The Called !
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What is about give a testimony of your conversion that gives you so much difficulty and causes you to squirm like a serpent.
beloved57
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Evasion and Rabbit trail ! If you dont care to debate the points I made in this thread, then just stay away !
As I said this is my annual request for you to give a testimony of salvation. You don't have one.
see you next year.
lifeisgood
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When you answer Tambora's question:
Do you tell your children when you put them to bed that God loves them?
Or
do you tell them that they might be ones that were born only so God could send them to hell and there isn't a darn thing they can do about it?
You will know that what is predestined is NOT people.
What is PREDESTINED is God's plan.
lifeisgood
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lifeisgood
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You will never receive an answer to this.
I've asked others.
Still waiting for their answer on how they know they are chosen and someone else is not.
Nanja
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beloved57
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Im not here to discuss me, do you want to discuss any of the post topics here in this thread ? Yes or No ?
beloved57
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The Call of Salvation !
There's a Call of God associated with or accompanies Salvation, its particular to the Chosen of God. Paul writes about it in at least a couple places in his epistles, the first we will notice is in 1 Cor 1:9,18-24, 26,28
9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23 but we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 24 but unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble,are called: 27 but God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 and base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
This call in vs 24 comes to the specifically called with power, as in this Call Christ is not only the wisdom of God, but also the Power of God, for Christ's Power in the Person of the Holy Spirit is active in this call, to them that are called and chosen Vs 27-28. The word chosen in Vs 27-28 is the same word found in Eph 1:4
4 according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
This choosing is an deliberate act of God with Salvation as His end for the called.
There's a Call of God associated with or accompanies Salvation, its particular to the Chosen of God. Paul writes about it in at least a couple places in his epistles, the first we will notice is in 1 Cor 1:9,18-24, 26,28
9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23 but we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 24 but unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble,are called: 27 but God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 and base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
This call in vs 24 comes to the specifically called with power, as in this Call Christ is not only the wisdom of God, but also the Power of God, for Christ's Power in the Person of the Holy Spirit is active in this call, to them that are called and chosen Vs 27-28. The word chosen in Vs 27-28 is the same word found in Eph 1:4
4 according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
This choosing is an deliberate act of God with Salvation as His end for the called.
Nanja
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This is so True, because those that were Chosen of God in Christ Jesus by the Father according to His Eternal Purpose Eph. 1:4-11; 3:11, and Called to Salvation are the same ones that were Called to be Saints, Sanctified in Christ Jesus 1 Cor. 1:2 from Everlasting Jer. 1:5 by their Surety's Offering of Himself on their behalf Heb. 10:9-10 !
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beloved57
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beloved57
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The Call of Salvation !2
The second place Paul writes in about a call associated with Salvation is 2 Thess 2:13-14
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
This calling which is the call of the Gospel through the Apostles vs 14 is preceded by the Sanctifying Work of the Spirit vs 13, so this clearly indicates a Gospel call to them that have been Spiritually set apart by God the Holy Spirit, and this call is unto Salvation and belief of the Truth. This call is not to the Spiritually unsanctified portion of mankind.
The second place Paul writes in about a call associated with Salvation is 2 Thess 2:13-14
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
This calling which is the call of the Gospel through the Apostles vs 14 is preceded by the Sanctifying Work of the Spirit vs 13, so this clearly indicates a Gospel call to them that have been Spiritually set apart by God the Holy Spirit, and this call is unto Salvation and belief of the Truth. This call is not to the Spiritually unsanctified portion of mankind.
God's Truth
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He knows because he believes John Calvin. lol
Nanja
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True, that's the non-elect portion, which were not chosen to Salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the Truth, so the Truth is deliberately hid from them 2 Cor. 4:3 because they are not chosen beneficiaries of the Covenant of Grace as those spoken of in Ps. 89:3, 28.
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beloved57
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beloved57
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The Called and Saved are the same !
The Gospel call doesnt go out to them that are lost and dead in sin. This is because they that are lost are blinded by the god of this world, satan, so that they believe not, hence the result is the Gospel is being hid from them by the Judgment of God 2 Cor 4:3-4
3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Now scripture teaches that there is a Call to the saved, so that " them that are called " and " them that are saved" are the same ones. This is seen in the context of 1 Cor 1:18-24
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23 but we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 24 but unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
In Vs 18 the Gospel is the Power of God unto us which are saved, or being saved as the greek would have it, because saved here is a present tense participle passive/middle, because conversion is taking place.
The preaching of the cross /gospel it is the Power of God [Rom 1:16], and later in Vs 23-24, the preaching of the cross is "unto them which are called" Christ the Power of God and Wisdom of God. The saved in Vs 18 and the Called in Vs 24 are the exact same ones, and its to them of which the preaching of Gospel is the Converting Power of God !
The Gospel call doesnt go out to them that are lost and dead in sin. This is because they that are lost are blinded by the god of this world, satan, so that they believe not, hence the result is the Gospel is being hid from them by the Judgment of God 2 Cor 4:3-4
3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Now scripture teaches that there is a Call to the saved, so that " them that are called " and " them that are saved" are the same ones. This is seen in the context of 1 Cor 1:18-24
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23 but we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 24 but unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
In Vs 18 the Gospel is the Power of God unto us which are saved, or being saved as the greek would have it, because saved here is a present tense participle passive/middle, because conversion is taking place.
The preaching of the cross /gospel it is the Power of God [Rom 1:16], and later in Vs 23-24, the preaching of the cross is "unto them which are called" Christ the Power of God and Wisdom of God. The saved in Vs 18 and the Called in Vs 24 are the exact same ones, and its to them of which the preaching of Gospel is the Converting Power of God !
beloved57
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Who receives the Call of the Gospel?
Folks, all without exception are called by the Gospel. No, only some people are. Paul indicates that in 1Cor 1 when he writes of the called 1Cor 1:24
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
In the original its them the called, with the definite article before Called, which denotes a definite people being called.
The Gospel call is to the quickened elect or chosen of God; or them who have been spiritually set apart by the Holy Spirit, as described in 2 Thessalonians 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Who was called by the Apostles Gospel here? Why those he just said were , the chosen beloved of the Lord,and them to be sanctified by the Spirit. The Gospel call is not to the lost unregenerated soul, non elect.
Folks, all without exception are called by the Gospel. No, only some people are. Paul indicates that in 1Cor 1 when he writes of the called 1Cor 1:24
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
In the original its them the called, with the definite article before Called, which denotes a definite people being called.
The Gospel call is to the quickened elect or chosen of God; or them who have been spiritually set apart by the Holy Spirit, as described in 2 Thessalonians 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Who was called by the Apostles Gospel here? Why those he just said were , the chosen beloved of the Lord,and them to be sanctified by the Spirit. The Gospel call is not to the lost unregenerated soul, non elect.
Nanja
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The non elect are locked out of the Gospel call because the Truth shall remain hidden from them who are permanently lost and blinded by satan 2 Cor. 4:3-4.
But Faith / Believing the True Gospel of God's Electing Grace, is a fruit of the Spirit given in the New Birth, Gal. 5:22, and bears evidence of being Chosen of God and in a Saved state.
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