The Heretics Message to the World:Be Baptized to be Saved! (HOF thread)

[JustAChristian]

Why Is Baptism So Important

Why Is Baptism So Important

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT BAPTISM
Baptism is the point at which a person is united with Christ into His death and resurrection into "newness of life" (Rom 6:3)
There is only ONE recognized baptism. "One Lord, one faith, one baptism," (Eph 4:5)

There is not a spiritual baptism and a water baptism. The baptism recognized is the one instituted by Christ himself, which He said was in order to "fulfill ALL righteousness" (Mt 3:15). Even though Jesus was not baptized for the remission of sins, His baptism is the pattern for the baptism that is now recognized by God; one in which God becomes well-pleased in the one being baptized(Mt 3:17), one in which the Holy Spirit is received(Mt 3:16), one in which in its very form depicts the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus(Mt 3:16: "come UP straight way out of the WATER)--our baptism is validated by the events surrounding Christ's baptism.
Baptism is the point at which a person is IN CHRIST. We are joined to the Lord at this time. "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have PUT ON Christ." (Gal 3:27)

The apostle Peter ordered for converts in Cornelius' household to be baptized. "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." (Acts 10:47-48)
The apostle Paul commended the believers at Rome for their baptism "But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that FORM of doctrine which was delivered you."(Rom 6:17)

At Pentecost, in the midst of Peter's sermon, the adherents to his message were pricked in their hearts and asked Peter, "What shall we do?"--moved to repentance. "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38)

Baptism is not a "good work", meaning that in baptism I am trying to earn my salvation. Baptism is the response of faith. Faith ALWAYS obeys--the "obedience OF FAITH" (Rom 16:26). In Mt 28:18ff, Jesus called for the baptism of all believers, and every TRUE believer seeks to do what pleases Jesus. Baptism is the working of faith in submissive response to the command of Jesus.
Some may say, if baptism saves us, then what about the theif on the cross? This is a special acception. Believe me, if that thief could have come down from that cross to be baptized, he would have done so! Doctrines that shape our consideration of baptism can not be shaped around this single incident. If this was a pattern for sound theology than we might as well start teaching that every person who lies will die instantly, as Ananias and Sapphira did.

The bible says, concerning those who are interested in eternal life, "To them who BY PATIENT CONTINUANCE IN WELL DOING seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:"(Rom 2:7), and again, "For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, IF WE FAINT NOT." (Gal 6:8-9), and again, "And let ours also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they BE NOT UNFRUITFUL." (Titus 3:14), and again, "Every branch in me that BEARETH NOT FRUIT He(God, the Father) taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit." (John 15:2) People that "do no good works" as you put it, do not have a shred of evidence of being connected to Christ and the eternal purpose of God, for Eph 2:10 says "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." "Good works" in this sense are not works that earn salvation, but actions that are EVIDENCE of the working of salvation in a believer's life!--an important truth to see indeed!!


JustAChristian :angel:
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“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (2 Timothy 4:3-4 AV)

 

[HopeofGlory]

Spirit Baptism into Christ!

Spirit Baptism into Christ!

The ONE baptism of Ephesians is SPIRIT baptism.

For by ONE ""Spirit"" are we ""all baptized"" into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Cor. 12:13

Spirit baptism places us "into" the body of Christ.

We know there is only One baptism and it is not with water.

For John (Mark 1:4) truly baptized (under the law) with water; but (On the contrary) ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. Acts 1:5

And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: Phil. 3:9

When we are baptized by the Spirit into His body we receive the righteousness of Christ by faith in His shed blood for remission (Matt 26:28). Christ was baptized by John and fulfilled the law and He did it own our behalf.

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Titus 3:5

Peter when he went to Cornelius said it was "unlawful" for a Jew to come unto one of another nation. What was Peter's understanding of the commission to go to all the world? Peter still believes in the law with its works of righteousness.

But in every nation he that feareth him, and ""worketh righteousness"", is accepted with him. Acts 10:35

If we read Romans 5 we can see how we are baptized into his death. Those who walk by sight and are still in the flesh say it is by obeying in water baptism but this is not what Paul said.

Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: Rom. 5:1 (KJV)
By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Rom. 5:2 (KJV)

Faith is required not water baptism which is a "work". If a work is required then salvation must be earned. Jesus said “it is finished” and therefore a “work” is no longer required for salvation. Those who do not have “faith” in His finished work say water baptism is required thus are still in their sins (Rom 11:6).

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. Rom. 5:9 (KJV)

We are justified by His blood and the only way that can be received is by faith. Nothing more need be added unless you do not believe. The old message for remission of sins (Acts 2:38) has been superceded by the greater witness of God and the new message is faith in His blood for remission of sins (Rom 3:25).

But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. Rom. 5:15 (KJV)

We can not add to the finished work of Christ and this "gift" must be received "freely" or it is no longer a gift.

For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Rom. 5:19 (KJV)

It is not "our" obedience but by the obedience of "one" so that the gift may be "free".
Some say it is not free and by adding their obedience they deny the word of God and void the free gift.

