The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

beloved57

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Causes to Live by Faith and why ?

To live by Faith is the same as belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

That word belief is actually the noun Faith, the greek word pistis which is translated faith 239 xs in NT !

Now Faith or belief of the Truth [Salvation] is the result and effect of The Sanctification of the Spirit, which is the result or effect of the Death and or Offering of Christ Heb 10:10

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

The writer states as a fact, that them who are now believers, had been sanctified by the offering of the body of Christ, which simply means His death also see Heb 2:9 ! This must mean all for whom He tasted death for Heb 2:9

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

By that death, or offering of His Body for them, they have been sanctified by it. Now the word sanctified in Heb 10:10 is the greek word hagiazō and means:

I.
to render or acknowledge, or to be venerable or hallow

II.
to separate from profane things and dedicate to God
A.
consecrate things to God

B.
dedicate people to God


III.
to purify
A.
to cleanse externally

B.
to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin

C.
to purify internally by renewing of the soul +++++

This above definition is often neglected, overlooked and even denied, and that is, all for whom Christ died, it effects in them, a purification internally, a renewing of the soul, that which Paul refers to here Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

This and 2 Thess 2:13 The Sanctification of the Spirit are the exact same thing !

This again is the direct result of the Offering of the Body of Christ Heb 10:10 which is another way of saying His Death or His Blood !

This purification internally results in the belief of the Truth or Faith ! That word sanctified in Heb 10:10 is also in the perfect tense which tense means:

The perfect tense in Greek corresponds to the perfect tense in English, and describes an action which is viewed as having been completed in the past, once and for all, not needing to be repeated.

Jesus' last cry from the cross, TETELESTAI ("It is finished!") is a good example of the perfect tense used in this sense, namely "It [the atonement] has been accomplished, completely, once and for all time."

The basic thought of the perfect tense is that the progress of an action has been completed and the results of the action are continuing on, in full effect. In other words, the progress of the action has reached its culmination and the finished results are now in existence. Unlike the English perfect, which indicates a completed past action, the Greek perfect tense indicates the continuation and present state of a completed past action.
http://www.ntgreek.org/learn_nt_greek/verbs1.htm

So the Truth is this, all for whom Christ died are by it Sanctified and will as a result of it be experiencing spiritual blessings that evidence it, simply based upon the Death of Christ and its meritorious virtue !

Now all this means without a shadow of doubt if we understand God's Truth, that Sanctification of the Spirit resulting in belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13 is the Blessed Effects of Christ's Offering or Death Heb 10:10, in fact if 2 Thess 2:13 does not happen for every one Christ died for, then Heb 10:10 is not true !
 
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beloved57

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Causes to Live by Faith and why ? 2

Heb 10:10

10 By the which will[will of God] we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

The Sanctification here spoken of as a result of the offering of Christ or Death, same thing, its according to the will of God

It guarantees, makes certain or sure that the following happens unto each one Christ died for Heb 10:16-18

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

This happens for sure #1 God will put His Laws into their hearts ! These are Spiritual Laws, #2 He will put them in their Minds !

That reverses what is said here Rom 8:7

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

By this He gives them a True Saving Knowledge of God and Christ Jn 17:3

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

#3 It makes certain their remission of sins and Gods non remembrance of them no more !

They shall receive a Knowledge of the same Lk 1:77

77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins

Which was accomplished by the Offering of the Body of Christ or His Death Heb 10:10 !

The Covenant Death of Christ effects all these things, as to confirm what Paul writes here Rom 8:32

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

How can God have given us Christ without also giving us Faith to live by Him by ! As it is written, The Just shall live by Faith Rom 1:17 !
 
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beloved57

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It makes us dead to the Law and sin !

All for whom Christ died, by that death alone , have been made dead to the Law and sin ! Rom 7:4

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Now some may say that Paul here is referring to believers, and that is absolutely correct, he is speaking to believers because the Truth of what he is stating can only be true of believers, however it was just as true of believers before they became believers, for the Truth of the matter[being dead to the law] had nothing to do with their believing, except it was the foundation upon why they do and must believe.

Unbelievers whom Christ died for are dead to the Law as to its condemning power, for it cannot condemn them, and neither can sin be charged to them. All this is True, not because they believed, or repented, but because Christ has died for their sins against God's Law and Justice, they are 100% acquitted, and so they are dead to the Law, by the Body of Christ, which is to say His Death for them !
 
