ECT The content of faith, required to be believed, in Mt.-John, prior to the dbr

Jerry Shugart

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Just because they were in denial of it didn't mean it wasn't explained! It's very simple. They regressed and the only way they could have regressed was if it was already explained.

Do you deny that those who believed that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, were saved the moment when they believed that truth?:

"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?" (1 Jn.5:1-5).​

"And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name" (jn.20:30-31).​
 

Interplanner

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Do you deny that those who believed that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, were saved the moment when they believed that truth?:

"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?" (1 Jn.5:1-5).​

"And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name" (jn.20:30-31).​






It is not some other formula. All titles of Christ are about his being the sacrifice for our sins, because there is no other Christ.
 

john w

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Further on DBR and much to the pain of our D'ist friends:

'Destroy this temple and I will raise it up in 3 days.' The real dagger for D'ism here is that Christ is already calling himself the temple, which Rev 21 confirms. It is everywhere in the world. Jn 2. Lots of peeps.
Non responsive. Evasion.

Come on, blowhard-SHOW US, in Mt.-John, chapter, verse, where Peter, and the 11, which included Judas ever preached, prior to the dbr, while preaching for almost 3 years, the gospel/good news of the kingdom, .....

"Christ is going to die for our sins...Be buried...Be raised for our/your justification. Believe this good news to be saved."=the 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV foundation, the content of faith being...

The Death
The Burial
The Resurrection

Not a peep.
 

andyc

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What was the content of faith required in Mt.-John, at least prior to the death, burial, resurrection? The "gospel of God." To wit:

"Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God." Mt. 14:33KJV


"And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." Mt. 16:16 KJV

Comment: and with the 16:18 KJV "upon this rock" statement by the Lord Jesus Christ, our Saviour was setting the "foundation", i.e., the "rock", upon which the kingdom church, the "little flock" church(Luke 12:32 KJV )would be built upon-their faith would rest upon the foundation that He was " the Christ, the Son of the living God."



"And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ." Mark 8:29 KJV


"He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God." Luke 9:20 KJV

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name." Jn. 1:12 KJV



"Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did." Jn. 2:23 KJV


"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." Jn. 3:18 KJV


"And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world." John 4:42 KJV


"And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God." Jn. 6:69 KJV


"She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world." John 11:27 KJV


"But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." John 20:31 KJV

No change in the message in "early" Acts:

"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ." Acts 2:36 KJV


"And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all." Acts 3:16 KJV


"Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole." Acts 4:10 KJV


"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12 KJV


"And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ." Acts 4:42 KJV


"And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God." Acts 8:37 KJV

No change in the message by Paul, early in his ministry, before he was progressively/gradually(i.e., progressive revelation:Acts 9:9 KJV, Acts 9:16 KJV; Acts 22:10 KJV, Acts 22:16-17 KJV("trance"); Acts 26:16 KJV; 1 Cor. 11:23 KJV; 2 Cor. 12:1 KJV ; Gal. 2:2 KJV; Eph. 3:3 KJV; Col. 1:25 KJV; "But now"-Romans 16:26 KJV, Eph. 2:13 KJV, Col. 1:26 KJV / notice Paul spent 3 years in Arabia per Galatians 1:17-18 KJV! 3 years! I find this amazing! Could that be Mt. Sinai? ) given the revelation of the mystery, from the risen, ascended, and glorified Lord Jesus Christ, from heaven(not earth),and the prophetic program was progressively/gradually(but temporarily) set aside:

"And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God." Acts 9:20 KJV


"But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ." Acts 9:22 KJV

Notice the change in Acts 13:

Paul presents the "outline" of 1 Cor. 15:1-4, the only gospel that will save in the current dispensation we are under :

Acts 13:28 KJV:"And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain." = the death of the Lord Jesus Christ

Acts 13:29 KJV: "And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre."=the burial of the Lord Jesus Christ

Acts 13:30 KJV: "But God raised him from the dead:..." =the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ

And notice the gradual change in the message, as Paul boldly states:

"Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses." Acts 13:38-39 KJV

Nothing's changed then.
No one preached 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV, at least prior to the dbr, as a basis for justification-no scripture states this.

More W crap. Move down to verse 11.

Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
Paul preached the same as "they", the other apostles.

Leave the teaching to those who are called to do so.
 

john w

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Nothing's changed then.