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Rom. 6:3 (KJV)

Notice that it says baptized "into Jesus" not into "water". How are we to get into Jesus?...For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body 1 Cor. 12:13 (KJV)

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Rom. 6:4 (KJV)
Here it says "into death" not "water" . In other words when we are baptized by the Spirit we are placed in His body and we died with Him and it is received through "faith".

Water baptism is performed by men to men yet Spirit baptism is an operation of God receive through FAITH not water.

Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. Col. 2:12 (KJV)
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Col. 2:13 (KJV)

This quickening or baptism by the Spirit is by belief in the words of Jesus Christ in reference to the new testament for remission of sins.

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 6:63 (KJV)
But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. John 6:64 (KJV)

There is no profit in anything that the flesh can accomplish and anything that man can perform is a work of the flesh. The words Jesus spoke of the “new” testament (Matt. 26:28) in His blood are spirit and it is by believing in these words that we profit eternal life. Salvation is the work of God that many deny when they say you must obey in water baptism. They do not comprehend "the flesh profiteth nothing". Dead sinners can hear the words of the new testament (Matt. 26:28) but remain dead until they believe the words of the Son of God. It is the personal word of Christ that commands life and that life is eternal. It is the Holy Spirit who reveals the spoken words of Christ, and imparts spiritual life when those words are believed.

In Christ
Craig

 

[JustAChristian]

Why Baptism For The Remission Of Sins Is So Important...

Why Baptism For The Remission Of Sins Is So Important...

Why Is Baptism So Important
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT BAPTISM
Baptism is the point at which a person is united with Christ into His death and resurrection into "newness of life" (Rom 6:3)
There is only ONE recognized baptism. "One Lord, one faith, one baptism," (Eph 4:5)

There is not a spiritual baptism and a water baptism. The baptism recognized is the one instituted by Christ himself, which He said was in order to "fulfill ALL righteousness" (Mt 3:15). Even though Jesus was not baptized for the remission of sins, His baptism is the pattern for the baptism that is now recognized by God; one in which God becomes well-pleased in the one being baptized(Mt 3:17), one in which the Holy Spirit is received(Mt 3:16), one in which in its very form depicts the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus(Mt 3:16: "come UP straight way out of the WATER)--our baptism is validated by the events surrounding Christ's baptism.
Baptism is the point at which a person is IN CHRIST. We are joined to the Lord at this time. "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have PUT ON Christ." (Gal 3:27)

The apostle Peter ordered for converts in Cornelius' household to be baptized. "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." (Acts 10:47-48)
The apostle Paul commended the believers at Rome for their baptism "But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that FORM of doctrine which was delivered you."(Rom 6:17)

At Pentecost, in the midst of Peter's sermon, the adherents to his message were pricked in their hearts and asked Peter, "What shall we do?"--moved to repentance. "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38)

Baptism is not a "good work", meaning that in baptism I am trying to earn my salvation. Baptism is the response of faith. Faith ALWAYS obeys--the "obedience OF FAITH" (Rom 16:26). In Mt 28:18ff, Jesus called for the baptism of all believers, and every TRUE believer seeks to do what pleases Jesus. Baptism is the working of faith in submissive response to the command of Jesus.
Some may say, if baptism saves us, then what about the theif on the cross? This is a special acception. Believe me, if that thief could have come down from that cross to be baptized, he would have done so! Doctrines that shape our consideration of baptism can not be shaped around this single incident. If this was a pattern for sound theology than we might as well start teaching that every person who lies will die instantly, as Ananias and Sapphira did.

The bible says, concerning those who are interested in eternal life, "To them who BY PATIENT CONTINUANCE IN WELL DOING seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:"(Rom 2:7), and again, "For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, IF WE FAINT NOT." (Gal 6:8-9), and again, "And let ours also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they BE NOT UNFRUITFUL." (Titus 3:14), and again, "Every branch in me that BEARETH NOT FRUIT He(God, the Father) taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit." (John 15:2) People that "do no good works" as you put it, do not have a shred of evidence of being connected to Christ and the eternal purpose of God, for Eph 2:10 says "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." "Good works" in this sense are not works that earn salvation, but actions that are EVIDENCE of the working of salvation in a believer's life!--an important truth to see indeed!!


JustAChristian
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“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (2 Timothy 4:3-4 AV)

 

[JustAChristian]

How Works Of Righteousness Saves...

How Works Of Righteousness Saves...

Originally posted by HopeofGlory
The ONE baptism of Ephesians is SPIRIT baptism.

For by ONE ""Spirit"" are we ""all baptized"" into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Cor. 12:13

Spirit baptism places us "into" the body of Christ.

We know there is only One baptism and it is not with water.

Craig,

There are works that play a part in man’s salvation. The scriptures are too clear to deny it. Paul said to Titus, “[This is] a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men." (Titus 3:8). Why should we be careful to maintain good works if they have nothing to do with our salvation. “These things are good and profitable unto men” because they lead to our salvation. It is never counterproductive to obey God! Either there are conditions to salvation or there are none. If there are any conditions of salvation at all, then we must observe all that God has set forth as conditions. Why do we recognize faith to be a condition of salvation without recognizing repentance. If we recognize repentance, why not confession? And if any of these, they why not baptism? Indeed, baptism is stated to be a condition of entry into Christ and His kingdom several times as often as these other conditions.