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beloved57

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It makes us dead to the Law and sin ! 2

Because of the accomplishment of the Body of Christ, that is to say His Death, all for whom who died, before they believe, repent, or obey in any capacity, and even while they are born sinners, disobedient,children of wrath by nature as others Eph 2:3, alientated from the life of God, and enemies in their minds by wicked works Col 1:21,notwithstanding , they are born in this world Dead to the Law of God ! How ? BY THE BODY OF CHRIST ! This is not my opinion, but tru biblical fact Rom 7:4

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Now, God had a purpose for that. It was, so that they who are now dead to the Law of God, by Christ's death, it was in order that, or that it may result to the purpose of being married to another, which is Christ ! See before one can be Married to Christ conjugally and Lawfully, their legal husband must be dead, which in this case is the Law of God.

That word married in the original ginomai means:

I come into being, am born, become, come about, happen.

This is the New Birth language, being born again, to come into being, and thats how we become Married to Christ experimentally, by the New Birth, and thats the end result of being dead to the Law by the Body of Christ. Christ's death destroyed the condemning relationship that God's People had under the Law, so that they can legally start a New Fresh Life with their Husband Christ, a Life of Love and Fellowship. Thats why Paul wrote to the Corinthians 1 Cor 1:9

9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

Thats the intimacy of the Marriage Relationship, Fellowship ! Its the greek word koinónia:

(lit: partnership) (a) contributory help, participation, (b) sharing in, communion, (c) spiritual fellowship, a fellowship in the spirit.

Thats what Marriage is, a Partnership !

Now, with this in Mind, its a must that everyone Christ died for comes into this Partnership with Christ experimentally, if not, it overthrows the purpose of God and the designed end result for Christ having died for them and ending their relationship with the Law ! And this can never be !
 
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Nanja

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Because of the accomplishment of the Body of Christ, that is to say His Death, all for whom who died, before they believe, repent, or obey in any capacity, and even while they are born sinners, disobedient,children of wrath by nature as others Eph 2:3, alientated from the life of God, and enemies in their minds by wicked works Col 1:21,notwithstanding , they are born in this world Dead to the Law of God ! How ? BY THE BODY OF CHRIST ! This is not my opinion, but tru biblical fact Rom 7:4

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Now, God had a purpose for that. It was, so that they who are now dead to the Law of God, by Christ's death, it was in order that, or that it may result to the purpose of being married to another, which is Christ ! See before one can be Married to Christ conjugally and Lawfully, their legal husband must be dead, which in this case is the Law of God.

That word married in the original ginomai means:

I come into being, am born, become, come about, happen.

This is the New Birth language, being born again, to come into being, and thats how we become Married to Christ experimentally, by the New Birth, and thats the end result of being dead to the Law by the Body of Christ. Christ's death destroyed the condemning relationship that God's People had under the Law, so that they can legally start a New Fresh Life with their Husband Christ, a Life of Love and Fellowship. Thats why Paul wrote to the Corinthians 1 Cor 1:9

9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

Thats the intimacy of the Marriage Relationship, Fellowship ! Its the greek word koinónia:

(lit: partnership) (a) contributory help, participation, (b) sharing in, communion, (c) spiritual fellowship, a fellowship in the spirit.

Thats what Marriage is, a Partnership !

Now, with this in Mind, its a must that everyone Christ died for comes into this Partnership with Christ experimentally, if not, it overthrows the purpose of God and the designed end result for Christ having died for them and ending their relationship with the Law ! And this can never be !


Amen! Those for whom Christ died never had any sin imputed to them,
for they were charged to Him instead Is. 53:5 KJV. And because they are
dead to the Law by the Body of Christ Rom. 7:4 KJV, sin cannot be imputed
where there is no law Rom. 5:13 KJV. So being married to Christ, His Righteousness
is imputed to them by reason of their Marriage Union with Him Eph. 1:4 KJV.

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beloved57

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Amen! Those for whom Christ died never had any sin imputed to them,
for they were charged to Him instead Is. 53:5 KJV. And because they are
dead to the Law by the Body of Christ Rom. 7:4 KJV, sin cannot be imputed
where there is no law Rom. 5:13 KJV. So being married to Christ, His Righteousness
is imputed to them by reason of their Marriage Union with Him Eph. 1:4 KJV.

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Rom 5:13 is a very good verse in the matter of non imputation !

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beloved57

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Ensures Spiritual Blessing to Seed of Abraham !

Ensures Spiritual Blessing to Seed of Abraham !

Understand this, Christ's death on the Cross was to ensure the Spiritual Blessings Eph 1:3-4 upon Abraham's Seed amongst the Gentiles Gal 3:13-15

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Now notice, the Gentiles were to partake of the Blessings of Abraham, receive of the Spirit, according to God's Covenant to Abraham Gal 3:14,16,17 !

