' with. Everything beyond space or time, is unrelatable, hence the challenge of language, which can but point to or describe what is beyond it. All creative associations then are comprehended within some perceptual-context of space and time, wherever 'relativity' of any kind exists.


In-joy :)




pj
 

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"The world is filled with lost souls, not lost in the theologic sense but lost in the directional meaning, wandering about in confusion among the isms and cults of a frustrated philosophic era. Too few have learned how to install a philosophy of living in the place of religious authority. (The symbols of socialized religion are not to be despised as channels of growth, albeit the river bed is not the river.)

(1098.5) 100:5.2 The progression of religious growth leads from stagnation through conflict to co-ordination, from insecurity to undoubting faith, from confusion of cosmic consciousness to unification of personality, from the temporal objective to the eternal, from the bondage of fear to the liberty of divine sonship.

(1099.1) 100:5.3 It should be made clear that professions of loyalty to the supreme ideals — the psychic, emotional, and spiritual awareness of God-consciousness — may be a natural and gradual growth or may sometimes be experienced at certain junctures, as in a crisis. The Apostle Paul experienced just such a sudden and spectacular conversion that eventful day on the Damascus road. Gautama Siddhartha had a similar experience the night he sat alone and sought to penetrate the mystery of final truth. Many others have had like experiences, and many true believers have progressed in the spirit without sudden conversion.

(1099.2) 100:5.4 Most of the spectacular phenomena associated with so-called religious conversions are entirely psychologic in nature, but now and then there do occur experiences which are also spiritual in origin. When the mental mobilization is absolutely total on any level of the psychic upreach toward spirit attainment, when there exists perfection of the human motivation of loyalties to the divine idea, then there very often occurs a sudden down-grasp of the indwelling spirit to synchronize with the concentrated and consecrated purpose of the superconscious mind of the believing mortal. And it is such experiences of unified intellectual and spiritual phenomena that constitute the conversion which consists in factors over and above purely psychologic involvement.

(1099.3) 100:5.5 But emotion alone is a false conversion; one must have faith as well as feeling. To the extent that such psychic mobilization is partial, and in so far as such human-loyalty motivation is incomplete, to that extent will the experience of conversion be a blended intellectual, emotional, and spiritual reality."
 

Caino

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Aimiel is still trying to make the rejection and murder part of a plan by Christ:

Isaiah 53:10
Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief:

Nice one.
Also
have you seen stuu's house??

Hi Charity, it is unfortunate that we were born in a world that teaches about Jesus as he was understood by the Pagans, not as he himself originally taught.

After the resurrection (which I am aware that you don't believe in) everything changed, the original gospel of salvation by faith and spiritual rebirth was converted into salvation because God accepted the human sacrifice of God the Son. It's primitive and Pagan but simple for the self made street preachers to teach.

Good to see you again.
 

Charity

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Hi Charity, it is unfortunate that we were born in a world that teaches about Jesus as he was understood by the Pagans, not as he himself originally taught.

After the resurrection (which I am aware that you don't believe in) everything changed, the original gospel of salvation by faith and spiritual rebirth was converted into salvation because God accepted the human sacrifice of God the Son. It's primitive and Pagan but simple for the self made street preachers to teach.

Good to see you again.
Thanks colter,
Good to see you :)
I think, if for a resurrection of power, Jesus never appeared before any of the Roman Empire. Neither did so much as blow their house down, nor stop them killing his followers, An carrying looted gold back to Vatican City. There faith is extreme , considering they never saw him risen, an they killed those did. A sign for further consideration.
I think, if, for a resurrection, a sense of extreme forgiveness for tyrants has been extended, due, nill judgment, neither justice being executed at the return of Christ . The impact then 0 as he dose not even appear an smack them on the hand.
I think prolonging the judgement an justice of governing tyrants has bought us from then to today. Respecting governments that really should be blamed an accountable
 

Caino

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Thanks colter,
Good to see you :)
I think, if for a resurrection of power, Jesus never appeared before any of the Roman Empire. Neither did so much as blow their house down, nor stop them killing his followers, An carrying looted gold back to Vatican City. There faith is extreme , considering they never saw him risen, an they killed those did. A sign for further consideration.
I think, if, for a resurrection, a sense of extreme forgiveness for tyrants has been extended, due, nill judgment, neither justice being executed at the return of Christ . The impact then 0 as he dose not even appear an smack them on the hand.
I think prolonging the judgement an justice of governing tyrants has bought us from then to today. Respecting governments that really should be blamed an accountable

"No sign will be given"


God isn't hiding from us; he wants us to find him by pursuing truth by way of living experience. Therefore, he will not give us absolute PROOF of anything. The resurrected Jesus appeared to small enough groups of the faithful to plant the seeds, beyond that he wasn't going to interfere with your faith life decisions. But if you throw out conflicted Christianity and focus on the life Jesus lived, you will see more of what God is like.

