The Justification of the Ungodly, Romans 4:5

[Robert Pate]

Pate argues that the solution to the sins issue, is not Christ dying for our sins, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, to blot out/wipe out/pay for the sin debt, both past/future, "man's IOU" for breaking the good, holy, spiritual law of God, per Paul, in Romans 7, which Paul asserts is not void, as the problem is not with man, but with the God's law, as he asserts that it is not perfect, it is not good, it is not holy, it is not just, it is not spiritual, as it is the law, that is contrary/against us, according to Pate, those troublesome prohibitions against murder, rape, sodomy, theft, adultery, lying......and not the sin debt/IOU that is contrary to/against us; Again, Pate denies that the sin debt/IOU is contrary/ against us, as He asserts that God's laws against murder, lying, rape, sodomy, theft, adultery,......................................are contrary/against us, are not for our benefit, are not good, not holy, not spiritual; His "solution" is for the LORD God to destroy/abolish/make void the law, so there is no offense to break, in the future, not Christ dying for our sins, He paying the debt/IOU for us, in our place.



Thus, Pate, on record, asserts that Christ died in vain, there was no reason to die, as He did not need to die to pay our IOU/sin debt, as all the LORD God had to do, was destroy/abolish/make void/eliminate the law, so there would not be a sin debt/IOU. Thus, he then,like the devil attempts to ...

Delete "the handwriting of ordinances" of Colossians 2:14 KJV, replacing it with "law/ordinances," thus perverting, corrupting the scriptures, making it look like Paul says that Christ blotted out, made void, the law/ordinances, making it look like Paul is saying that the law/ordinances are contrary/against us, not for our benefit, instead of Paul saying that the sin debt/IOU was blotted out, as that is what is contrary to us, against us, as Paul asserts that the law is perfect, good, holy, just, spiritual, not void, in Romans 11, and the problem is with man, and the sin debt/IOU for breaking a good, holy, spiritual law, not the law itself.



Pate says the opposite, asserting that the problem is with the law, as it is not prefect/good/holy/spiritual,as he asserts that it causes us to sin, as it is sin, and the problem is not with man/him, and he asserts that the solution is to assert that Christ came to destroy/abolish/blot out the law, not to die for man's breaking the good, holy, spiritual, law of God.



The "secular" example of Pate's "reasoning::



Pate gets a speeding ticket. He goes to court, and, in front of the judge...



Pate:Judge, I demand that you abolish/destroy the law against speeding. It is not a good law, because I/others cannot keep it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!This law is not for my benefit, or society's-it is contrary to/against me/society!!!!!!!!!! Abolish it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!And, if you do not abolish it, it automatically condemns me, judges me, as guilty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





The judge: No, the laws are good, and are for everyone's benefit, including yours. They are not against you, are not contrary to you, they are not against society, they are not contrary to society, -they stand. The problem is with you/others breaking these good laws, and the debt you/others must pay for these offenses(sins) you committed. That is what is contrary to/against you/others. Pay the fine. The law cannot condemn you, just because it is in place.



Pate: No!!!!! Abolish the law!!!!!!!



The judge: Either pay the fine, or go to jail-the law stands.



Pate: No!!!!The laws are not good-they are the problem, not me!!!!





Benevolent, gracious judge: Tell you what, Pate. Someone just paid your fine/debt/IOU(sin, offense, transgression) on your behalf. Justice is served. You are free to go(Christ died for our sins....paying the sin debt, IOU)



Pate: No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That person need not have paid my fine/debt!!!!!(Christ need not die to pay the sin debt/IOU). The solution is to abolish, destroy, make void, the laws against speeding(fill in the blank), so that we will not have to "do" these laws, obey them, and the solution is not the fine being satisfied(Christ-propitiation)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Benevolent, gracious judge: Lock up this man for dementia, contempt of court, lunacy-put him in a straight jacket.


And now, in wickedness, attempt to delete Genesis-John. You will lose, demon:

Matthew 24:35 KJV Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.



1 Peter KJV
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

No doubt about it, you need the law, 1 Timothy 1:9.

 

[john w]

No doubt about it, you need the law, 1 Timothy 1:9.

Spam. And that is all this demon has, as he says that to everyone, and when shown scripture, he deletes it,adds words to it, removes verses preceding the scripture he just spams, and after it, posting verses in isolation, and deletes 3/4 of the book.

You Christ rejecting, bible hating demon.