The same reasoning applies to Ephesians 2:8-9: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Condemned are the works originated by man. The works of God which we do by faith are not of ourselves, they are of God. We cannot boast about keeping God's commandments and still keep them (this is an oxymoron). Again, when we read on we find that the very purpose of this admonition is to prompt us to walk in the works of God (Eph. 2:10): "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

Man can not be saved by faith without accepting baptism for the remission of sins (Mark 16:16; John 3:3-5). Any statement concerning salvation is conditioned on commands which originated in the mind of God. Scriptural baptism is a statement concerning salvation and is a commanded operation of God which originated in the mind of God; therefore among all statements concerning salvation is scriptural baptism and by virtue of originating from the mind of God, and not from the mind of man, is essential to our salvation in that a failure to comply with this simple act clearly demonstrates a lack of faith in His promises. Be baptized for the remission of sin for the is God’s duty for man (Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38).

JustAChristian :angel:

 

[HopeofGlory]

Just,

A righteous work is not required for salvation as you suppose and Paul does not say such in the context of Titus. Paul negates your idea with these words "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us" and it is clear to all that have faith. The condition of salvation is "perfection" (Matt 5:48) and the bible states all our works are like filthy rags (Isa. 64:6) and that their are none that doeth good (Roms 3:12). Your good works will profit you nothing in the day of judgment but a eternal hell because on that day God will require perfection. Baptism is an operation of God (Col 2:12) by the Spirit (1 Cor 12:13) that places us into the body of Christ and God would not have us mind earthly things (Phil 3:19). Good works by man are only possible after salvation by God working in us and they are not of ourselves.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph. 2:8
Not of works, lest any man should boast. Eph. 2:9

Religionist have a works based system of righteousness for salvation. It is a yoke of bondage used to their advantage to deceive the ignorant but it is not the righteousness of God. The law was given to reveal sin and by it no mortal man was justified, so God sent His Son to fulfill the law and die on a cross for the justification of man. The only way to receive justification is through the body of Christ by His perfect obedience. We must have faith in the finished work that He preformed to receive salvation. It is by grace we are saved and not of our works therefore it is a free gift. This is the gospel of Christ!

Many say they believe the gospel of Christ but add works for salvation such as repenting of their sins (as if it were possible that one could even name all their sins), obeying the law, tithing, church attendence, water baptism for the remission of sins, etc, etc, etc. By doing so they have voided the grace of God!

"And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace."

Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; Rom. 3:25
To declare, I say at this time, his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Rom. 3:26: thumb:

In Christ
Craig

 

[JustAChristian]

What Does "Through Faith" Mean?

What Does "Through Faith" Mean?

Originally posted by HopeofGlory

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph. 2:8

Craig,
Paul says that one is saved by grace, but that it comes through faith. Can you tell me and TheologyOnLine what you believer "through faith" means?


GOD HAS MADE A PLAN FOR MAN'S SALVATION.

Galatians 4:4-5 said, “but when the fulness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, that He might redeem them that were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.” An angel appeared to an old priest named Zechariah. He told him He would have a son named John who would prepare the way for another. This same angel, Gabriel, was sent to Mary about six months later. Mary would give birth to the son of the Most High. Jesus was born in Bethlehem. His name meant “Savior” Shepherds and wise men announced the birth, along with angels and a star seen in the east. Joseph the earthly father of Jesus and Mary with the Son fled to Egypt. They came back to Nazareth of Galilee. Near the age of thirty, John started his ministry by preaching, “Repent ye; for the kingdom of heaven is at hand” (Matthew 4:17). Soon the dispensation of the mystery would be revealed (Mark 9:1). At about the same time Jesus began to preach the same message (Matthew 4:17). He gathered to Himself disciples that would become his universal apostles and announced to them, “upon this rock i will build my church; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it” (Matthew 16:18). He said, “Now is the judgment of this world; now shall the prince of this would be cast out and I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto myself” (John 12:31-32).

He was crucified, but was resurrected from the dead with a perfect plan of salvation, a flawless scheme of redemption. The apostles to the Gentiles, Paul, said, “but as it is written, things which eye saw not, and ear heard not, and which entered not into the heart of man, whatsoever things God prepared for them that love him” (1 Cor. 2:9). Again he said of this scheme, “And we know that to them that love God all thins work together for good, even to them that are called according to His purpose” (Romans 8:28). God’s plan worked for all then and will work for all today.

In His own words Jesus told His part, “Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give His life a ransom for many” (Matthew 20:28). He said, “Therefore doth the Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I may take it again. No one taketh it away from me, but I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment received I from my Father” (John 10:17-18).

Man’s part in this plan of salvation was simple. It included FAITH but not FAITH ALONE. Jesus said, “I am the resurrection, and the life; he that believeth on me, though he die, yet shall he live; and whosoever liveth and believeth on me shall never die. Believest thou this?” (John 11:25-26). So the plan included faith that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God. The apostle John said, “many other signs therefore did Jesus in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in His name” (John 20:30-31).