Charity, if you find it difficult to believe, you can at least know that I believe for whatever that’s worth to you.



(1301.4) 118:7.7 Subpersonal living things indicate mind activating energy-matter, first as physical controllers, and then as adjutant mind-spirits. Personality endowment comes from the Father and imparts unique prerogatives of choice to the living system. But if personality has the prerogative of exercising volitional choice of reality identification, and if this is a true and free choice, then must evolving personality also have the possible choice of becoming self-confusing, self-disrupting, and self-destroying. The possibility of cosmic self-destruction cannot be avoided if the evolving personality is to be truly free in the exercise of finite will.

(1301.5) 118:7.8 Therefore is there increased safety in narrowing the limits of personality choice throughout the lower levels of existence. Choice becomes increasingly liberated as the universes are ascended; choice eventually approximates divine freedom when the ascending personality achieves divinity of status, supremacy of consecration to the purposes of the universe, completion of cosmic-wisdom attainment, and finality of creature identification with the will and the way of God.
 

freelight

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True religion.........

True religion.........

"The world is filled with lost souls, not lost in the theologic sense but lost in the directional meaning, wandering about in confusion among the isms and cults of a frustrated philosophic era. Too few have learned how to install a philosophy of living in the place of religious authority. (The symbols of socialized religion are not to be despised as channels of growth, albeit the river bed is not the river.)

(1098.5) 100:5.2 The progression of religious growth leads from stagnation through conflict to co-ordination, from insecurity to undoubting faith, from confusion of cosmic consciousness to unification of personality, from the temporal objective to the eternal, from the bondage of fear to the liberty of divine sonship.

(1099.1) 100:5.3 It should be made clear that professions of loyalty to the supreme ideals — the psychic, emotional, and spiritual awareness of God-consciousness — may be a natural and gradual growth or may sometimes be experienced at certain junctures, as in a crisis. The Apostle Paul experienced just such a sudden and spectacular conversion that eventful day on the Damascus road. Gautama Siddhartha had a similar experience the night he sat alone and sought to penetrate the mystery of final truth. Many others have had like experiences, and many true believers have progressed in the spirit without sudden conversion.

(1099.2) 100:5.4 Most of the spectacular phenomena associated with so-called religious conversions are entirely psychologic in nature, but now and then there do occur experiences which are also spiritual in origin. When the mental mobilization is absolutely total on any level of the psychic upreach toward spirit attainment, when there exists perfection of the human motivation of loyalties to the divine idea, then there very often occurs a sudden down-grasp of the indwelling spirit to synchronize with the concentrated and consecrated purpose of the superconscious mind of the believing mortal. And it is such experiences of unified intellectual and spiritual phenomena that constitute the conversion which consists in factors over and above purely psychologic involvement.

(1099.3) 100:5.5 But emotion alone is a false conversion; one must have faith as well as feeling. To the extent that such psychic mobilization is partial, and in so far as such human-loyalty motivation is incomplete, to that extent will the experience of conversion be a blended intellectual, emotional, and spiritual reality."


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Not sure there is much more I could add to that,...imagine that :)


I do like the phrase highlighted in yellow above, for while foundations, channels and forms have their place in the progress of 'socialized religion', those 'channels' are just that, serving as instruments of true religion, but they are not the 'river' (the Spirit of life) itself. As the 'channels' properly serve the spirit and soul of man, are they fit to enrich and empower the heart.


pj
 

freelight

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Personality-potential, free will and divine providence......

Personality-potential, free will and divine providence......

(1301.4) 118:7.7 Subpersonal living things indicate mind activating energy-matter, first as physical controllers, and then as adjutant mind-spirits. Personality endowment comes from the Father and imparts unique prerogatives of choice to the living system. But if personality has the prerogative of exercising volitional choice of reality identification, and if this is a true and free choice, then must evolving personality also have the possible choice of becoming self-confusing, self-disrupting, and self-destroying. The possibility of cosmic self-destruction cannot be avoided if the evolving personality is to be truly free in the exercise of finite will.