Devil child Pate asserts, on record, that the Saviour did not die for our sin debt/IOU, paying our debt, in our place, as the solution, and, instead, asserts, on record, that this "Jesus" is an incompetent, impotent fool,UNABLE TO DIE FOR ALL OF OUR SINS, future sins, as is God the Father, for even sending Him to die, as devil child Pate's "solution" to the sin/sins problem, is to eliminate the law that defines the sin/transgression, thus, "presto," there is no offense/transgression/sin for which to die, instead of the Saviour dying for our future sin debt. Do you all "get that," TOL audience? That, in simple terms, is this satanist "argument," breaking it down. Again, Pate asserts that the solution to the sin/sins issue, is not that the Saviour died for our sin debt in the future, which is contrary to us, for breaking the LORD God's perfect,good, holy,just, spiritual law, and a reflection of His character to both the saved and lost, and not that we are the problem, but the problem is with the law, as it is not perfect, it is not good, it is not holy, it is not spiritual, as laws against murder, rape, lying, stealing......are all contrary to us, so, instead of the Saviour dying in our place, to satisfy the debt/IOU, abolish the law, so that there is no offense/transgression/sin for which He should die, and thus abolish the Saviour's work, as Pate asserts that the Saviour DID NOT DIE FOR OUR FUTURE SINS, SHOULD NOT HAVE TO DIE, for our future sins/sin debt. Thus, Pate asserts he died in vain, for nothing, as his "solution" is to abolish/eliminate/destroy/make void the law, so that there is no future sin/transgression/offense, and associated/corresponding wage/sin debt to be paid for.

Again-Pate-Christ died in vain.

 

[john w]

You have rejected the Gospel and justification by faith.

The law is not going to save you. The purpose of the law is to judge and condemn.

"By the works of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin" Romans 3:20.

Hang on to that law.

You are trying to use Old Testament scripture to make your point. There is a problem with that. The Old Testament along with the Old Covenant have been abolished.

The above will send you packing to hell demon....


John 5:39 KJV Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, to prevent this "Jesus" from being known!!


Romans 3:21 KJV
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, including the law, since it testifies to the righteousness of God without the law, and I need to prevent this teaching, on orders from my daddy the devil.



Luke 24:44 KJV And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.


Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, to prevent this "Jesus" from being known!!

Psalm 40:7 KJV Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, to prevent this "Jesus" from being known!!

 

[john w]

No doubt about it, you need the law, 1 Timothy 1:9.

You are trying to use Old Testament scripture to make your point. There is a problem with that. The Old Testament along with the Old Covenant have been abolished.

The above will send you packing to hell demon....


John 5:39 KJV Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, to prevent this "Jesus" from being known!!


Romans 3:21 KJV
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, including the law, since it testifies to the righteousness of God without the law, and I need to prevent this teaching, on orders from my daddy the devil.



Luke 24:44 KJV And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.


Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, to prevent this "Jesus" from being known!!

Psalm 40:7 KJV Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, to prevent this "Jesus" from being known!!

 

[Robert Pate]

"But to him that does no works, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.

Who are the ungodly? If you are a human being born after Adam you are the ungodly, Romans 5:12.

How does Jesus justify the ungodly? Justification is not something that happens within the believer. Justification takes place totally and completely outside of the believer. All that is required of us is that we have faith in the doing and the dying of Jesus.

When were we justified? We were justified by Jesus Christ over 2000 years ago. After we were justified we were also reconciled to God, 2 Corinthians 5:18. Justification and reconciliation go hand in hand. No one can be reconciled to God without first being justified.

Justification is a legal word that is frequently used in a court of law. The word justify means to be made right or vindicated. To be declared guiltless. To be absolved from sin. I have heard it described as "just as though I had never sinned" But we know that all have sinned, Romans 3:23.

This act of being justified is ours by simple child like faith. There is no works or obedience required. Paul wrote,

"What shall we say then that Abraham our father as pertaining to the flesh, has found? For if Abraham were justified by works, he has whereof to glory: but not before God. For what does the scripture say? ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS COUNTED UNTO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS" Romans 4:1-3.

In the New Testament faith, not works or obedience counts for righteousness. This is very difficult for people that are religious to understand.

Jesus does the work of justifying the ungodly. In our name and on our behalf, Jesus offers to God the Father a life of perfect obedience according to his Holy Law, Matthew 5:18. It is this life that was lived for our justification, Romans 3:26. That was not enough. In our name and on our behalf Jesus, who knew no sin, became sin for us that we might be made the righteousness of God in him, 2 Corinthians 5:21.

God sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ. Jesus's acceptance into heaven is our acceptance, we are accepted in him. In Jesus Christ we have been justified, sanctified and redeemed, 1 Corinthians 1:30. We now stand before God's holy court as perfect and complete in Jesus Christ, Colossians 2:10. Fully and completely justified. No religion was needed.

 

[john w]

No doubt about it, you need the law, 1 Timothy 1:9.

You are trying to use Old Testament scripture to make your point. There is a problem with that. The Old Testament along with the Old Covenant have been abolished.

The above will send you packing to hell demon....


John 5:39 KJV Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, to prevent this "Jesus" from being known!!


Romans 3:21 KJV
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, including the law, since it testifies to the righteousness of God without the law, and I need to prevent this teaching, on orders from my daddy the devil.