But it included more than faith alone on man’s part. This scheme of redemption included repentance. REPENTANCE is a change of mind regarding sin with a view to amend one’s life. Jesus said, “I tell you Nay; but, except ye repent, ye shall all in like manner perish.” (Luke 13:3). Peter preached, “Repemt ye therefore, and turn againm, that your sins may be blotted out, that so there may come seasons of refreshing from the presence of the Lord” (Acts 3:19).

Yet it included more, Jesus said, “Every one therefore who shall CONFESS me before men, Him will I also confess before My Father who is in Heaven” (Matthew 10:32). So Paul could teach, “For with the hearth man BELIEVETH UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation” (Romans 10:10). This grand plan of salvation included confession of Jesus. Paul is able to later encourage Timothy saying, “Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.” (1 Timothy 6:12).

But there was more. This scheme of redemption included water baptism. Jesus said to Nicodemus, “Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except one be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God” (John 3:5). After His resurrection Jesus said, “Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation. He that BELIEVETH (has faith in Christ) AND IS BAPTIZED shall be saved; but he that dis believeth shall be condemned” (Mark 16:15,16).

God plan had been completed. Man could now be saved from his sins THROUGH OBEDIENCE to the Gospel (Romans 10:16; 1:16). God brought for the institution He had prepared from the beginning to help man live and work until he can receive Heaven (Ephesians 3:8-11). That is the church. God made it part of His plan. It work, organization, worship, and doctrines are all given in the New Testament. There is no greater plan than God’s plan for there is none greater than the God of Heaven.

JustAChristian :angel:

 

[HopeofGlory]

What true Christian ever called true faith our own faith? Does not the scripture say, it is the gift of God? For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. What true Christian ever called good works our own works? Does scripture say, it is God who worketh in us? Now your faith may be called good and saving, because it is God's gift thru Christ and not of ourselves. But now, suppose a man relied on his own faith, and another relied on his own works, they then are both carnally minded and are equally the same worthless, filthy rags. The moment a man seeks to be justified by his own obedience, that moment he falls from Christ, and ceases to have an interest in our savior. The same moment a man seeks to be saved or justified by his own faith, that moment he also falls from Christ. Our own faith and own obedience are at the same distance from God, and are works of the flesh. For the true Christian never thinks, or talks of being justified by his own obedience, any more than of being washed and saved by his own blood. It is by the supernatural WORD and SPIRIT of God that we are made righteous to a fullness of birth in Him. His obedience to the cross, His works in fulfilling the law, His faith in being raised from the dead, His love for us by giving His life. We must become a new creature in Christ who is justified by the faith and works of Christ.

That no flesh should glory in his presence. 1 Cor. 1:29 (KJV)
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 1 Cor. 1:30 (KJV)
That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. 1 Cor. 1:31 (KJV)

If faith is not from Christ, or works not from Christ, then they are both worthless filthy rags. But add Christ to faith, and Christ to works, and then they are but one and the same power of God to salvation and nothing remains, but Christ in us the hope of glory.

That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. Eph. 1:12 (KJV)
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Eph. 1:13 (KJV)

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 1 Cor. 15:1 (KJV)
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 1 Cor. 15:2 (KJV)
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 1 Cor. 15:3 (KJV)

Abraham’s faith and righteousness were God’s or in Christ. His faith was not heavenly and his reward was not heavenly. Eternal life was not attainable at this time and his faith was of himself not being in Christ. His reward was earthly in every sense, looking forward to a kingdom on this earth. His righteousness was not Christ‘s, the true righteousness of God.

Rom. 4:1 (KJV) What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
Rom. 4:3 (KJV) For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom. 4:4 (KJV) Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.


We can clearly see it was Abraham's faith and righteousness as pertaining to his flesh.

Rom. 3:9 (KJV) What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Rom. 3:10 (KJV) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Heb. 11:39 (KJV) And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb. 11:40 (KJV) God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

We are not blessed through Abraham but through his seed (Christ) that was in him and this is the gospel.

Gal. 3:8 (KJV) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Gal. 3:16 (KJV) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal. 3:17 (KJV) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Rom. 3:21 (KJV) But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom. 3:22 (KJV) Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom. 3:23 (KJV) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom. 3:24 (KJV) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom. 3:25 (KJV) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Rom. 3:26 (KJV) To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Rom. 3:27 (KJV) Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Rom. 4:5 (KJV) But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his (Christ‘s) faith is counted for righteousness.

Rom. 4:6 (KJV) Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom. 4:7 (KJV) Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Rom. 4:8 (KJV) Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Matt. 13:17 (KJV) For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

1 John 5:11 (KJV) And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1 John 5:12 (KJV) He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1 John 5:13 (KJV) These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

"When thou dost thine alms," saith he, "let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doth." And again, "When thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret, and thy Father which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly." Why is all this secrecy? It is, that the work, may be solely from, and to, and for God, and that self may have neither beginning, nor end, or any part in it.

Faith without Christ is from the spirit of Satan, working and ruling in our animal birth of Adam's poisoned flesh and blood. Faith from the Spirit of Christ comes to us at the birth of the new creature, created unto good works in Christ Jesus. The works of the devil in us, are our only condemnation, and the works of Christ in us, are our only justification. This is the stone, which was set at naught of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is no other Name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. What is faith in his blood, but the same thing as faith in his cross, to embrace the gospel of Christ and enter into the kingdom of God?