(1301.5) 118:7.8 Therefore is there increased safety in narrowing the limits of personality choice throughout the lower levels of existence. Choice becomes increasingly liberated as the universes are ascended; choice eventually approximates divine freedom when the ascending personality achieves divinity of status, supremacy of consecration to the purposes of the universe, completion of cosmic-wisdom attainment, and finality of creature identification with the will and the way of God.

Superlative synopsis of the papers conception of the sovereignty of individual free will, which can choose 'life' or 'death' in their full potential and finalization. This would also correlate to the papers survey of individual free will and divine providence which has aspects similar to 'open view theology' held my many of the Christians on this site. I would recommend Paper 118 (Supreme and Ultimate — Time and Space) for those interested to see how the Urantia Papers agree with and differ in certain respects from 'Open View Theism'. Sadly many of the nay-sayers are clueless of the contents of the papers, and how they correlate and coordinate the many schools of knowledge synthesizing them within the greater cosmic university of revealed truth.

Paper 118 -

1. Time and Eternity
2. Omnipresence and Ubiquity
3. Time-Space Relationships
4. Primary and Secondary Causation
5. Omnipotence and Compossibility
6. Omnipotence and Omnificence
7. Omniscience and Predestination
8. Control and Overcontrol
9. Universe Mechanisms
10. Functions of Providence

Paper 118 - Supreme and Ultimate - Time and Space






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Aimiel

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You can go around in circles forming every opinion using bible texts. The fact is, the conclusion is, all the opinions, an options are stored in bible texts. How on earth, period, you cannot an should not us bible texts as complete an utter. You Muslim law books stashed in their to trip you. An before you know it, you observe it, an it moves in an takes foot. Because the bible said so...
Thank God!!! He said so. That's perfect! His Word abides in me and I abide in His Word. His Words are Life and Spirit.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Without spirit we are nothing. Without life we are dead. Thank God for His Word. Without It we'd follow gobbledy-gook like the crap you find in the Urantia Papers. It just doesn't fly. It doesn't even crawl, it's just dead without any hope of ever coming to life. There's no life or spirit in the UB, just death.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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You can go around in circles forming every opinion using bible texts. The fact is, the conclusion is, all the opinions, an options are stored in bible texts. How on earth, period, you cannot an should not us bible texts as complete an utter. You Muslim law books stashed in their to trip you. An before you know it, you observe it, an it moves in an takes foot. Because the bible said so...

Well, you certainly sound like someone who's just swallowed
one GIGANTIC bitter pill! The Bible was inspired by God, and
just because you and your ilk don't believe it, doesn't nullify
the Holy message in it! It's your choice to accept it or not!

At least in the end analysis you can't say you weren't exposed
to the message therefore, you won't have any excuses!
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Not sure there is much more I could add to that,...imagine that :)

Imagine if the writers of the 'urantia papers' had only stuck with
the Scriptures instead of the fiction that is, the urantia book?

They might have heard the message, placed their faith in that
message (Christ) and received eternal life?

Just imagine that?
 

Caino

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Imagine if the writers of the 'urantia papers' had only stuck with
the Scriptures instead of the fiction that is, the urantia book?

They might have heard the message, placed their faith in that
message (Christ) and received eternal life?

Just imagine that?

Jesus (Christ Michael) didn't stick with the limitations of the OT scripture, he had more to say which changed everything that his followers from Judaism and other religions thought.

Now the UB weeds out and changes the many errors of evolved Christianity.

Jesus sent the accurate records of his life and the evolutionary history of the earth as sect divided Christianity is dying.
 

Caino

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Knowledge, Wisdom, and Insight

(1121.3) 102:3.1 Intellectual deficiency or educational poverty unavoidably handicaps higher religious attainment because such an impoverished environment of the spiritual nature robs religion of its chief channel of philosophic contact with the world of scientific knowledge. The intellectual factors of religion are important, but their overdevelopment is likewise sometimes very handicapping and embarrassing. Religion must continually labor under a paradoxical necessity: the necessity of making effective use of thought while at the same time discounting the spiritual serviceableness of all thinking.