Luke 24:44 KJV And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.


Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, to prevent this "Jesus" from being known!!

Psalm 40:7 KJV Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, to prevent this "Jesus" from being known!!

You are trying to use Old Testament scripture to make your point. There is a problem with that. The Old Testament along with the Old Covenant have been abolished.

1 Corinthians 10 KJV

11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.




Romans 15 KJV


4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.



No, no, no, Paul!!!!!!!You are trying to use Old Testament scripture to make your point. There is a problem with that. The Old Testament along with the Old Covenant have been abolished, Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!!.And no, Paul, the things that happened to others in the Old Testament for examples, for our admonition, and those things written for our learning in the Old Testament, to teach us patience, and provide us hope, do not!!!!!!!!!They no longer exists, as the Old Testament scriptures have been abolished!!!!!



http://www.freewebs.com/thywordis/PAUL QUOTES THE OT.htm


You wicked bible hater/deleter.

 

[Robert Pate]

"But to him that does no works, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.

Who are the ungodly? If you are a human being born after Adam you are the ungodly, Romans 5:12.

How does Jesus justify the ungodly? Justification is not something that happens within the believer. Justification takes place totally and completely outside of the believer. All that is required of us is that we have faith in the doing and the dying of Jesus.

When were we justified? We were justified by Jesus Christ over 2000 years ago. After we were justified we were also reconciled to God, 2 Corinthians 5:18. Justification and reconciliation go hand in hand. No one can be reconciled to God without first being justified.

Justification is a legal word that is frequently used in a court of law. The word justify means to be made right or vindicated. To be declared guiltless. To be absolved from sin. I have heard it described as "just as though I had never sinned" But we know that all have sinned, Romans 3:23.

This act of being justified is ours by simple child like faith. There is no works or obedience required. Paul wrote,

"What shall we say then that Abraham our father as pertaining to the flesh, has found? For if Abraham were justified by works, he has whereof to glory: but not before God. For what does the scripture say? ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS COUNTED UNTO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS" Romans 4:1-3.

In the New Testament faith, not works or obedience counts for righteousness. This is very difficult for people that are religious to understand.

Jesus does the work of justifying the ungodly. In our name and on our behalf, Jesus offers to God the Father a life of perfect obedience according to his Holy Law, Matthew 5:18. It is this life that was lived for our justification, Romans 3:26. That was not enough. In our name and on our behalf Jesus, who knew no sin, became sin for us that we might be made the righteousness of God in him, 2 Corinthians 5:21.

God sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ. Jesus's acceptance into heaven is our acceptance, we are accepted in him. In Jesus Christ we have been justified, sanctified and redeemed, 1 Corinthians 1:30. We now stand before God's holy court as perfect and complete in Jesus Christ, Colossians 2:10. Fully and completely justified. No religion was needed.

 

[john w]

No doubt about it, you need the law, 1 Timothy 1:9.

You are trying to use Old Testament scripture to make your point. There is a problem with that. The Old Testament along with the Old Covenant have been abolished.

The above will send you packing to hell demon....


John 5:39 KJV Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, to prevent this "Jesus" from being known!!


Romans 3:21 KJV
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, including the law, since it testifies to the righteousness of God without the law, and I need to prevent this teaching, on orders from my daddy the devil.



Luke 24:44 KJV And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.


Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, to prevent this "Jesus" from being known!!

Psalm 40:7 KJV Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, to prevent this "Jesus" from being known!!

You are trying to use Old Testament scripture to make your point. There is a problem with that. The Old Testament along with the Old Covenant have been abolished.

1 Corinthians 10 KJV

11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.




Romans 15 KJV


4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.



No, no, no, Paul!!!!!!!You are trying to use Old Testament scripture to make your point. There is a problem with that. The Old Testament along with the Old Covenant have been abolished, Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!!.And no, Paul, the things that happened to others in the Old Testament for examples, for our admonition, and those things written for our learning in the Old Testament, to teach us patience, and provide us hope, do not!!!!!!!!!They no longer exists, as the Old Testament scriptures have been abolished!!!!!



http://www.freewebs.com/thywordis/PAUL QUOTES THE OT.htm


You wicked bible hater/deleter.

 

[Robert Pate]

The Old Testament is a record of man's inability to please a Holy God. Right from the get go man sins against his creator and is alienated from God.

The Old Testament is about how God brings forth a nation and a people from whom the savior of the world would come. Seeing that the savior has come and gone, it is now nothing but a history book.

The Old Covenant that contained the law, is decaying away, Hebrews 8:13.

If you need the Old Covenant and the law, it is because you don't have Christ.

 

[john w]

The Old Testament is a record of man's inability to please a Holy God. Right from the get go man sins against his creator and is alienated from God.

The Old Testament is about how God brings forth a nation and a people from whom the savior of the world would come. Seeing that the savior has come and gone, it is now nothing but a history book.