We must have the righteousness of Christ or he can be no savior to us. Can you possibly be told this in stronger terms, than when Christ said, "Except a man be born again from above, of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." Whosoever is born of God, doth not commit sin"; the same as saying, till a man is born of God, he is still under the power of his sinful nature. Christ's righteousness must be our righteousness and this alone is justification in the sight of God. If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

There are two spirits, one is the Spirit of God, the other is the spirit that fell from God, and works contrary to him. Nothing is good in any creature, because the Spirit of God is the doer of good; nothing is evil, but that which is done by the spirit that is not from God and this is how we can know the spirits. Any spirit that speaks of eternal life (true salvation) without Christ is not of God. Our redemption consists in our being made one in Christ, born of him, that having his nature we become one with him in God, one spirit, forever. God was in Christ Jesus, reconciling the world to himself. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Trust to seek salvation in anyway but being in Christ, which is the gospel of Christ will be no better than receiving the wrath of God. The old man must die, or the new man can never be made alive in Christ. This is the gospel from the beginning to the end.


Yours in Christ

Craig

 

[JustAChristian]

You Didn't Answer My Question.

You Didn't Answer My Question.

Originally posted by HopeofGlory
What true Christian ever called true faith our own faith? Does not the scripture say, it is the gift of God? For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. What true Christian ever called good works our own works? Does scripture say, it is God who worketh in us? Now your faith may be called good and saving, because it is God's gift thru Christ and not of ourselves. But now, suppose a man relied on his own faith, and another relied on his own works, they then are both carnally minded and are equally the same worthless, filthy rags. The moment a man seeks to be justified by his own obedience, that moment he falls from Christ, and ceases to have an interest in our savior. The same moment a man seeks to be saved or justified by his own faith, that moment he also falls from Christ. Our own faith and own obedience are at the same distance from God, and are works of the flesh. For the true Christian never thinks, or talks of being justified by his own obedience, any more than of being washed and saved by his own blood. It is by the supernatural WORD and SPIRIT of God that we are made righteous to a fullness of birth in Him. His obedience to the cross, His works in fulfilling the law, His faith in being raised from the dead, His love for us by giving His life. We must become a new creature in Christ who is justified by the faith and works of Christ.

That no flesh should glory in his presence. 1 Cor. 1:29 (KJV)
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 1 Cor. 1:30 (KJV)
That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. 1 Cor. 1:31 (KJV)

If faith is not from Christ, or works not from Christ, then they are both worthless filthy rags. But add Christ to faith, and Christ to works, and then they are but one and the same power of God to salvation and nothing remains, but Christ in us the hope of glory.

That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. Eph. 1:12 (KJV)
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Eph. 1:13 (KJV)

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 1 Cor. 15:1 (KJV)
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 1 Cor. 15:2 (KJV)
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 1 Cor. 15:3 (KJV)

Abraham’s faith and righteousness were God’s or in Christ. His faith was not heavenly and his reward was not heavenly. Eternal life was not attainable at this time and his faith was of himself not being in Christ. His reward was earthly in every sense, looking forward to a kingdom on this earth. His righteousness was not Christ‘s, the true righteousness of God.

Rom. 4:1 (KJV) What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
Rom. 4:3 (KJV) For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom. 4:4 (KJV) Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.


We can clearly see it was Abraham's faith and righteousness as pertaining to his flesh.

Rom. 3:9 (KJV) What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Rom. 3:10 (KJV) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Heb. 11:39 (KJV) And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb. 11:40 (KJV) God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

We are not blessed through Abraham but through his seed (Christ) that was in him and this is the gospel.

Gal. 3:8 (KJV) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Gal. 3:16 (KJV) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal. 3:17 (KJV) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Rom. 3:21 (KJV) But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom. 3:22 (KJV) Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom. 3:23 (KJV) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom. 3:24 (KJV) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom. 3:25 (KJV) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Rom. 3:26 (KJV) To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Rom. 3:27 (KJV) Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Rom. 4:5 (KJV) But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his (Christ‘s) faith is counted for righteousness.

Rom. 4:6 (KJV) Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom. 4:7 (KJV) Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Rom. 4:8 (KJV) Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Matt. 13:17 (KJV) For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

1 John 5:11 (KJV) And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1 John 5:12 (KJV) He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1 John 5:13 (KJV) These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

"When thou dost thine alms," saith he, "let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doth." And again, "When thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret, and thy Father which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly." Why is all this secrecy? It is, that the work, may be solely from, and to, and for God, and that self may have neither beginning, nor end, or any part in it.

Faith without Christ is from the spirit of Satan, working and ruling in our animal birth of Adam's poisoned flesh and blood. Faith from the Spirit of Christ comes to us at the birth of the new creature, created unto good works in Christ Jesus. The works of the devil in us, are our only condemnation, and the works of Christ in us, are our only justification. This is the stone, which was set at naught of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is no other Name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. What is faith in his blood, but the same thing as faith in his cross, to embrace the gospel of Christ and enter into the kingdom of God?

