Well I guess we're all suspect then. Therefore, we ought to crack a history book to see what was meant from the very beginning by the word "Church." And then we're back again to Holy Catholicism.
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HisServant
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Actually, we are not... to crack the history books takes us back to Jerusalem, to Jewish Jesus and his Jewish Apostles. Who were used to going to synagogue and those type of traditions. They also were very free form and non-codified with no liturgy and no class of clergy. The met in house groups and ate meals together prior to remembering Jesus via communion (Having a full meal before communion is emphasized very clearly in scripture.... but apparently does not fit well within the Roman corporatized structure of its church... and god forbid they would spend money to feed people).
They were a grass roots movement that was the inheritance of Jews that believed which later spread around the world.
Rome was the absolute enemy of Jesus and especially the Apostles because Rome had invaded Israel and occupied it, thus placing the empire under a perpetual curse by God. You also have to come to grips with the fact that being a Christian in Rome for the first three centuries after Christ was punishable by death. Many Christians lost their lives in the arena and were crucified by Romans because of their faith.
Jesus nor the apostles practiced sacraments, believed in transubstantiation (which would have been an abhorrent practice to them based on Jewish tradition), etc.
No mater how you look at it, Rome was never in their picture...
FYI, I take great offense on behalf of God when mankind take it upon themselves to declare something Holy. The only thing holy is that which God declares holy to him.
peter was crucified upside down in rome
HisServant
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And of course, that is only legend. There was no reason for Peter to have ever gone to Rome, especially when he says that Rome is not his mission field.
Do you believe anything that has even a modicum of proof... or are myths and legends sufficient for the foundation of your faith?
do you think peter went to babylon?
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It's very clear that you could care less what the BIBLE says and are only interested in what that abomination of a denomination of yours says.
HisServant
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Scripture is plain that he went to minister to the Jews that fled to the ruins of Babylon to flee the occupation and persecution of the Romans.... there is no reason to believe otherwise.
Since there were pretty much no Jews in Rome during his lifetime and his mission was to the Jews.. there would be no reason for him to go there.
Your church has a long history of hating on the Jews and persecuting them... yet you claim your very foundation is built on Jews.
HisServant
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The Roman Church had nothing to do with the bible as we know it today. It propagated bad copies based on inferior sources and only repeated what was known before Rome got involved.
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You don't know what the word "church" means.
what do you think church means?
HisServant
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So you believe the Holy Spirit lied?
why would you ask a question like that?
HisServant
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Because if you believe that Rome is Babylon in the inspired scriptures... then that is the inevitable conclusion you MUST come to.
If the Holy Spirit meant Rome.. he would have inspired Rome to be recorded in scripture.
The next conclusion you could come to was that he used a code word because he was afraid to use the word Rome... and if he was afraid, then what kind of a God is he?
there are many different interpretations of the bible
-it doesn't mean somebody lied
-your question was ignorant
HisServant
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Place names are not up for interpretation... those are known and set in stone.
Although I could go on about how Rome has systematically removed as much Jewishness from scripture as it possibly could. Jesus' name wasn't even Jesus... it was more like Joshua. We have a guy here at the office with a first name of Jesus (he would talk about how 'holy' his name was). till I proved to him that that name was dreamed up by the Romans because they couldn't stomach worshiping a Jewish Messiah and God.
Your belief that the question was ignorant shows just how your church has purposefully kept you in the dark.
who decided this?
HisServant
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Archaeology, linguistics and science. Place names are not a matter of faith...therefore are not subject to interpretation.
how did you learn this?