The Old Covenant that contained the law, is decaying away, Hebrews 8:13.

If you need the Old Covenant and the law, it is because you don't have Christ.

You wicked, satanic bible deleter, and stuff your "need" "argument," spin, changing the subject,you devious little devil, as you assert that the OT NO LONGER EXISTS/IS ABOLISHED, and tell Paul, who used the OT to testify to the Christ,to testify to the righteousness of God w/o the law, to testify to God's perfect, holy, good, just, spiritual character, to let the lost know what sin is, to lead them to Christ, as a schoolmaster, go to h, Paul, and don't use the OT-it no longer exists-it was abolished!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





The above will send you packing to hell demon....


John 5:39 KJV Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, to prevent this "Jesus" from being known!!


Romans 3:21 KJV
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, including the law, since it testifies to the righteousness of God without the law, and I need to prevent this teaching, on orders from my daddy the devil.



Luke 24:44 KJV And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.


Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, to prevent this "Jesus" from being known!!

Psalm 40:7 KJV Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, to prevent this "Jesus" from being known!!







1 Corinthians 10 KJV

11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.




Romans 15 KJV


4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.



No, no, no, Paul!!!!!!!You are trying to use Old Testament scripture to make your point. There is a problem with that. The Old Testament along with the Old Covenant have been abolished, Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!!.And no, Paul, the things that happened to others in the Old Testament for examples, for our admonition, and those things written for our learning in the Old Testament, to teach us patience, and provide us hope, do not!!!!!!!!!They no longer exists, as the Old Testament scriptures have been abolished!!!!!



http://www.freewebs.com/thywordis/PAUL QUOTES THE OT.htm


You wicked bible hater/deleter.

 

[Robert Pate]

You wicked, satanic bible deleter, and stuff your "need" "argument," spin, changing the subject,you devious little devil, as you assert that the OT NO LONGER EXISTS/IS ABOLISHED, and tell Paul, who used the OT to testify to the Christ,to testify to the righteousness of God w/o the law, to testify to God's perfect, holy, good, just, spiritual character, to let the lost know what sin is, to lead them to Christ, as a schoolmaster, go to h, Paul, and don't use the OT-it no longer exists-it was abolished!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





The above will send you packing to hell demon....


John 5:39 KJV Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, to prevent this "Jesus" from being known!!


Romans 3:21 KJV
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, including the law, since it testifies to the righteousness of God without the law, and I need to prevent this teaching, on orders from my daddy the devil.



Luke 24:44 KJV And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.


Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, to prevent this "Jesus" from being known!!

Psalm 40:7 KJV Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, to prevent this "Jesus" from being known!!







1 Corinthians 10 KJV

11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.




Romans 15 KJV


4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.



No, no, no, Paul!!!!!!!You are trying to use Old Testament scripture to make your point. There is a problem with that. The Old Testament along with the Old Covenant have been abolished, Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!!.And no, Paul, the things that happened to others in the Old Testament for examples, for our admonition, and those things written for our learning in the Old Testament, to teach us patience, and provide us hope, do not!!!!!!!!!They no longer exists, as the Old Testament scriptures have been abolished!!!!!



http://www.freewebs.com/thywordis/PAUL QUOTES THE OT.htm


You wicked bible hater/deleter.

I'll bet that the "W" in your last name stands for Weinstien. You are more Jewish in your doctrine than you are Christian.

 

[john w]

I'll bet that the "W" in your last name stands for Weinstien. You are more Jewish in your doctrine than you are Christian.

That is all this satanist, hater ofthescriptures has.

The Old Testament is just what it is, old.

Catch that irrelevant slop? So are you, so is the universe, so is the NYT, so are scriptures.

And? You demonic drunk.

Paul gleaned the Old Testament for scriptures that pertained to Jesus and left the rest.

No, you satanic moron, Paul quoted extensively in his teachings, re. the Christ, and magnified the OT, had utmost respect for it, just like His boss; you, in contrast, spit at the OT, 3/4 of the book, absolutely hate it, detest it, and are attempting to abolish it, a devious attempt, that is from satan, not the LORD God.

No, no, no, Paul!!!!!!!You are trying to use Old Testament scripture to make your point. There is a problem with that. The Old Testament along with the Old Covenant have been abolished, Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!!.And no, Paul, the things that happened to others in the Old Testament for examples, for our admonition, and those things written for our learning in the Old Testament, to teach us patience, and provide us hope, do not!!!!!!!!!They no longer exists, as the Old Testament scriptures have been abolished!!!!!



http://www.freewebs.com/thywordis/PAUL QUOTES THE OT.htm

We now have a New Testament, because the Old Testament is now nothing but history.

=More satanic assertions, for all of TOL to witness.

If you need the Old Covenant and the law it is because you don't have Jesus. Jesus is the end and the fulfillment of the Old Testament, the law and the Jewish religion.Jesus is the New Covenant.