We must have the righteousness of Christ or he can be no savior to us. Can you possibly be told this in stronger terms, than when Christ said, "Except a man be born again from above, of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." Whosoever is born of God, doth not commit sin"; the same as saying, till a man is born of God, he is still under the power of his sinful nature. Christ's righteousness must be our righteousness and this alone is justification in the sight of God. If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

There are two spirits, one is the Spirit of God, the other is the spirit that fell from God, and works contrary to him. Nothing is good in any creature, because the Spirit of God is the doer of good; nothing is evil, but that which is done by the spirit that is not from God and this is how we can know the spirits. Any spirit that speaks of eternal life (true salvation) without Christ is not of God. Our redemption consists in our being made one in Christ, born of him, that having his nature we become one with him in God, one spirit, forever. God was in Christ Jesus, reconciling the world to himself. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Trust to seek salvation in anyway but being in Christ, which is the gospel of Christ will be no better than receiving the wrath of God. The old man must die, or the new man can never be made alive in Christ. This is the gospel from the beginning to the end.


Yours in Christ

Craig

I askied Craig in my last post a question, and until he answers it, whatever he writes is irrelivent...

Craig,
Paul says that one is saved by grace, but that it comes through faith. Can you tell me and TheologyOnLine what you believer "through faith" means?


JustAChristian
:angel:

 

[JustAChristian]

O, where! O, where is my friend Craig?

O, where! O, where is my friend Craig?

Craig,

You have had lots of time to answer my question. Instead, you continue to ignore me and stand behind stupid conclusions such as this...

Abraham’s faith and righteousness were God’s or in Christ. His faith was not heavenly and his reward was not heavenly. Eternal life was not attainable at this time and his faith was of himself not being in Christ. His reward was earthly in every sense, looking forward to a kingdom on this earth. His righteousness was not Christ‘s, the true righteousness of God

"The word of the LORD came again to me, saying, Son of man, when the land sinneth against me by trespassing grievously, then will I stretch out mine hand upon it, and will break the staff of the bread thereof, and will send famine upon it, and will cut off man and beast from it: Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD. If I cause noisome beasts to pass through the land, and they spoil it, so that it be desolate, that no man may pass through because of the beasts: Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters; they only shall be delivered, but the land shall be desolate." (Ezekiel 14:12-16 AV)

Job was contemporary with Abraham. He delivered himself by being righteous. This has always been God's plan (Ezekiel 18). He has eternal life beginning from his just life on earth.


When are you going to answer my question? What does "Through faith" mean?

JustAChristian :angel:

 

[JustAChristian]

Where is HopeOfGlory?

Where is HopeOfGlory?

Why has Craig not responded. "Either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked." (1 Kings 18:27). Anyway, he has not answered my question.

JustAChristian

 

[c.moore]

Hello jerry

Come back and tell some more truth, and facts about the outward sign water ritual!

God bless
happy new years

 

[tralon]

One must be born of WATER and of the Spirit

One must be born of WATER and of the Spirit

Jesus said NO MAN can enter the Kingdom of God unless they are born of WATER and the spirit. TWO elements. Clearly the New Testament example shows that all who would be Christians believed, repented and were baptised. The examples are overwhelming. Also Jesus clearly said in MK 16:16 that "He that believeth AND IS BAPTISED shalll be saved." He did not say "He that believeth is saved and should be baptised."

 

[c.moore]

Re: One must be born of WATER and of the Spirit

Re: One must be born of WATER and of the Spirit

Originally posted by tralon
Jesus said NO MAN can enter the Kingdom of God unless they are born of WATER and the spirit. TWO elements. Clearly the New Testament example shows that all who would be Christians believed, repented and were baptised. The examples are overwhelming. Also Jesus clearly said in MK 16:16 that "He that believeth AND IS BAPTISED shalll be saved." He did not say "He that believeth is saved and should be baptised."

Here we go again from the beginning.
M'r:16:16: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

But what do you think believeth not mean own is damned???

Is A person damned because of not being baptized or is it believing???

 

[tralon]

Mr Moore-Baptism without believing is useless

Mr Moore-Baptism without believing is useless

Mr Moore,
When Jesus stated in the verse those who refused to believe would be damned, he was not overlooking baptism, but was simply saying that it would make no sense to be baptized unless one believed anyway. Just the same as a person who believes and yet refuses to repent of their personal sins before becoming a Christian. Also if you will do a CLOSE study on water baptism in connection with believing, you will find that all believers were immediately baptized the same day after their claiming faith in Jesus. Why was there such an urgency Mr Moore, if baptism was an option and not a command?

 

[c.moore]

Tralon

Why was there such an urgency Mr Moore, if baptism was an option and not a command?

At that time Tralon, it was the ritual to get baptized as John practised but now we are saved by grace and we have the Holy Spirit with us to clean us and not our works saves us , and baptism is works, but it is A symbol of what happens on the in side of us, when we get washed and buried and covered by the Blood of Jesus.

here is A very good biblical track that will explain better than I can about your baptismo water faith, and give you a good understand of God`s will.
I would like to inform you that I have been water baptized, and I think every christian should get baptized , but it is not salvation it´s like A wittness of your new birth, but not the new birth or A part of it.
Please study and check this out this tract expalining Mark 16 , and much more bible truth.