(1121.4) 102:3.2 Religious speculation is inevitable but always detrimental; speculation invariably falsifies its object. Speculation tends to translate religion into something material or humanistic, and thus, while directly interfering with the clarity of logical thought, it indirectly causes religion to appear as a function of the temporal world, the very world with which it should everlastingly stand in contrast. Therefore will religion always be characterized by paradoxes, the paradoxes resulting from the absence of the experiential connection between the material and the spiritual levels of the universe — morontia mota, the superphilosophic sensitivity for truth discernment and unity perception.

(1121.5) 102:3.3 Material feelings, human emotions, lead directly to material actions, selfish acts. Religious insights, spiritual motivations, lead directly to religious actions, unselfish acts of social service and altruistic benevolence.

(1121.6) 102:3.4 Religious desire is the hunger quest for divine reality. Religious experience is the realization of the consciousness of having found God. And when a human being does find God, there is experienced within the soul of that being such an indescribable restlessness of triumph in discovery that he is impelled to seek loving service-contact with his less illuminated fellows, not to disclose that he has found God, but rather to allow the overflow of the welling-up of eternal goodness within his own soul to refresh and ennoble his fellows. Real religion leads to increased social service.

(1122.1) 102:3.5 Science, knowledge, leads to fact consciousness; religion, experience, leads to value consciousness; philosophy, wisdom, leads to co-ordinate consciousness; revelation (the substitute for morontia mota) leads to the consciousness of true reality; while the co-ordination of the consciousness of fact, value, and true reality constitutes awareness of personality reality, maximum of being, together with the belief in the possibility of the survival of that very personality.*

(1122.2) 102:3.6 Knowledge leads to placing men, to originating social strata and castes. Religion leads to serving men, thus creating ethics and altruism. Wisdom leads to the higher and better fellowship of both ideas and one’s fellows. Revelation liberates men and starts them out on the eternal adventure.

(1122.3) 102:3.7 Science sorts men; religion loves men, even as yourself; wisdom does justice to differing men; but revelation glorifies man and discloses his capacity for partnership with God.

(1122.4) 102:3.8 Science vainly strives to create the brotherhood of culture; religion brings into being the brotherhood of the spirit. Philosophy strives for the brotherhood of wisdom; revelation portrays the eternal brotherhood, the Paradise Corps of the Finality.

(1122.5) 102:3.9 Knowledge yields pride in the fact of personality; wisdom is the consciousness of the meaning of personality; religion is the experience of cognizance of the value of personality; revelation is the assurance of personality survival.

(1122.6) 102:3.10 Science seeks to identify, analyze, and classify the segmented parts of the limitless cosmos. Religion grasps the idea-of-the-whole, the entire cosmos. Philosophy attempts the identification of the material segments of science with the spiritual-insight concept of the whole. Wherein philosophy fails in this attempt, revelation succeeds, affirming that the cosmic circle is universal, eternal, absolute, and infinite. This cosmos of the Infinite I AM is therefore endless, limitless, and all-inclusive — timeless, spaceless, and unqualified. And we bear testimony that the Infinite I AM is also the Father of Michael of Nebadon and the God of human salvation.

(1122.7) 102:3.11 Science indicates Deity as a fact; philosophy presents the idea of an Absolute; religion envisions God as a loving spiritual personality. Revelation affirms the unity of the fact of Deity, the idea of the Absolute, and the spiritual personality of God and, further, presents this concept as our Father — the universal fact of existence, the eternal idea of mind, and the infinite spirit of life.*

(1122.8) 102:3.12 The pursuit of knowledge constitutes science; the search for wisdom is philosophy; the love for God is religion; the hunger for truth is a revelation. But it is the indwelling Thought Adjuster that attaches the feeling of reality to man’s spiritual insight into the cosmos.

(1122.9) 102:3.13 In science, the idea precedes the expression of its realization; in religion, the experience of realization precedes the expression of the idea. There is a vast difference between the evolutionary will-to-believe and the product of enlightened reason, religious insight, and revelation — the will that believes.

(1122.10) 102:3.14 In evolution, religion often leads to man’s creating his concepts of God; revelation exhibits the phenomenon of God’s evolving man himself, while in the earth life of Christ Michael we behold the phenomenon of God’s revealing himself to man. Evolution tends to make God manlike; revelation tends to make man Godlike.

(1122.11) 102:3.15 Science is only satisfied with first causes, religion with supreme personality, and philosophy with unity. Revelation affirms that these three are one, and that all are good. The eternal real is the good of the universe and not the time illusions of space evil. In the spiritual experience of all personalities, always is it true that the real is the good and the good is the real. UB 1955
 
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