Correct-you are still a fraudulent Pentecostal fruitcake.

More W crap. Move down to verse 11.Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.

More moronism, being "drunk" on the spirit, the spirit of Jack Daniels, eh carrot top Opie? Read the title of the thread, loser. Show us, prior to the dbr, idiot, where the 12 preached 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.


You won't.

Paul preached the same as "they", the other apostles.


Show us, prior to the dbr, idiot, where the 12 preached 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.

"Teach" us, you Penty con artist.
Leave the teaching to those who are called to do so.
Funny, you biblical illiterate, who claims he can raise the dead, but cannot avoid going to the hospital, avoid colds.....You are not in my league, biblically, you fraud, who just "posts" emotional Penty slop.


Get saved, candyandycain.
 

andyc

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Correct-you are still a fraudulent Pentecostal fruitcake.



More moronism, being "drunk" on the spirit, the spirit of Jack Daniels, eh carrot top Opie? Read the title of the thread, loser. Show us, prior to the dbr, idiot, where the 12 preached 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.


You won't.




Show us, prior to the dbr, idiot, where the 12 preached 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.

"Teach" us, you Penty con artist.

Funny, you biblical illiterate, who claims he can raise the dead, but cannot avoid going to the hospital, avoid colds.....You are not in my league, biblically, you fraud, who just "posts" emotional Penty slop.


Get saved, candyandycain.


Same ole same ole.

The cut n paste boy W falls out of bed and crawls onto his PC where he tries to feel important among fellow madheads.
 

john w

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Same ole same ole.

The cut n paste boy W falls out of bed and crawls onto his PC where he tries to feel important among fellow madheads.
Funny, with your "boy" zinger, you fruitcake.

Come on, girlie "man," SHOW US, in Mt.-John, chapter, verse, where Peter, and the 11, which included Judas ever preached, prior to the dbr, while preaching for almost 3 years, the gospel/good news of the kingdom, .....

"Christ is going to die for our sins...Be buried...Be raised for our/your justification. Believe this good news to be saved."=the 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV foundation, the content of faith being...

The Death
The Burial
The Resurrection


Not a peep. And get a legit. job, 7 Eleven "worker."


Cutnpaste another one of your articles on the evils of dispensationalism, devil child.
he tries to feel important among fellow madheads

Oooops!!! You just lost your flaky, shaky "salvation," Opie!!!!!!!You are of the flesh!!!!! Go back and get the anoininting!!!!!!!


Puh-rayssss Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus!





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Importance, clout, respect, authority....humility.


Vs.

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Irrelevance.


Contrasts.


Poor little anyycandycain.

Get "re-saved," loser.
 

Interplanner

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Funny, with your "boy" zinger, you fruitcake.

Come on, girlie "man," SHOW US, in Mt.-John, chapter, verse, where Peter, and the 11, which included Judas ever preached, prior to the dbr, while preaching for almost 3 years, the gospel/good news of the kingdom, .....

"Christ is going to die for our sins...Be buried...Be raised for our/your justification. Believe this good news to be saved."=the 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV foundation, the content of faith being...

The Death
The Burial
The Resurrection


Not a peep. And get a legit. job, 7 Eleven "worker."


Cutnpaste another one of your articles on the evils of dispensationalism, devil child.


Oooops!!! You just lost your flaky, shaky "salvation," Opie!!!!!!!You are of the flesh!!!!! Go back and get the anoininting!!!!!!!


Puh-rayssss Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus!





The great saint John W’s page:This page has had 16,728 visits

Importance, clout, respect, authority....humility.


Vs.

Candyandycain’s page:This page has had 1,242 visits

Irrelevance.


Contrasts.


Poor little anyycandycain.

Get "re-saved," loser.






His name was Jesus because he would save from sins. He was sung about in the Luke nativity songs as providing the forgiveness of sins promised through Abraham.

Mk 9 he would be a ransom for sins.

Matthew had already quoted Is 53 about him healing all our iniquities. I'm not sure but you might now something about Is 53.

In Jn 2 he answered the Pharisees that 'destroy this temple (himself) and he would raise it in 3 days.'

In Mk 2 he was offering the forgiveness of sins.