Compiled by Gary Savelli
with excerpts from tracts of the Pioneer Tract Society This tract answers most questions asked regarding why we teach that water baptism is not something to be practiced any longer among the obedient children of God."And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mk.16:15-16) "...baptism doth also now save us..." (1Pet.3:21) From these scriptures, and others like them, we see that salvation will be given in the end ONLY to those who have been baptized! Let this unshakable biblical truth echo in the corridors of your spirit and mind. Without baptism, there is no hope of salvation. With that revelation, one is confronted with an obvious question: Is the baptism which we must receive a baptism with water or is it the baptism of the holy Spirit? You must decide - because Paul said that now, in this dispensation, there is only ONE baptism (Eph 4:3-5). The earliest church, being exclusively Jewish, practiced two baptisms. They baptized with John the Baptist's baptism of water, telling those who humbled themselves to this divinely ordained baptism to expect to receive Jesus's baptism of the Spirit. They followed the pattern set by John, who told those whom he baptized, "I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose. He shall baptize you with the holy Ghost and with fire" (Lk.3:16). Later of course, Jesus died, was resurrected,. and ascended to the father where he was given the authority to practice this second baptism: "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." (Acts 2:33). These two baptisms, John's and Jesus', are the only two baptisms which God has ever ordained. The One Baptism of Christ Paul's gospel cut against the grain of two baptisms. He saw it causing among the Spirit filled believers. To Paul, water baptism was no longer an option. God did not send him to baptize in water (1Cor.1:17), and as far as salvation was concerned, Paul said there is "one Lord, one faith, ONE baptism" (Eph.4:5). The only baptism which Paul practiced or preached was the baptism of the holy Ghost. He baptized in water a few Corinthian believers early in his ministry, and he lamented doing so (1Cor.1:14-16), for it gave rise to quarrels and made room for proud boasting concerning who was baptized by which man, whether by Paul, or Peter, or Apollos, etc. And water baptism is still doing the same thing among believers today. It is a "dead" ceremony, and to practice it is to practice "division" and "confusion". Whether arguing over the "name" used (i.e. "the father, the son, the holy Ghost, or - "in Jesus' name", etc.); or whether arguing over the way it is done (sprinkling, immersing, etc.); or whether arguing over to whom it is done (babies, adults, sinners, or believers), this ceremony will always confuse and divide. God's children will never agree on its use, because God does not want his Spirit-filled children to use it at all! If you love Jesus, you will lay it down forever and encourage others to do the same. Paul Was Given A New Gospel Paul's gospel of liberty from the works of the Law is perhaps more misunderstood now than when it was first preached. How many are still baptizing in water, and performing other dead ceremonial works, without knowing that by doing so they are denying the sufficiency of Christ! Israel's symbolic ways of worship, including John's baptism, were needful, holy instruments of God in their time. They served their divinely ordained purpose by pointing to the Messiah. But Christ has come now, and by his sacrificial death has made a "new and living way" for us to approach the Father: the way of life in the holy Spirit. If the baptism you preach is one which those without the Spirit can practice, it has no part in the kingdom of God. Now, we are commanded to worship God in Spirit and in truth - not in ceremony and in type. Ceremonial worship belonged to those under the old covenant. To worship God (now) in a way which was possible before the Spirit was given is to worship God in vain. Only what Jesus suffered and died to make possible is any longer acceptable with the Almighty. All Believers Made One In Christ Let us reason together - There are no longer two bodies of people who belong to God: Israel and the church. No longer two Lords: Israel's High Priest and Jesus. No longer two faiths: Israel's worship in symbols, and worship in spirit and truth. No longer two hopes: the restoration of Israel as a world power, and the return of Jesus. No longer two baptisms: John's and Jesus'. But "there is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all..." (Eph.4:4-6). In other words, there are no longer two gospels. The time for John's message (and Peter's) of water baptism (to the Jews) has passed. Now is the time for reality in the Spirit. Let us rejoice that there is only ONE baptism, and let us rejoice that Jesus is still baptizing!

I hoped this help your understanding of the water baptism.

peace

 

[tralon]

Mr Moore-Nowhere is baptism spoken of as a ritual

Mr Moore-Nowhere is baptism spoken of as a ritual

Respectively Mr Moore you have become totally unorthodox in your no baptism at all thesis. Mr Moore baptism is not a work, but a compliance to a COMMAND which our Lord himself dictated. And even if baptism be deemed a work, whose work is it? From WHOM did it originate? Man or God? Baptism is no more a work of man then repentance. Both are commands of God and from God, and is man's duty to obey. To dismiss baptism as a work of man is folly and to say it has no part of grace is also absurd. For IN baptism we "put on Christ" and are born again. John 3:3, Gal 3:27, Rom 6:3-4

 

[JustAChristian]

It Must Be Done God's Way To Be Acceptable By Jehovah.

It Must Be Done God's Way To Be Acceptable By Jehovah.