The satanist, to Paul:If you need the Old Covenant and the law,Paul, it is because you don't have Jesus. Stuff your false dichotomy of "need," devious one; "need" has nothing to do with it, as you flip the bird at the LORD God, asserting, in blasphemy against Him, that you do not "need" the OT to witness/testify to the Lord Jesus Christ/the righteousness of God w/o the law,to God's character,to prophecy, to what sin is to lead them to the Saviour....................................and shout at Him, "No, God!!!! The OT is abolished, history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

You devil boy, false accuser.


And no scripture asserts that "Jesus is the New covenant," as that is another one of your fabricated spams, like "Jesus is the New Adam," idiot, so stuff your "Pate-ism"'s that have no basis in the book, and no scripture asserts that because the Lord Jesus Christ fulfilled the law and the prophets, he then destroyed/abolished them, as you, through your daddy devil, proclaim, with joy, and hate.

If you think that I am wrong you should be praying for me. I am praying for you. You should be praying that the Lord will open our eyes to the truth. Instead, you ridicule and call people names. That is not the Christian thing to do.

Save it-the LORD God hears not the prayers of sinners, children of the devil, such as yourself. And I call wolves, like yourself, names, not Christians. So what's your point? Rhetorical q.



Observe, the deception, as the devil child changes the subject, in misdirection, deceit,from Him satanically asserting that the OT/OC have been abolished, no longer existing,, to "If you need the Old Covenant and the law it is because you don't have Jesus.

The Old Testament is a record of man's inability to please a Holy God. Right from the get go man sins against his creator and is alienated from God.

The Old Testament is about how God brings forth a nation and a people from whom the savior of the world would come. Seeing that the savior has come and gone, it is now nothing but a history book.

The Old Covenant that contained the law, is decaying away, Hebrews 8:13.

If you need the Old Covenant and the law, it is because you don't have Christ.

You wicked, satanic bible deleter, and stuff your "need" "argument," spin, changing the subject,you devious little devil, as you assert that the OT NO LONGER EXISTS/IS ABOLISHED, and tell Paul, who used the OT to testify to the Christ,to testify to the righteousness of God w/o the law, to testify to God's perfect, holy, good, just, spiritual character, to let the lost know what sin is, to lead them to Christ, as a schoolmaster, go to h, Paul, and don't use the OT-it no longer exists-it was abolished!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are trying to use Old Testament scripture to make your point. There is a problem with that. The Old Testament along with the Old Covenant have been abolished.

The above will send you packing to hell demon....


John 5:39 KJV Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, to prevent this "Jesus" from being known!!


Romans 3:21 KJV
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, including the law, since it testifies to the righteousness of God without the law, and I need to prevent this teaching, on orders from my daddy the devil.



Luke 24:44 KJV And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.


Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, to prevent this "Jesus" from being known!!

Psalm 40:7 KJV Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, to prevent this "Jesus" from being known!!

You are trying to use Old Testament scripture to make your point. There is a problem with that. The Old Testament along with the Old Covenant have been abolished.

1 Corinthians 10 KJV

11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.




Romans 15 KJV


4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.



No, no, no, Paul!!!!!!!You are trying to use Old Testament scripture to make your point. There is a problem with that. The Old Testament along with the Old Covenant have been abolished, Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!!.And no, Paul, the things that happened to others in the Old Testament for examples, for our admonition, and those things written for our learning in the Old Testament, to teach us patience, and provide us hope, do not!!!!!!!!!They no longer exists, as the Old Testament scriptures have been abolished!!!!!



http://www.freewebs.com/thywordis/PAUL QUOTES THE OT.htm


You wicked bible hater/deleter.



For all of TOL, to witness, again-the satanic assertions of Pate:

You are trying to use Old Testament scripture to make your point. There is a problem with that. The Old Testament along with the Old Covenant have been abolished....the Old Testament is now nothing but history..

 

[john w]

I'll bet that the "W" in your last name stands for Weinstien. You are more Jewish in your doctrine than you are Christian.

For all of TOL, to witness, again-the satanic assertions of Pate:

You are trying to use Old Testament scripture to make your point. There is a problem with that. The Old Testament along with the Old Covenant have been abolished....the Old Testament is now nothing but history..

 

[Robert Pate]

You and the Pharisees have a lot in common. Like you, they made the law their Jesus. They said that the law was the way, the truth and the life and was the light that lightens every man. John took what the Pharisees said about the law and applied it to Jesus.

 

[john w]

You and the Pharisees have a lot in common. Like you, they made the law their Jesus. They said that the law was the way, the truth and the life and was the light that lightens every man. John took what the Pharisees said about the law and applied it to Jesus.

You spam that to everyone, you bible hater.

What law would that be, demon? You've deleted 3/4 of the bible.

The Lord Jesus Christ never talked like you do, satanist, in your disdain for the law. You talk like satan. He talks like you.