His death therefore in fact ensures us that He redeemed from the curse of the Law Vs 13 [both jew and gentile] by the Body of Christ or His Death, ensures that all should be Married to Another Rom 7:4, even to Him that was raised from the dead. Now all for whom by His death have been redeemed from the curse of the Law, do receive the Promise of the Spirit, which makes manifest that they are of Abraham's Seed, and the Spirit communicates in them all needed Spiritual Blessings to do the Will of God as Per Heb 13:20-21

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ[by His Spirit]; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
 

beloved57

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Delivered first, then serve !

Delivered first, then serve !

Lk 1:74

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

This is yet an accomplishment of the death of Christ for all whom He died, jew and or Gentile, that by His death alone they are delivered from all their spiritual enemies, that they may serve God !

That word delivered in Vs 74 is the greek word rhyomai and means:

I.
to draw to one's self, to rescue, to deliver

II.
the deliverer

It also means to be saved "[that] without fear out of [the] hand of our enemies having been saved to serve him"




When Christ's says that He will draw all to Himself in Jn 12:32

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Then He is saying that because of His Death or being lifted up, He will rescue / deliver/ save all men to Himself. To serve Him !

So to be drawn by Christ is to be delivered , rescued, saved from all enemies, especially spiritual enemies, such as spiritual death and unbelief, and the devil, and the flesh, all the enemies of the soul that prevent one from serving God in Faith, in Holiness and Righteousness all the days of their lives !

Its the same word and the same thing Paul writes of here to the Colossian Church Col 1:13

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

You see, that's an spiritual enemy, the power of darkness ! We must be rescued from that Power before we can serve. The word serve in Lk 1:74

is the greek word latreuō:

I.
to serve for hire

II.
to serve, minister to, either to the gods or men and used alike of slaves and freemen
A.
in the NT, to render religious service or homage, to worship

B.
to perform sacred services, to offer gifts, to worship God in the observance of the rites instituted for his worship
i.
of priests, to officiate, to discharge the sacred office

We are by Christ's delivering death, enabled to serve and worship God as described here Jn 4:23-24

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

After being delivered, then we offer up spiritual sacrifices unto God through Jesus Christ 1 Pet 2:5

5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

By His death alone we are made Sovereignly Priests unto Our God, for thats how we offer spiritual sacrices, again 1 Pet 2:5

5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

We became this not by our will, but by the Blood of Christ, which says so here Rev 1:5-6

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

But before we can serve as such, we must first be delivered/rescued from our enemies Lk 1:74

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

False religion says their freewill delivered them to first serve God, then God saves them, they put duty before deliverance, whereas deliverance is before duty ! We do duty not to get delivered, but because we are delivered we do duty, such as Faith and Repentance !


Gal 1:4-5

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver/rescue us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Another spiritual enemies, the world ! Paul says by Christ giving His Life for Our sins, it was for the Purpose of effecting deliverance, according tothe Will of God !

In fact, Paul here is saying the very same thing Zacharias stated here Lk 1:74

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

The world is our enemie James 4:4

4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

And guess what ? We are all by nature, in friendship with the world, we cannot help but be Eph 2:2-3

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Thank God that through Jesus Christ, all for whom He died have been delivered from the world, to serve God in Holiness and Righteousness all the days of their Life !
 

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Trumpetfolker

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The Biblical history of sin is interesting. I see it beginning like this:
God gave dominion over earth to Adam. Dominion is the power to maintain peace by issuing ordinances and judging trespassers. Adam had this dominion at a time when the only other person was Eve.
Twist One
When the serpent decided to insinuate his own will into the future of humanity, it was to gain influence over the dominion exercised by Adam which, otherwise, was completely guided by the Lord. In order to separate Adam from God, the serpent, literally, brought false charges against the Lord. The serpent told Eve that the Lord had not been truthful when the Lord said that, in the day humans ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they would die.
Twist Two
I believe that eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is taking vengeance (which belongs to God). When you judge a person as evil, you stop giving them chances to hurt you. You treat the person you judge as evil differently from the way you treat the person you judge as good. When the serpent had finished his crafty work, Adam and Eve had taken vengeance on God for committing a crime the real perpetrator of which was, actually, the serpent.
Only then did they realize how vengeance really worked. That was the subtle effect of eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil: they realized how vulnerable they were to revenge. Having treated God as a criminal, Adam and Eve had to figure out a way to keep a God they couldn't control from killing them. Since they couldn't put God in jail, they decided to hide from Him. By trying to hide from God, Adam and Eve cut themselves off from the tree of life as described in Proverbs.
Pro. 15:4 A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit.
By cutting themselves off from God, Adam and Eve had cut themselves off from the most wholesome tongue that could ever be found - the very tree of life.
They died that day. However, the residual effect of the closeness they had enjoyed with God kept their bodies alive - and, for a very long time.