I person has to really want to serve the Lord in spirit and in truth in order to be saved eternally. One can not be saved by his own doing but as the Lord commands (Matthew 7:21-23). The Psalmist said, "Except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it; except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain" (Psalms 127:1). What can we conclude from this passage. First of all, truth is not relative. God works in the kingdoms of man to do His will (Dan. 4:25). What God has appoint for man to do in order to be saved can not be altered by addition or deletion. To say that good people in all churches will be saved says that God saves on the basis of morality and not obedience. The Bible says its on the basis of obedience (Heb 5:8-9; Rom 1:5). Thus when one is saved by grace through faith, the salvation came because he or she acted upon the gift of grace and obtained it. The Bible says to believe that Jesus is the Son of God (Jn 8:24; Acts 8:37) To this one is required to repent of sins and redirect their life (Luke 13:3,5) There must be a confession of Jesus as God's Son before man (Matt. 10:32,33) and then he or she must be baptized by immersion for the remission of sins, for thus is defined the word of God delivered through the apostles and inspired preachers of the first century. Only then is one saved. Separate and apart from this there is speculation and conjecture based on ones personal opinion, which is like noses, we all have one. Base your conclusion on facts, for"except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it..." ( Psalm 127:1).

 

[c.moore]

Re: Mr Moore-Nowhere is baptism spoken of as a ritual

Re: Mr Moore-Nowhere is baptism spoken of as a ritual

Originally posted by tralon
Respectively Mr Moore you have become totally unorthodox in your no baptism at all thesis. Mr Moore baptism is not a work, but a compliance to a COMMAND which our Lord himself dictated. And even if baptism be deemed a work, whose work is it? From WHOM did it originate? Man or God? Baptism is no more a work of man then repentance. Both are commands of God and from God, and is man's duty to obey. To dismiss baptism as a work of man is folly and to say it has no part of grace is also absurd. For IN baptism we "put on Christ" and are born again. John 3:3, Gal 3:27, Rom 6:3-4

When John the baptist was baptizing, why did he say A greater baptism is coming??

When we are Born again, what counts for God , the outward water baptism or the Heart and mouth confession unto Christ???

When do we recieve our name in the book of life when we accept jesus as Lord and Savior, or when we get baptized.

What do you think about the Spiritual Baptism , and is the Spiritual baptism more important than the water outward baptism??

In Eph 4 where I mention about the one baptism which one is this?
The earliest church, being exclusively Jewish, practiced two baptisms. They baptized with John the Baptist's baptism of water, telling those who humbled themselves to this divinely ordained baptism to expect to receive Jesus's baptism of the Spirit. They followed the pattern set by John, who told those whom he baptized, "I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose. He shall baptize you with the holy Ghost and with fire" (Lk.3:16).


Why didn`t paul preach the wáter baptismo gospel of John, and say this is A part of salvation????

If somebody dies before they get water baptized, but they believed and was born again , will they go to hell because they didn`t do the water baptismo ceremony????

peace

 

[c.moore]

JustAChristian
There must be a confession of Jesus as God's Son before man (Matt. 10:32,33) and then he or she must be baptized by immersion for the remission of sins, for thus is defined the word of God delivered through the apostles and inspired preachers of the first century. Only then is one saved.


Quote c.moore
Can we be immersion in the Blood of Christ???

What comes first in the Kingdsom of God the natural world and things we do , or the spiritual world ????

You mention about the first century but what about today faith gospel, and the finished work of Christ????

 

[JustAChristian]

Re: Re: Mr Moore-Nowhere is baptism spoken of as a ritual

Re: Re: Mr Moore-Nowhere is baptism spoken of as a ritual

Originally posted by c.moore


When John the baptist was baptizing, why did he say A greater baptism is coming??

When we are Born again, what counts for God , the outward water baptism or the Heart and mouth confession unto Christ???

When do we recieve our name in the book of life when we accept jesus as Lord and Savior, or when we get baptized.

What do you think about the Spiritual Baptism , and is the Spiritual baptism more important than the water outward baptism??

In Eph 4 where I mention about the one baptism which one is this?
The earliest church, being exclusively Jewish, practiced two baptisms. They baptized with John the Baptist's baptism of water, telling those who humbled themselves to this divinely ordained baptism to expect to receive Jesus's baptism of the Spirit. They followed the pattern set by John, who told those whom he baptized, "I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose. He shall baptize you with the holy Ghost and with fire" (Lk.3:16).


Why didn`t paul preach the wáter baptismo gospel of John, and say this is A part of salvation????

If somebody dies before they get water baptized, but they believed and was born again , will they go to hell because they didn`t do the water baptismo ceremony????

peace

Not everyone who has faith that Jesus is the Son of God will be saved (Matthew 7:21-23) mainly because they are not willing to listen to Jesus. They will have listened to some television preacher that has a good story to tell or to a biblical school preacher who was strong in his teaching. Only when one will sincerely listen to the bible as it talks to us will hear the message and believe it (1 Cor. 2:14). The bible says that salvation comes after immersion for the remission of sins (Mark 16:16). The bible says the Holy Spirit become a gift to the believer after baptism for the remission of sins.(Acts 2:38). Everyone will have to come before Christ in judgment with these facts before them. Do you want to be saved or do you want to promote an agenda of some denomination? The Lord wishes for you to be obedient and saved. The ball is in your court. What will you do with it?

JustAChristian