For all of TOL, to witness, again-the satanic assertions of Pate:

You are trying to use Old Testament scripture to make your point. There is a problem with that. The Old Testament along with the Old Covenant have been abolished....the Old Testament is now nothing but history..

 

[Robert Pate]

You spam that to everyone, you bible hater.

What law would that be, demon? You've deleted 3/4 of the bible.

The Lord Jesus Christ never talked like you do, satanist, in your disdain for the law. You talk like satan. He talks like you.

For all of TOL, to witness, again-the satanic assertions of Pate:

You are under the law and will be judged by the law. You are a Gospel rejecter and are without hope.

 

[john w]

You are under the law and will be judged by the law. You are a Gospel rejecter and are without hope.

You spam that to everyone, you bible hater.

What law would that be, demon? You've deleted 3/4 of the bible.

The Lord Jesus Christ never talked like you do, satanist, in your disdain for the law. You talk like satan. He talks like you.

For all of TOL, to witness, again-the satanic assertions of Pate:

The Old Testament is just what it is, old.

Catch that irrelevant slop? So are you, so is the universe, so is the NYT, so are scriptures.

And? You demonic drunk.

Paul gleaned the Old Testament for scriptures that pertained to Jesus and left the rest.

No, you satanic moron, Paul quoted extensively in his teachings, re. the Christ, and magnified the OT, had utmost respect for it, just like His boss; you, in contrast, spit at the OT, 3/4 of the book, absolutely hate it, detest it, and are attempting to abolish it, a devious attempt, that is from satan, not the LORD God.

No, no, no, Paul!!!!!!!You are trying to use Old Testament scripture to make your point. There is a problem with that. The Old Testament along with the Old Covenant have been abolished, Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!!.And no, Paul, the things that happened to others in the Old Testament for examples, for our admonition, and those things written for our learning in the Old Testament, to teach us patience, and provide us hope, do not!!!!!!!!!They no longer exists, as the Old Testament scriptures have been abolished!!!!!



http://www.freewebs.com/thywordis/PAUL QUOTES THE OT.htm

We now have a New Testament, because the Old Testament is now nothing but history.

=More satanic assertions, for all of TOL to witness.

If you need the Old Covenant and the law it is because you don't have Jesus. Jesus is the end and the fulfillment of the Old Testament, the law and the Jewish religion.Jesus is the New Covenant.

The satanist, to Paul:If you need the Old Covenant and the law,Paul, it is because you don't have Jesus. Stuff your false dichotomy of "need," devious one; "need" has nothing to do with it, as you flip the bird at the LORD God, asserting, in blasphemy against Him, that you do not "need" the OT to witness/testify to the Lord Jesus Christ/the righteousness of God w/o the law,to God's character,to prophecy, to what sin is to lead them to the Saviour....................................and shout at Him, "No, God!!!! The OT is abolished, history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

You devil boy, false accuser.


And no scripture asserts that "Jesus is the New covenant," as that is another one of your fabricated spams, like "Jesus is the New Adam," idiot, so stuff your "Pate-ism"'s that have no basis in the book, and no scripture asserts that because the Lord Jesus Christ fulfilled the law and the prophets, he then destroyed/abolished them, as you, through your daddy devil, proclaim, with joy, and hate.

If you think that I am wrong you should be praying for me. I am praying for you. You should be praying that the Lord will open our eyes to the truth. Instead, you ridicule and call people names. That is not the Christian thing to do.

Save it-the LORD God hears not the prayers of sinners, children of the devil, such as yourself. And I call wolves, like yourself, names, not Christians. So what's your point? Rhetorical q.



Observe, the deception, as the devil child changes the subject, in misdirection, deceit,from Him satanically asserting that the OT/OC have been abolished, no longer existing,, to "If you need the Old Covenant and the law it is because you don't have Jesus.

The Old Testament is a record of man's inability to please a Holy God. Right from the get go man sins against his creator and is alienated from God.

The Old Testament is about how God brings forth a nation and a people from whom the savior of the world would come. Seeing that the savior has come and gone, it is now nothing but a history book.

The Old Covenant that contained the law, is decaying away, Hebrews 8:13.

If you need the Old Covenant and the law, it is because you don't have Christ.

You wicked, satanic bible deleter, and stuff your "need" "argument," spin, changing the subject,you devious little devil, as you assert that the OT NO LONGER EXISTS/IS ABOLISHED, and tell Paul, who used the OT to testify to the Christ,to testify to the righteousness of God w/o the law, to testify to God's perfect, holy, good, just, spiritual character, to let the lost know what sin is, to lead them to Christ, as a schoolmaster, go to h, Paul, and don't use the OT-it no longer exists-it was abolished!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are trying to use Old Testament scripture to make your point. There is a problem with that. The Old Testament along with the Old Covenant have been abolished.

The above will send you packing to hell demon....