By bearing false witness against the Lord, the serpent got the man and the woman to cut themselves off from life. Thus, he was, truly, a murderer from the beginning. The serpent - him who had the power of death - became the god of the age that rules by the threat of death.
 

beloved57

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The Biblical history of sin is interesting. I see it beginning like this:
God gave dominion over earth to Adam. Dominion is the power to maintain peace by issuing ordinances and judging trespassers. Adam had this dominion at a time when the only other person was Eve.

Post 488, did you understand the points made ?
 

Trumpetfolker

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@ beloved 57
Lev 16:15-19 Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat: And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remaineth among them in the midst of their uncleanness. And there shall be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation when he goeth in to make an atonement in the holy place, until he come out, and have made an atonement for himself, and for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel. And he shall go out unto the altar that is before the LORD, and make an atonement for it; and shall take of the blood of the bullock, and of the blood of the goat, and put it upon the horns of the altar round about. And he shall sprinkle of the blood upon it with his finger seven times, and cleanse it, and hallow it from the uncleanness of the children of Israel.
20-22 And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat: And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.
 

Trumpetfolker

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Remedial. Any who have been taught of the Lord for very long learned these things from Him. Anyone who disagrees has not been long drawn by God to the Word which is the Son.
 

beloved57

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Raised because of our Justification !

Raised because of our Justification !

If Christ's death alone did not fully Justify from all sin and guilt and penalty, all for whom He died, all for whom sins that had been laid to His charge, had they not been really and truly vindicated, then He himself could not have been risen from the dead, and He and they He died for would be still in their sins, the point of 1 Cor 15:17

17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

Meaning their sins must still be charged against them against God's Law and Justice !

If Christ had not risen, not only us, but He also would have perished for our sins, again Paul's point of 1 Cor 15:12-18 !

But in that He was indeed raised, it means that that He and all those whose sins which had been charged to Him, have been Justified, Vindicated from all sin, and this fact is what is caused to be received from the Gospel revelation to them 1 Cor 15:3-4;Rom 1:16-17 !

Now if Christ Christ was freed from our sins imputed to Him, MUCH MORE, were all those freed from sin for whom He died Rom 6:7

7 For he that is dead[with Christ] is freed from sin.

The word freed here is the greek word dikaioō:

I.
to render righteous or such he ought to be

II.
to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered

III.
to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

This is really saying, those who Christ died for, so they died in Him, when He died, consequently they are Justified from all sin, they are declared Righteous !

As Long as Christ raised from the dead, all for whom He died are declared Righteous before God, and freed from all sin believer or not, the condition is simply Christ having died for them !
 

beloved57

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As living stones !

As living stones !

1 Pet 2:5

5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

All for whom Christ died, He as a Living Stone Vs 4

4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,

He makes all for whom He died, and whom He is the Head of, He makes them Living stones, for He gives them [His Body] Life 1 Cor 15:45

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam[The Living Stone of 1 Pet 2:4] was made a quickening spirit.

That word quickening means to give life, so He becomes a Life giving Spirit. Now by this they become experimentally meet for building material to build His Church Matt 16:18

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Zech 6:12-13

And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

Building a Spiritual House 1 Pet 2:5

5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Christ building His Church/Temple also as seen fufills prophecy Zech 6:12-13, now to do this He must make them alive, make them Living stones, this He does by quickening them to Life 1 Cor 15:45.

Now notice, the Believer is coming to Christ 1 Pet 2:4 as in being drawn to Him the Living stone, so their coming to Him are as Living stones 1 Pet 2:4-5

4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,

5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Their coming to Christ as Lively stones is to be built up into a Spiritual House ! The important point here is that they had to be first made Living stones to come to the Living Stone, for He does not use dead material !

The word for coming in Vs 4 is the greek word proserchomai and means:

I.
to come to, approach

II.
draw near to

III.
to assent to

It also means :

to attach oneself to Christ, to come to a participation in the benefits procured by him.

To assent means:

to agree or concur; subscribe to , acquiescence; compliance.

Thats actually what confessing is, to agree or to say the same thing ,I.to say the same thing as another, i.e. to agree with, assent

All this has been accomplished and effected by the Death of Christ !
 
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