You need to know that there was huge pressure by Judaism's zealots to tow their messianic warrior line. That included 2 guys out of the 12. That's why when he is totally clear about it after the Trans, it is a button too hot to touch and they fail on him, they now realize they are at the mercy of some of the most violent followers of Judaism of the time.
 

john w

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His name was Jesus because he would save from sins. He was sung about in the Luke nativity songs as providing the forgiveness of sins promised through Abraham.

Mk 9 he would be a ransom for sins.

Matthew had already quoted Is 53 about him healing all our iniquities. I'm not sure but you might now something about Is 53.

In Jn 2 he answered the Pharisees that 'destroy this temple (himself) and he would raise it in 3 days.'

In Mk 2 he was offering the forgiveness of sins.

You need to know that there was huge pressure by Judaism's zealots to tow their messianic warrior line. That included 2 guys out of the 12. That's why when he is totally clear about it after the Trans, it is a button too hot to touch and they fail on him, they now realize they are at the mercy of some of the most violent followers of Judaism of the time.

Evasion. Non responsive.

SHOW US, in Mt.-John, chapter, verse, where Peter, and the 11, which included Judas ever preached, prior to the dbr, while preaching for almost 3 years, the gospel/good news of the kingdom, .....

"Christ is going to die for our sins...Be buried...Be raised for our/your justification. Believe this good news to be saved."=the 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV foundation, the content of faith being...

The Death
The Burial
The Resurrection


You cannot-won't. The dbr was hid from them, prior to its occurrence.


For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him." Mark 9:31-32 KJV

"Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken." Luke 18:31-34 KJV

"For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." John 20:9 KJV





You lied, and continue to lie.




Not a peep.
 

Interplanner

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Evasion. Non responsive.

SHOW US, in Mt.-John, chapter, verse, where Peter, and the 11, which included Judas ever preached, prior to the dbr, while preaching for almost 3 years, the gospel/good news of the kingdom, .....

"Christ is going to die for our sins...Be buried...Be raised for our/your justification. Believe this good news to be saved."=the 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV foundation, the content of faith being...

The Death
The Burial
The Resurrection


You cannot-won't. The dbr was hid from them, prior to its occurrence.


For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him." Mark 9:31-32 KJV

"Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken." Luke 18:31-34 KJV

"For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." John 20:9 KJV





You lied, and continue to lie.




Not a peep.





"Hid" never means un-expressed! You are a simpleton.

"Hid" means it was expressed but they were blocked from accepting it until the Spirit came, so that they knew the whole enterprise was from God. What better way to have God prove it was totally His doing than to have a set of guys who were planning on NOT preaching just that!

You might want to consider your own role in hiding what is actually there, as you read it this far removed.
 

Interplanner

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Ever wonder why he was speaking about his 'exodus' in Lk 9:31, how an 'exodus' needed to be fulfilled. How did the line of the Servant of the Lord (multiple Isaiah passages, ch 53) get chosen to be repeated right then from heaven when he mentioned that, and they were to LISTEN TO HIM, but decided not to.

Ever wonder why all the verbs about the hiddenness are passive? (It was being done to them). 9:44. Your way of reading the text as though there was supposed to be near-mathematically exact statement of what you want is elementary.
 

intojoy

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Nice way of approach. Now answer what was the content of faith prior to Malachi.


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john w

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"Hid" never means un-expressed! You are a simpleton.

"Hid" means it was expressed but they were blocked from accepting it until the Spirit came, so that they knew the whole enterprise was from God. What better way to have God prove it was totally His doing than to have a set of guys who were planning on NOT preaching just that!

You might want to consider your own role in hiding what is actually there, as you read it this far removed.
Catch that deception,"thre card monty," TOL audience?Hid means " un-expressed!"


You deceiving punk, idiot. His "version:"




"Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was un-expressed from them."


Liar, corrupter, making the LORD God to be as big an idiot, incompetent, as you are-read it:

And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.


Read it, moron:


"For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." John 20:9 KJV


You're a clown, in a parade of clowns. TOL laughs at you, as does the LORD God, as he checked you out, years ago.


Smile, Bozo-here is you:

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DAN P

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Nice way of approach. Now answer what was the content of faith prior to Malachi.


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Hi and John W has you pinned to the FLOOR and check out Heb 11:1-40 and see how FAITH OPERATED !!

If you know how FAITH operates , explain Rom 5:14 and say what FAITH PRODUCED ??

dan p
 
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