John 5:39 KJV Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, to prevent this "Jesus" from being known!!


Romans 3:21 KJV
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, including the law, since it testifies to the righteousness of God without the law, and I need to prevent this teaching, on orders from my daddy the devil.



Luke 24:44 KJV And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.


Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, to prevent this "Jesus" from being known!!

Psalm 40:7 KJV Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Pate: To h with you, God-I will attempt to delete 3/4 of scriptures, to prevent this "Jesus" from being known!!

You are trying to use Old Testament scripture to make your point. There is a problem with that. The Old Testament along with the Old Covenant have been abolished.

1 Corinthians 10 KJV

11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.




Romans 15 KJV


4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.



No, no, no, Paul!!!!!!!You are trying to use Old Testament scripture to make your point. There is a problem with that. The Old Testament along with the Old Covenant have been abolished, Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!!.And no, Paul, the things that happened to others in the Old Testament for examples, for our admonition, and those things written for our learning in the Old Testament, to teach us patience, and provide us hope, do not!!!!!!!!!They no longer exists, as the Old Testament scriptures have been abolished!!!!!



http://www.freewebs.com/thywordis/PAUL QUOTES THE OT.htm


You wicked bible hater/deleter.



For all of TOL, to witness, again-the satanic assertions of Pate:

You are trying to use Old Testament scripture to make your point. There is a problem with that. The Old Testament along with the Old Covenant have been abolished....the Old Testament is now nothing but history..

 

[john w]

You are under the law and will be judged by the law. You are a Gospel rejecter and are without hope.

Pate's demonic "logic:" If the laws of foreign countries are not abolished, US citizens are under them, and will be judged by them. If the US laws are not abolished, US citizens are not only under them, but automatically judged by them ads guilty.


You intoxicated demonic drunk.


I/others never said the law justifies, as you do, you filthy, satanic false accuser.And no, you reject the gospel of Christ, and justification by faith, perverting it, with your satanic, on record assertion, that the walk in the law of the Saviour justifies us, not the righteousness of God, which is testified to by the law, which explains why you, under orders from the devil, your father, attempt to abolish the law, the law that also which testifies to the Saviour, and thus assert that the Saviour died for nothing..

Pate's demon driven "logic:": If the law exists, everyone is automatically lost, since the Saviour did not die for us breaking the law, and thus owing a sin debt/wage.


You satanic pawn.

Reduced to sound bytes, as he, once again, confirms that he utterly detests the perfect, good, holy, just, spiritual law of God, which testifies to the righteousness of God, and His character, to the world, and flips the bird at God the Father, and His Christ, hating them, and their scriptures.

You wicked God hater, lover of the devil's schemes, to eliminate the Saviour, and the scriptures, the law, the prophets, that testify to HIM.





Devil child Pate asserts, on record, that the Saviour did not die for our sin debt/IOU, paying our debt, in our place, as the solution, and, instead, asserts, on record, that this "Jesus" is an incompetent, impotent fool,UNABLE TO DIE FOR ALL OF OUR SINS, future sins, as is God the Father, for even sending Him to die, as devil child Pate's "solution" to the sin/sins problem, is to eliminate the law that defines the sin/transgression, thus, "presto," there is no offense/transgression/sin for which to die, instead of the Saviour dying for our future sin debt. Do you all "get that," TOL audience? That, in simple terms, is this satanist "argument," breaking it down. Again, Pate asserts that the solution to the sin/sins issue, is not that the Saviour died for our sin debt in the future, which is contrary to us, for breaking the LORD God's perfect,good, holy,just, spiritual law, and a reflection of His character to both the saved and lost, and not that we are the problem, but the problem is with the law, as it is not perfect, it is not good, it is not holy, it is not spiritual, as laws against murder, rape, lying, stealing......are all contrary to us, so, instead of the Saviour dying in our place, to satisfy the debt/IOU, abolish the law, so that there is no offense/transgression/sin for which He should die, and thus abolish the Saviour's work, as Pate asserts that the Saviour DID NOT DIE FOR OUR FUTURE SINS, SHOULD NOT HAVE TO DIE, for our future sins/sin debt. Thus, Pate asserts he died in vain, for nothing, as his "solution" is to abolish/eliminate/destroy/make void the law, so that there is no future sin/transgression/offense, and associated/corresponding wage/sin debt to be paid for. Again-Pate-Christ died in vain.


Mayor STP:"It's not that complicated."

 

[john w]

You are under the law and will be judged by the law. You are a Gospel rejecter and are without hope.

Pate argues that the solution to the sins issue, is not Christ dying for our sins, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, to blot out/wipe out/pay for the sin debt, both past/future, "man's IOU" for breaking the good, holy, spiritual law of God, per Paul, in Romans 7, which Paul asserts is not void, as the problem is not with man, but with the God's law, as he asserts that it is not perfect, it is not good, it is not holy, it is not just, it is not spiritual, as it is the law, that is contrary/against us, according to Pate, those troublesome prohibitions against murder, rape, sodomy, theft, adultery, lying......and not the sin debt/IOU that is contrary to/against us; Again, Pate denies that the sin debt/IOU is contrary/ against us, as He asserts that God's laws against murder, lying, rape, sodomy, theft, adultery,......................................are contrary/against us, are not for our benefit, are not good, not holy, not spiritual; His "solution" is for the LORD God to destroy/abolish/make void the law, so there is no offense to break, in the future, not Christ dying for our sins, He paying the debt/IOU for us, in our place.



Thus, Pate, on record, asserts that Christ died in vain, there was no reason to die, as He did not need to die to pay our IOU/sin debt, as all the LORD God had to do, was destroy/abolish/make void/eliminate the law, so there would not be a sin debt/IOU. Thus, he then,like the devil attempts to ...

Delete "the handwriting of ordinances" of Colossians 2:14 KJV, replacing it with "law/ordinances," thus perverting, corrupting the scriptures, making it look like Paul says that Christ blotted out, made void, the law/ordinances, making it look like Paul is saying that the law/ordinances are contrary/against us, not for our benefit, instead of Paul saying that the sin debt/IOU was blotted out, as that is what is contrary to us, against us, as Paul asserts that the law is perfect, good, holy, just, spiritual, not void, in Romans 11, and the problem is with man, and the sin debt/IOU for breaking a good, holy, spiritual law, not the law itself.



Pate says the opposite, asserting that the problem is with the law, as it is not prefect/good/holy/spiritual,as he asserts that it causes us to sin, as it is sin, and the problem is not with man/him, and he asserts that the solution is to assert that Christ came to destroy/abolish/blot out the law, not to die for man's breaking the good, holy, spiritual, law of God.



The "secular" example of Pate's "reasoning::



Pate gets a speeding ticket. He goes to court, and, in front of the judge...



Pate:Judge, I demand that you abolish/destroy the law against speeding. It is not a good law, because I/others cannot keep it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!This law is not for my benefit, or society's-it is contrary to/against me/society!!!!!!!!!! Abolish it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!And, if you do not abolish it, it automatically condemns me, judges me, as guilty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





The judge: No, the laws are good, and are for everyone's benefit, including yours. They are not against you, are not contrary to you, they are not against society, they are not contrary to society, -they stand. The problem is with you/others breaking these good laws, and the debt you/others must pay for these offenses(sins) you committed. That is what is contrary to/against you/others. Pay the fine. The law cannot condemn you, just because it is in place.



Pate: No!!!!! Abolish the law!!!!!!!



The judge: Either pay the fine, or go to jail-the law stands.



Pate: No!!!!The laws are not good-they are the problem, not me!!!!





Benevolent, gracious judge: Tell you what, Pate. Someone just paid your fine/debt/IOU(sin, offense, transgression) on your behalf. Justice is served. You are free to go(Christ died for our sins....paying the sin debt, IOU)



Pate: No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That person need not have paid my fine/debt!!!!!(Christ need not die to pay the sin debt/IOU). The solution is to abolish, destroy, make void, the laws against speeding(fill in the blank), so that we will not have to "do" these laws, obey them, and the solution is not the fine being satisfied(Christ-propitiation)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Benevolent, gracious judge: Lock up this man for dementia, contempt of court, lunacy-put him in a straight jacket.


And now, in wickedness, attempt to delete Genesis-John. You will lose, demon:

Matthew 24:35 KJV Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.



1 Peter KJV
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

 

[john w]

Jeus fulfilled the law, and then abolished it...
You are trying to use Old Testament scripture to make your point. There is a problem with that. The Old Testament along with the Old Covenant have been abolished....the Old Testament is now nothing but history..

The feasts, "the appointed times," according to the law in Leviticus 23, The Old Covenant, The Old Testament

Leviticus 23 KJV

Passover-Fulfilled-The Lord Jesus Christ's death

verse 5



Unleavened bread-Fulfilled-The Lord Jesus Christ's burial

verse 6



Firstfruits -Fulfilled-The Lord Jesus Christ's Resurrection



verses 9-11





Weeks/Pentecost-Fulfilled in early Acts, with the outpouring of The Holy Spirit, "the promise of the Father"


verses 15-16



Trumpets/"Rosh HaShanah"



verses 23-25





Day of Atonement("the second time"-Acts 7:13 KJV, Hebrews 9:28 KJV)/"Yom Kippur"



verses 26-28



Tabernacles/"Sukkot"



verses 33-34, 42-43


Tell us, Pate, since you assert that "Jesus fulfilled the law, and then abolished the law, including the feasts contained within the law in Leviticus 23 KJV, and the entire OC/OT, when did He come back, the second time, to fulfill "The Fall Feasts," including the second coming? Where is the testimony of His return?